4 students in University of Idaho, killed in their home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My father tells everyone he is bipolar. Even takes meds. He is just a sociopath and pathological liar. I don't consider him mentally ill. Just evil. His therapist agrees. Personality disorders are very difficult to treat so "mentally ill" doesn't necessarily mean treatable.

You need to fine tune your lies, this is so blatantly false.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My father tells everyone he is bipolar. Even takes meds. He is just a sociopath and pathological liar. I don't consider him mentally ill. Just evil. His therapist agrees. Personality disorders are very difficult to treat so "mentally ill" doesn't necessarily mean treatable.

You need to fine tune your lies, this is so blatantly false.

Dad, is that you?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a therapist. Mental illness doesn't make someone a murderer. We don't like to talk about this because it goes against what our culture believes and espouses, but some people are just evil. Hitler wasn't mentally ill. He was just an evil person.

Mental illness doesn’t make someone a murder, but anyone that does a murder like that has to be mentally ill. Normal people don’t stab 4 strangers to death in their bed

Nope.

I think it's distressing for people to acknowledge that there are just really shitty, awful, vile people in this world and they're born this way. Most are men, but it has nothing to do with mental illness, being bullied, or being abused yourself. Some people are just born wanting to inflict harm on others with no f*cks given.

Something happened in his home, and his dad reportedly was similar to him. Hurt people hurt people - but not because of the bullying - something bad happened at home.

Something bad happens in millions of homes every day.

It is the "dismisser"! We have been waiting for you!

We know.

And clearly - what happened in the murderer's home did not help his situation, at all.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a therapist. Mental illness doesn't make someone a murderer. We don't like to talk about this because it goes against what our culture believes and espouses, but some people are just evil. Hitler wasn't mentally ill. He was just an evil person.

Mental illness doesn’t make someone a murder, but anyone that does a murder like that has to be mentally ill. Normal people don’t stab 4 strangers to death in their bed

Nope.

I think it's distressing for people to acknowledge that there are just really shitty, awful, vile people in this world and they're born this way. Most are men, but it has nothing to do with mental illness, being bullied, or being abused yourself. Some people are just born wanting to inflict harm on others with no f*cks given.

Something happened in his home, and his dad reportedly was similar to him. Hurt people hurt people - but not because of the bullying - something bad happened at home.

Why do you feel the need to justify what he did? bad thing happens to a lot of people and they don’t go around killing others.

Not saying that all people to whom bad things have happened kill people - just making observations, based on what I have read. You don't have to take it personally.

You are looking for an “explanation” of why he did it. He did it because he is evil.

That might be one component… it’s not that simple.

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Evil + upbringing = killer.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a therapist. Mental illness doesn't make someone a murderer. We don't like to talk about this because it goes against what our culture believes and espouses, but some people are just evil. Hitler wasn't mentally ill. He was just an evil person.

Mental illness doesn’t make someone a murder, but anyone that does a murder like that has to be mentally ill. Normal people don’t stab 4 strangers to death in their bed

Nope.

I think it's distressing for people to acknowledge that there are just really shitty, awful, vile people in this world and they're born this way. Most are men, but it has nothing to do with mental illness, being bullied, or being abused yourself. Some people are just born wanting to inflict harm on others with no f*cks given.

Something happened in his home, and his dad reportedly was similar to him. Hurt people hurt people - but not because of the bullying - something bad happened at home.

As a crime victim and someone whose job is representing crime victims, please never use the "hurt people hurt people" line to anyone. You know what, plenty of hurt people never hurt people. This sociopath deserves no sympathy, and we should never make crime victims apologize for wanting punishment - and nothing more - for the offenders. Yuck.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a therapist. Mental illness doesn't make someone a murderer. We don't like to talk about this because it goes against what our culture believes and espouses, but some people are just evil. Hitler wasn't mentally ill. He was just an evil person.

Mental illness doesn’t make someone a murder, but anyone that does a murder like that has to be mentally ill. Normal people don’t stab 4 strangers to death in their bed

Nope.

I think it's distressing for people to acknowledge that there are just really shitty, awful, vile people in this world and they're born this way. Most are men, but it has nothing to do with mental illness, being bullied, or being abused yourself. Some people are just born wanting to inflict harm on others with no f*cks given.

Something happened in his home, and his dad reportedly was similar to him. Hurt people hurt people - but not because of the bullying - something bad happened at home.

