School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It breaks my heart to see the videos he made when he was just a sweet kid. I wonder if he might have not turned into homicidal scum if he had had better parenting.

He was no longer a sweet kid, and anyone worth a damn better drop that narrative. He hadn't been a sweet kid in years. His parents should have helped him, instead of handing him a gun. Help means seeking out options re: therapy. Clearly these parents needed therapy themselves. Violence is NEVER the answer.

So kids with a mental illness can't be sweet kids? He was very sick. He was crying out for help and his parents left him at school. The school sent him back to class. Awful.

Oh so now he has a “mental illness?” How the hell fo you know that? The kid was rotten to the core ad are the parents

"The thoughts won't stop, help me" Yeah, mental illness.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^She did not say they refused, she said they resisted.
Does not matter.

Why would you leave the safety of everyone else in the school in the hands of parents of the disturbed kid? What are the odds that they make great decisions?

The child gave every sign of wanting to kill himself. The school told the parent to get him help within TWO DAYS. He should have been shipped off to a hospital for psychiatric evaluation immediately.

Again, kids like these have often spent a lifetime with poor parents. Time for the professional to step in and over-ride their poor judgement.

This is NOT downplaying parents' culpability. It is saying that the school administration was responsible for protecting the other students and staff, not whatever semblance of a parent walks thru the door.

Oh wait - now you want to Baker Act the kid without the permission of the legal guardians or parents? The parents sat there, refused to do anything about their kid, resisted taking him home. They sure as hell weren't going to help section him after buying him a gun days before.

So disturbing. The school did all they could.

Why didn’t the school call police if they felt he was threat?

Because everyone is being threatened, directly or indirectly, with being sued - the police, the school, the administration, EVERY ONE. My God, these parents would not even take their own kid home. What does that tell you? That they are good parents with good intentions? Terrible parents with terrible kids want them to be everyone else's problem. Those parents learn that early and often. Unsuspecting parents be damned.

Ideally, CPS would have been called. This is a good time to call CPS - not some nosy neighbor BS, but some shoot up the school BS.

Be aware, people. Don't be paranoid and skittish, but be reasonably aware. Know who the problems are in your children's school. Not a vendetta against the mom you don't like - but the actual problems. The mom/dad that is preoccupied with PR, that has the kid that the other kids are complaining about? THEY is the problem.

So the school didn’t call the police against threats to their student body bc they were afraid they would get sued?? Sorry, no. That is saying the school put its own interests above the safety of students. You call the police if you are that principal. This was not a kid that should have been sent back to class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“It goes to the culture and climate of the school.” says Ralph Godbee, former Chief of the Detroit School Police. “The [Oxford Community Schools] administration fell asleep at the wheel. There’s no other way to put it.”

At about 6 minutes in, the county prosecutor exposes herself to be a political hack railroading the parents. The parents failed to inspect his backpack? No, the school failed to inspect his backpack. The parents are certainly at fault, but so is the high school. And the school district is going to be sued probably as early as next week, likely class action.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It breaks my heart to see the videos he made when he was just a sweet kid. I wonder if he might have not turned into homicidal scum if he had had better parenting.

He was no longer a sweet kid, and anyone worth a damn better drop that narrative. He hadn't been a sweet kid in years. His parents should have helped him, instead of handing him a gun. Help means seeking out options re: therapy. Clearly these parents needed therapy themselves. Violence is NEVER the answer.

So kids with a mental illness can't be sweet kids? He was very sick. He was crying out for help and his parents left him at school. The school sent him back to class. Awful.

Did I say that? No. I am saying however that kids who murder other kids are no longer sweet kids.

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Kids who physically hurt/assault or murder other kids are no longer good kids.

[Anonymous]

According to students, this didn't just start this week, this kid has been allegedly doing mentally unstable things for weeks and months. Maybe the prosecutor will look the other way, but without a doubt the ambulance chasing lawyers are licking their chops for discovery and depositions.

[Anonymous]

The school told the parents they had 48 hours to get the shooter professional help.

The parents refused to take their own child home (because that would be admitting their failures).

