School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow. These parents truly don’t want to take responsibility for anything do they. I’m sure they’ll somehow blame all this on “illegal immigrants” a la the mom’s crazy ranting blog post.

They are somehow the true victims here. /s

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Right? You expected nothing less?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These parents are the exact demographic of people who think mask and testing requirements in schools are tyranny. Yet their right to a gun is inalienable, and we're all expected to go about our lives knowing that every psychotic asshole like their kid might have a gun on them at all times.

Eff these people, I hope they rot in hell.

THIS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^She did not say they refused, she said they resisted.
Does not matter.

Why would you leave the safety of everyone else in the school in the hands of parents of the disturbed kid? What are the odds that they make great decisions?

The child gave every sign of wanting to kill himself. The school told the parent to get him help within TWO DAYS. He should have been shipped off to a hospital for psychiatric evaluation immediately.

Again, kids like these have often spent a lifetime with poor parents. Time for the professional to step in and over-ride their poor judgement.

This is NOT downplaying parents' culpability. It is saying that the school administration was responsible for protecting the other students and staff, not whatever semblance of a parent walks thru the door.

Oh wait - now you want to Baker Act the kid without the permission of the legal guardians or parents? The parents sat there, refused to do anything about their kid, resisted taking him home. They sure as hell weren't going to help section him after buying him a gun days before.

So disturbing. The school did all they could.

Since when does a school need a parents permission to suspend due to safety concern?

What happens when you suspend a kid? You call the parents and have them take him/her home. The parents were sitting right there and refusing to take their kid.

I hope the conversation was recorded - considering the mom's Trump rants I'm pretty sure she threatened the administration as well.

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Nailed it. Its all about the optics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Covid was amazing. No mass school shootings and parents were responsible for parenting their own damned kids. Now we've got school shooters back and their negligent parents just washing their hands of the entire thing and buying them guns because who cares?

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Yup. They don't want to deal with their own kids, yet somehow think the rest of the world has an obligation to them. GTFOH.

[Anonymous]

It breaks my heart to see the videos he made when he was just a sweet kid. I wonder if he might have not turned into homicidal scum if he had had better parenting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^She did not say they refused, she said they resisted.
Does not matter.

Why would you leave the safety of everyone else in the school in the hands of parents of the disturbed kid? What are the odds that they make great decisions?

The child gave every sign of wanting to kill himself. The school told the parent to get him help within TWO DAYS. He should have been shipped off to a hospital for psychiatric evaluation immediately.

Again, kids like these have often spent a lifetime with poor parents. Time for the professional to step in and over-ride their poor judgement.

This is NOT downplaying parents' culpability. It is saying that the school administration was responsible for protecting the other students and staff, not whatever semblance of a parent walks thru the door.

Oh wait - now you want to Baker Act the kid without the permission of the legal guardians or parents? The parents sat there, refused to do anything about their kid, resisted taking him home. They sure as hell weren't going to help section him after buying him a gun days before.

So disturbing. The school did all they could.

Why didn’t the school call police if they felt he was threat?

Because everyone is being threatened, directly or indirectly, with being sued - the police, the school, the administration, EVERY ONE. My God, these parents would not even take their own kid home. What does that tell you? That they are good parents with good intentions? Terrible parents with terrible kids want them to be everyone else's problem. Those parents learn that early and often. Unsuspecting parents be damned.

Ideally, CPS would have been called. This is a good time to call CPS - not some nosy neighbor BS, but some shoot up the school BS.

Be aware, people. Don't be paranoid and skittish, but be reasonably aware. Know who the problems are in your children's school. Not a vendetta against the mom you don't like - but the actual problems. The mom/dad that is preoccupied with PR, that has the kid that the other kids are complaining about? THEY is the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It breaks my heart to see the videos he made when he was just a sweet kid. I wonder if he might have not turned into homicidal scum if he had had better parenting.

He was no longer a sweet kid, and anyone worth a damn better drop that narrative. He hadn't been a sweet kid in years. His parents should have helped him, instead of handing him a gun. Help means seeking out options re: therapy. Clearly these parents needed therapy themselves. Violence is NEVER the answer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^^She did not say they refused, she said they resisted.
Does not matter.

Why would you leave the safety of everyone else in the school in the hands of parents of the disturbed kid? What are the odds that they make great decisions?

The child gave every sign of wanting to kill himself. The school told the parent to get him help within TWO DAYS. He should have been shipped off to a hospital for psychiatric evaluation immediately.

Again, kids like these have often spent a lifetime with poor parents. Time for the professional to step in and over-ride their poor judgement.

This is NOT downplaying parents' culpability. It is saying that the school administration was responsible for protecting the other students and staff, not whatever semblance of a parent walks thru the door.

Oh wait - now you want to Baker Act the kid without the permission of the legal guardians or parents? The parents sat there, refused to do anything about their kid, resisted taking him home. They sure as hell weren't going to help section him after buying him a gun days before.

So disturbing. The school did all they could.

Why didn’t the school call police if they felt he was threat?

Because everyone is being threatened, directly or indirectly, with being sued - the police, the school, the administration, EVERY ONE. My God, these parents would not even take their own kid home. What does that tell you? That they are good parents with good intentions? Terrible parents with terrible kids want them to be everyone else's problem. Those parents learn that early and often. Unsuspecting parents be damned.