As a crime victim and someone whose job is representing crime victims, please never use the "hurt people hurt people" line to anyone. You know what, plenty of hurt people never hurt people. This sociopath deserves no sympathy, and we should never make crime victims apologize for wanting punishment - and nothing more - for the offenders. Yuck.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a therapist. Mental illness doesn't make someone a murderer. We don't like to talk about this because it goes against what our culture believes and espouses, but some people are just evil. Hitler wasn't mentally ill. He was just an evil person.

Mental illness doesn’t make someone a murder, but anyone that does a murder like that has to be mentally ill. Normal people don’t stab 4 strangers to death in their bed

Nope.

I think it's distressing for people to acknowledge that there are just really shitty, awful, vile people in this world and they're born this way. Most are men, but it has nothing to do with mental illness, being bullied, or being abused yourself. Some people are just born wanting to inflict harm on others with no f*cks given.

Something happened in his home, and his dad reportedly was similar to him. Hurt people hurt people - but not because of the bullying - something bad happened at home.

As a crime victim and someone whose job is representing crime victims, please never use the "hurt people hurt people" line to anyone. You know what, plenty of hurt people never hurt people. This sociopath deserves no sympathy, and we should never make crime victims apologize for wanting punishment - and nothing more - for the offenders. Yuck.

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I don't get why DCUM thinks psychopaths had trauma happen to them...this is not true--some did and some didnt.

I mean this thread even more than any one before tells me the DC area is really unable to use any common sense...DCUM/ they will try to even blame others for the acts of a lunatic who chooses to kill and torture...I mean I really need to move!

PS I dont know if they got the right guy, however if it is this guy his sisters seem lovely ladies trying to help others by being therapists...his mom and dad are described as nice....this guy was smart enough to know he wasnt good at casual talk..I mean he could of went online dating and or gotten a therapist...and no one would have ridiculed him--so if he did this it was HIS CHOICE....he had plenty of normal options...

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a therapist. Mental illness doesn't make someone a murderer. We don't like to talk about this because it goes against what our culture believes and espouses, but some people are just evil. Hitler wasn't mentally ill. He was just an evil person.

Mental illness doesn’t make someone a murder, but anyone that does a murder like that has to be mentally ill. Normal people don’t stab 4 strangers to death in their bed

Nope.

I think it's distressing for people to acknowledge that there are just really shitty, awful, vile people in this world and they're born this way. Most are men, but it has nothing to do with mental illness, being bullied, or being abused yourself. Some people are just born wanting to inflict harm on others with no f*cks given.

Something happened in his home, and his dad reportedly was similar to him. Hurt people hurt people - but not because of the bullying - something bad happened at home.

Something bad happens in millions of homes every day.

And those are the homes that create monsters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a therapist. Mental illness doesn't make someone a murderer. We don't like to talk about this because it goes against what our culture believes and espouses, but some people are just evil. Hitler wasn't mentally ill. He was just an evil person.

Mental illness doesn’t make someone a murder, but anyone that does a murder like that has to be mentally ill. Normal people don’t stab 4 strangers to death in their bed

Nope.

I think it's distressing for people to acknowledge that there are just really shitty, awful, vile people in this world and they're born this way. Most are men, but it has nothing to do with mental illness, being bullied, or being abused yourself. Some people are just born wanting to inflict harm on others with no f*cks given.

How can we hold them responsible then if they were simply born this way. You present it as a life long condition - they had no choice other than to be who they are. Just born to be a person who hurts others. We can't hold people responsible for who they were when they were born.

I disagree. When you work backwards, you often see a pattern and a sequence of sitautiond that describe why they are they way they are.

This is pretty foolish.

Even if he was “born” evil, what he’s being held responsible for are his (alleged) ACTIONS. There is no ethical quandary here.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a therapist. Mental illness doesn't make someone a murderer. We don't like to talk about this because it goes against what our culture believes and espouses, but some people are just evil. Hitler wasn't mentally ill. He was just an evil person.

Mental illness doesn’t make someone a murder, but anyone that does a murder like that has to be mentally ill. Normal people don’t stab 4 strangers to death in their bed

Nope.

I think it's distressing for people to acknowledge that there are just really shitty, awful, vile people in this world and they're born this way. Most are men, but it has nothing to do with mental illness, being bullied, or being abused yourself. Some people are just born wanting to inflict harm on others with no f*cks given.

Something happened in his home, and his dad reportedly was similar to him. Hurt people hurt people - but not because of the bullying - something bad happened at home.