The parents bought and gave their child with major probkems a gun.

The parents also encouraged the shooters behaviors (“just don’t get caught”.

On and on.

Give it a rest with blaming the school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“It goes to the culture and climate of the school.” says Ralph Godbee, former Chief of the Detroit School Police. “The [Oxford Community Schools] administration fell asleep at the wheel. There’s no other way to put it.”

At about 6 minutes in, the county prosecutor exposes herself to be a political hack railroading the parents. The parents failed to inspect his backpack? No, the school failed to inspect his backpack. The parents are certainly at fault, but so is the high school. And the school district is going to be sued probably as early as next week, likely class action.

I mean sure but the parents recently purchased him a gun that they apparently made no effort to ever lock up or take from him. They have every reason to believe that gun might be with him, the school did not know that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The school told the parents they had 48 hours to get the shooter professional help.

The parents refused to take their own child home (because that would be admitting their failures).

The parents bought and gave their child with major probkems a gun.

The parents also encouraged the shooters behaviors (“just don’t get caught”.

On and on.

Give it a rest with blaming the school.

Doesn’t matter if the parents refuse. The school should have called police then and there to remove him. You can’t excuse that. They LET him go back to class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^She did not say they refused, she said they resisted.
Does not matter.

Why would you leave the safety of everyone else in the school in the hands of parents of the disturbed kid? What are the odds that they make great decisions?

The child gave every sign of wanting to kill himself. The school told the parent to get him help within TWO DAYS. He should have been shipped off to a hospital for psychiatric evaluation immediately.

Again, kids like these have often spent a lifetime with poor parents. Time for the professional to step in and over-ride their poor judgement.

This is NOT downplaying parents' culpability. It is saying that the school administration was responsible for protecting the other students and staff, not whatever semblance of a parent walks thru the door.

Oh wait - now you want to Baker Act the kid without the permission of the legal guardians or parents? The parents sat there, refused to do anything about their kid, resisted taking him home. They sure as hell weren't going to help section him after buying him a gun days before.

So disturbing. The school did all they could.

Why didn’t the school call police if they felt he was threat?

Because everyone is being threatened, directly or indirectly, with being sued - the police, the school, the administration, EVERY ONE. My God, these parents would not even take their own kid home. What does that tell you? That they are good parents with good intentions? Terrible parents with terrible kids want them to be everyone else's problem. Those parents learn that early and often. Unsuspecting parents be damned.

Ideally, CPS would have been called. This is a good time to call CPS - not some nosy neighbor BS, but some shoot up the school BS.

Be aware, people. Don't be paranoid and skittish, but be reasonably aware. Know who the problems are in your children's school. Not a vendetta against the mom you don't like - but the actual problems. The mom/dad that is preoccupied with PR, that has the kid that the other kids are complaining about? THEY is the problem.

If you ask your middle and high school kids they can tell you who the likely shooters are! They totally know but you can’t go all Minority Report and expel them for that. But none of the kids are ever really surprised at who did it, just that they actually did do it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“It goes to the culture and climate of the school.” says Ralph Godbee, former Chief of the Detroit School Police. “The [Oxford Community Schools] administration fell asleep at the wheel. There’s no other way to put it.”

At about 6 minutes in, the county prosecutor exposes herself to be a political hack railroading the parents. The parents failed to inspect his backpack? No, the school failed to inspect his backpack. The parents are certainly at fault, but so is the high school. And the school district is going to be sued probably as early as next week, likely class action.

I mean sure but the parents recently purchased him a gun that they apparently made no effort to ever lock up or take from him. They have every reason to believe that gun might be with him, the school did not know that.

The school had plenty of reason to insist he leave school immediately, with parents or with a police escort. So you tell parents they need to take their kid home and have him get a psych eval within 48 hrs, parents say no. And the school just says, oh..ok, then we’ll send him back to geometry class I guess

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“It goes to the culture and climate of the school.” says Ralph Godbee, former Chief of the Detroit School Police. “The [Oxford Community Schools] administration fell asleep at the wheel. There’s no other way to put it.”

