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4 students in University of Idaho, killed in their home.
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Anonymous
You know what they say about therapists and their families.... |
Anonymous
I am not missing what is being said, this is a line from the "restorative justice" mantra confronting crime victims who then feel guilty because they were not sensitive to the offender's plight. And they, then, need to shoulder healing of not only themselves, but the offender. It is disgusting. |
Anonymous
Not this. As someone who helps victims I would never tell them what mantra to subscribe to - particularly this. |
Anonymous
| Vegan, drug addict, and a loner? |
Anonymous
How can you ignore the fact that moving your kid to a private school is a “solution” that is only available to the wealthy. There are many good parents who are poor and cannot consider that option. |
Anonymous
First off I am a female, but yes I had a psychopath (who was first my close friend and I looked up to due to his writing ability/IQ-won numerous contests) who later stalked me and he started sending threatening emails/phone calls. it got so bad I had to call his mom (who is a lovely lady) and both her and his dad told me they spent thousands of dollars on therapy and meds and basically he just was worse and worse. The psychiatrist called her himself and said "he is a sociopath" stay away from him. I grew up in Europe (where this took my place), and believe me i still am scared of seeing him. I personally think this guy choose the evil path because he wanted to, he is not crazy enough nor not smart enough to not know better.....it was his choice--and no one is at fault but HIM. |
Anonymous
Odd take on who should fell responsible. How do you know he wouldn’t have just murdered someone else in PA instead of Idaho? How about those who (knew him much better and) recommended him for admission. None of these people could have possibly foreseen this outcome. |
Anonymous
Furthermore I believe the whole "victim mentality" is further fueling violence in America--and needs to be stopped!!! Kids needs to be taught from an early age they HAVE limitations-not everyone can be a mathematician , not everyone can be a model and not everyone can date the pretty girl (or guy)...now this goes against the whole mantra of the new world--everyone can be who they want and date who they want... And yes--men (but also women) from an early age need to learn how to deal with rejection, with a no and learn social skills. |
Anonymous
Not sure what you mean by “a garden variety evil person.” That sounds like what people believed before we understood the effects of mental illness and trauma. |
Anonymous
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Anonymous
Such a valid observation! |
Anonymous
Private school is not the only option - if you had been through it, you would know. |
Anonymous
Correct. Which is why these feel good policies towards bullies needs to stop |
Anonymous
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This is all from memory and for anyone interested in a refocus. I’m not a true crime fan, but I was committed to the two most credible and fiercely moderated Reddits from day one of the Idaho murders. Anything posted prior to arrest had to indicate speculation or theory. There was no option to accuse anyone that MPD cleared without deletion. Moderators allowed the lambasting of psychics, trolls, and the “wine moms” Facebook group who were accused of being unhinged. I’m not on FB. That being said, here is a linear summary from the time of arrest.
For reference per MPD: Genetic genealogy- Bryan Kohberger's (BK) DNA matched to genetic material recovered at the victims house. It’s been confirmed that 113 pieces of genetic evidence was found at the crime scene. No motive or whether he knew the victims. The murder weapon hasn’t been found. Confirmed from press releases, there is Bluetooth evidence identifying the 2015 Elantra placing it at 1122 King/Queen road at the time of the murders. Note: auto manufacturers embedded Bluetooth technology as early as 2004. I believe it’s been standard in all vehicles for at least a decade or longer. Correct me if I’m wrong. For reference in my own words/memory from credible Reddit users in the two forums mentioned above: 1. Unanimous agreement that Chief Fry, MPD, FBI and other agencies did in fact withhold much of the discovery. They went as far as playing cat/mouse to throw the suspect off guard. Ex: they consistently stated the Elantra was a 2011-2013 model. It appears suspect continued using the Elantra (owned by mother) at the crime location, back to Pullman campus where he completed his semester, and back home to PA December for winter break accompanied by his father who flew in to accompany his son. 2. At some point a Reddit account was created with the user name: insidelooking. Another redditor repeatedly posted that the account was created on 11/22/22 and the address of the house is 1122. Of course, a clever troll could have created insidelooking. 3. insidelooking posted a survey on Reddit to gauge the experiences of former criminals by asking them deep emotional questions, i.e how did you feel before, during and after their crimes. “Specifically, this study seeks to understand the story of your most recent criminal offense, by focusing on your thoughts and feelings throughout your experience.” This was verified as an assignment from a DeSales’ Professor at the time BK was an undergrad/grad student at DeSales. Professor declined to comment. The university did not respond to requests for comment. 4. A connection was made at the time the above account was created. Another account with the user name: outisidelooking began posting. Note the oddly placed “i” Unsure if this account user was just observing before they began posting. 5. Prior to arrest, active redditors on these two credible forums engaged with both outsidelooking and insidelooking. 6. Both users of the above accounts had a similar writing style. Very factual, dry, confident, devoid of emotion. Some redditors asked if them if they were the same person. 7. Reddit sleuths easily checked the creation dates of both accounts and determined that insidelooking created and began posting after outisidelooking. They speculated that insidelooking deliberately created this account to banter with outisidelooking. 8. Redditors asked both account owners if they were the killer. Others outright said they were the killer. 9. According to redditors insidelooking stopped posting a few hours before the suspect was arrested in PA. 10. outisidelooking posted after the suspect was caught and emphatically cleared up that he was not the killer. 11. Very few things posted by insidelooking caused suspicion. The most glaring was his insistence that X and M were the targets. They also insisted that the “killer” entered and exited through the sliding door and left it open to escape. Less credible statements were the times the victims arrived home. He claimed X and E arrived home at 1:45 which was already public knowledge based on police pressers. 12. The most credible account after the suspect was arrested was a post by BKs middle school friend. Moderators verified this poster was legit because he provided his name, email address, other identifiers and his drivers license. 13. Middle school friend (MSF) was very forthcoming and answered all questions. MSF is on the spectrum and has GAD. He befriended BK in middle school and described BKs mother as very “sweet”. Note: MSF is 28 very successful, intelligent, and articulate. IIRC he is a PHD. 14. MSF confirmed that BK was bullied, awkward, had few friends, and anger outbursts. He verified that BK had one physical altercation in HS. He described ending his friendship with BK because he instigated a physical fight. MSK admitted to redditors that he lost that fight to BK and IIRC they were both temporarily suspended in MS. 15. MSF repeatedly stated that BK was on the spectrum and he knew this to be true because he himself was on the spectrum and they shared similar behaviors. More importantly, he ended most of his comments with “I believe BK has a significant mental illness” which led him to kill. |
Anonymous
I’m on the same sub reddits and this is overall a good summary but a couple of factual errors. BK’s verified Reddit account which was “criminologystudent” was the account that he posted the survey from and was connected to his school email address. The inside looking account is total speculation at this point but was not the account that posted the criminology survey. The professor he did the survey under now has commented now (ironically on the record to the Daily Mail) and said he was the most brilliant student and she has only ever recommended 2 people in her career to a PhD program and he was one of them. Also, MSF said that he thought BK might have been on the spectrum - this is not fact at all and the MSF made it clear that that was just his opinion. The affidavit has not been released so no one actually knows what official probable cause they have right now. The only thing they have publically stated is the Elantra was a 2015 and has been seized from the PA parents residence. CNN had an unofficial leak, allegedly from LE that stated there was DNA and Bluetooth evidence, but to my knowledge that has not been officially confirmed and we will not know for sure until affidavit is public. |