Ideally, CPS would have been called. This is a good time to call CPS - not some nosy neighbor BS, but some shoot up the school BS.

Be aware, people. Don't be paranoid and skittish, but be reasonably aware. Know who the problems are in your children's school. Not a vendetta against the mom you don't like - but the actual problems. The mom/dad that is preoccupied with PR, that has the kid that the other kids are complaining about? THEY is the problem.

*are

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It breaks my heart to see the videos he made when he was just a sweet kid. I wonder if he might have not turned into homicidal scum if he had had better parenting.

He was no longer a sweet kid, and anyone worth a damn better drop that narrative. He hadn't been a sweet kid in years. His parents should have helped him, instead of handing him a gun. Help means seeking out options re: therapy. Clearly these parents needed therapy themselves. Violence is NEVER the answer.

I don’t know how old he was in the vlogs shown by the media but I’m guessing maybe 10? but he did seem like a sweet kid in those. Somehow he tuned beyond rotten and it is troublesome that this can happen with bad parenting. My point is that good kids can go really wrong. Nobody wants to believe this but it’s true. That’s why parenting is a serious responsibility

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They've arraigned the killer. He looks just like those creeps in Columbine. And the parents KNEW he was having disciplinary problems in school and still left that gun unattended in the household. Disgusting.

The “creeps” at Columbine who were ostracized and bullied by their classmates?


Gee, you think there *might* be something to this whole bullying thing?

It's completely false that they were ostracized and bullied. They had a group of friends. They were also frequently the bullies.

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Exactly. Except that the shooter's parents are using buzzwords to their advantage, and guess what their favorite buzzword is? Yup, calling everyone else a "bully" - so they don't have to look in the mirror and see what they really are, and what they really lack - parenting skills 101. I'm convinced they don't even care about their own kids, just their own image. If they cared about their kids, they would get them the help that they so obviously need. Anger management, if nothing else. My God.

You think the kids are bad, you should see the parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It breaks my heart to see the videos he made when he was just a sweet kid. I wonder if he might have not turned into homicidal scum if he had had better parenting.

He was no longer a sweet kid, and anyone worth a damn better drop that narrative. He hadn't been a sweet kid in years. His parents should have helped him, instead of handing him a gun. Help means seeking out options re: therapy. Clearly these parents needed therapy themselves. Violence is NEVER the answer.

I don’t know how old he was in the vlogs shown by the media but I’m guessing maybe 10? but he did seem like a sweet kid in those. Somehow he tuned beyond rotten and it is troublesome that this can happen with bad parenting. My point is that good kids can go really wrong. Nobody wants to believe this but it’s true. That’s why parenting is a serious responsibility

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Of course it is! But it is so much easier to blame the schools, in the bad parents' world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It breaks my heart to see the videos he made when he was just a sweet kid. I wonder if he might have not turned into homicidal scum if he had had better parenting.

He was no longer a sweet kid, and anyone worth a damn better drop that narrative. He hadn't been a sweet kid in years. His parents should have helped him, instead of handing him a gun. Help means seeking out options re: therapy. Clearly these parents needed therapy themselves. Violence is NEVER the answer.

So kids with a mental illness can't be sweet kids? He was very sick. He was crying out for help and his parents left him at school. The school sent him back to class. Awful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It breaks my heart to see the videos he made when he was just a sweet kid. I wonder if he might have not turned into homicidal scum if he had had better parenting.

He was no longer a sweet kid, and anyone worth a damn better drop that narrative. He hadn't been a sweet kid in years. His parents should have helped him, instead of handing him a gun. Help means seeking out options re: therapy. Clearly these parents needed therapy themselves. Violence is NEVER the answer.

So kids with a mental illness can't be sweet kids? He was very sick. He was crying out for help and his parents left him at school. The school sent him back to class. Awful.

Did I say that? No. I am saying however that kids who murder other kids are no longer sweet kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It breaks my heart to see the videos he made when he was just a sweet kid. I wonder if he might have not turned into homicidal scum if he had had better parenting.

He was no longer a sweet kid, and anyone worth a damn better drop that narrative. He hadn't been a sweet kid in years. His parents should have helped him, instead of handing him a gun. Help means seeking out options re: therapy. Clearly these parents needed therapy themselves. Violence is NEVER the answer.

So kids with a mental illness can't be sweet kids? He was very sick. He was crying out for help and his parents left him at school. The school sent him back to class. Awful.

Oh so now he has a “mental illness?” How the hell fo you know that? The kid was rotten to the core ad are the parents

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:10 bucks says the rightwing used this incident to blame public schools for this shooting. In essence, blaming the victims for the violence.

We are already seeing the seed of that messaging planted here: “bullying,” the school should’ve called police immediately, why didn’t they suspend him, etc.

Anything to absolve guns or irresponsible gun owners or the lunatic MAGA parents who are now on the run.

Just wait, it’s about to happen.

I was actually going to predict that this case will become the right wing's next cause célèbre. They'll say that it's prosecutorial overreach, and ordinary, good, God-fearing gun owners may all be at the mercy of a liberal zealot in the DA's office. Also, terrorism charges are for Muslims, not white Christians.

National Review is already starting to go there: https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/12/in-already-overcharged-michigan-h-s-shooting-parents-now-charged-with-manslaughter/

This is the “respectable” version of the argument that will give cover to the sociopaths who instinctively want to defend any white gun toting right winger at all costs.