At about 6 minutes in, the county prosecutor exposes herself to be a political hack railroading the parents. The parents failed to inspect his backpack? No, the school failed to inspect his backpack. The parents are certainly at fault, but so is the high school. And the school district is going to be sued probably as early as next week, likely class action.

Political hack? You’ve lost your mind. No one has said or is saying the parents aren’t largely to blame for many failures and should absolutely have criminal responsibility. But that doesn’t excuse the schools lack of appropriate action. You could have and should have notified police and had him removed from school property if parents wouldn’t remove him

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“It goes to the culture and climate of the school.” says Ralph Godbee, former Chief of the Detroit School Police. “The [Oxford Community Schools] administration fell asleep at the wheel. There’s no other way to put it.”

At about 6 minutes in, the county prosecutor exposes herself to be a political hack railroading the parents. The parents failed to inspect his backpack? No, the school failed to inspect his backpack. The parents are certainly at fault, but so is the high school. And the school district is going to be sued probably as early as next week, likely class action.

That police chief says so at 7 min 20 sec: "The school administration to me, maybe not a criminal conclusion, but there's a hell of a lot of civil liability."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^She did not say they refused, she said they resisted.
Does not matter.

Why would you leave the safety of everyone else in the school in the hands of parents of the disturbed kid? What are the odds that they make great decisions?

The child gave every sign of wanting to kill himself. The school told the parent to get him help within TWO DAYS. He should have been shipped off to a hospital for psychiatric evaluation immediately.

Again, kids like these have often spent a lifetime with poor parents. Time for the professional to step in and over-ride their poor judgement.

This is NOT downplaying parents' culpability. It is saying that the school administration was responsible for protecting the other students and staff, not whatever semblance of a parent walks thru the door.

Oh wait - now you want to Baker Act the kid without the permission of the legal guardians or parents? The parents sat there, refused to do anything about their kid, resisted taking him home. They sure as hell weren't going to help section him after buying him a gun days before.

So disturbing. The school did all they could.

Why didn’t the school call police if they felt he was threat?

Because everyone is being threatened, directly or indirectly, with being sued - the police, the school, the administration, EVERY ONE. My God, these parents would not even take their own kid home. What does that tell you? That they are good parents with good intentions? Terrible parents with terrible kids want them to be everyone else's problem. Those parents learn that early and often. Unsuspecting parents be damned.

Ideally, CPS would have been called. This is a good time to call CPS - not some nosy neighbor BS, but some shoot up the school BS.

Be aware, people. Don't be paranoid and skittish, but be reasonably aware. Know who the problems are in your children's school. Not a vendetta against the mom you don't like - but the actual problems. The mom/dad that is preoccupied with PR, that has the kid that the other kids are complaining about? THEY is the problem.

If you ask your middle and high school kids they can tell you who the likely shooters are! They totally know but you can’t go all Minority Report and expel them for that. But none of the kids are ever really surprised at who did it, just that they actually did do it.

x100000

Absolutely! And the parents of the potential shooter kids think everyone else is stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The school told the parents they had 48 hours to get the shooter professional help.

The parents refused to take their own child home (because that would be admitting their failures).

The parents bought and gave their child with major probkems a gun.

The parents also encouraged the shooters behaviors (“just don’t get caught”.

On and on.

Give it a rest with blaming the school.

Doesn’t matter if the parents refuse. The school should have called police then and there to remove him. You can’t excuse that. They LET him go back to class.

That pales in comparison to the damage the parents caused, like it or not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The school told the parents they had 48 hours to get the shooter professional help.

The parents refused to take their own child home (because that would be admitting their failures).

The parents bought and gave their child with major probkems a gun.

The parents also encouraged the shooters behaviors (“just don’t get caught”.

On and on.

Give it a rest with blaming the school.

Doesn’t matter if the parents refuse. The school should have called police then and there to remove him. You can’t excuse that. They LET him go back to class.

That pales in comparison to the damage the parents caused, like it or not.

Yes. If the timeline the DA gave us accurate, these parents are absolutely criminally responsible for this. The school made mistakes too and there will be lots of lawsuits, but the parents are way beyond “mistake” territory.