Something bad happens in millions of homes every day.

And those are the homes that create monsters.

Monsters are also created in homes where kids are taught it is never their fault, that it is always someone else who provoked them and they are always innocent, monsters are made in families who want to be perfect and cover up for their kids screw ups and explain away every bad behavior as due to an attack from "some one or something else"....

[Anonymous]

We are all a rolling snowball of our genetics, natal environments, childhoods, life experiences, etc.

People do not exist in a vaccuum and how nature / nurture events come together is different for each person. Generalizing your own personal experience to humanity is pointless. You haven't actually lived any other human's experience because every person is unique.

Understanding risk and contributing factors is not saying that every person with those factors will act in a specified or unified way. It doesn't mean that one factor explains everything. It is an accumulation of factors and events and how they were perceived, processed and reacted to by the individual.

Psychopathy and sociopathy aren't diagnoses - they are terms used to describe a specific set of characteristics and if you read up on them, quite complex ones with a multitude of contributing factors. The related diagnosis is antisocial personality disorder

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a therapist. Mental illness doesn't make someone a murderer. We don't like to talk about this because it goes against what our culture believes and espouses, but some people are just evil. Hitler wasn't mentally ill. He was just an evil person.

Mental illness doesn’t make someone a murder, but anyone that does a murder like that has to be mentally ill. Normal people don’t stab 4 strangers to death in their bed

Nope.

I think it's distressing for people to acknowledge that there are just really shitty, awful, vile people in this world and they're born this way. Most are men, but it has nothing to do with mental illness, being bullied, or being abused yourself. Some people are just born wanting to inflict harm on others with no f*cks given.

How can we hold them responsible then if they were simply born this way. You present it as a life long condition - they had no choice other than to be who they are. Just born to be a person who hurts others. We can't hold people responsible for who they were when they were born.

I disagree. When you work backwards, you often see a pattern and a sequence of sitautiond that describe why they are they way they are.

This is pretty foolish.

Even if he was “born” evil, what he’s being held responsible for are his (alleged) ACTIONS. There is no ethical quandary here.

You missed the quote I was responding to that people are just born that way. My point is that if someone was born evil with no moral compass, no conscience, no capacity to understand suffering, no ability to feel empathy, and driven since birth to be violent - then that person really has no choice but to act in antisocial and violent ways - as they were born that way. They can't take responsibility for something they have simply always been since birth and that was determined by their genetics.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a therapist. Mental illness doesn't make someone a murderer. We don't like to talk about this because it goes against what our culture believes and espouses, but some people are just evil. Hitler wasn't mentally ill. He was just an evil person.

Mental illness doesn’t make someone a murder, but anyone that does a murder like that has to be mentally ill. Normal people don’t stab 4 strangers to death in their bed

Nope.

I think it's distressing for people to acknowledge that there are just really shitty, awful, vile people in this world and they're born this way. Most are men, but it has nothing to do with mental illness, being bullied, or being abused yourself. Some people are just born wanting to inflict harm on others with no f*cks given.

Something happened in his home, and his dad reportedly was similar to him. Hurt people hurt people - but not because of the bullying - something bad happened at home.

As a crime victim and someone whose job is representing crime victims, please never use the "hurt people hurt people" line to anyone. You know what, plenty of hurt people never hurt people. This sociopath deserves no sympathy, and we should never make crime victims apologize for wanting punishment - and nothing more - for the offenders. Yuck.

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You are missing the point. It is the same as not all abused people abuse people - not all hurt people hurt people.

BUT when you dig into their story - you will find that many people do unto others as they have had done to them.

Not all mentally ill people act out, etc.

Do not reverse what is being said.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a therapist. Mental illness doesn't make someone a murderer. We don't like to talk about this because it goes against what our culture believes and espouses, but some people are just evil. Hitler wasn't mentally ill. He was just an evil person.

Mental illness doesn’t make someone a murder, but anyone that does a murder like that has to be mentally ill. Normal people don’t stab 4 strangers to death in their bed

Nope.

I think it's distressing for people to acknowledge that there are just really shitty, awful, vile people in this world and they're born this way. Most are men, but it has nothing to do with mental illness, being bullied, or being abused yourself. Some people are just born wanting to inflict harm on others with no f*cks given.

How can we hold them responsible then if they were simply born this way. You present it as a life long condition - they had no choice other than to be who they are. Just born to be a person who hurts others. We can't hold people responsible for who they were when they were born.

I disagree. When you work backwards, you often see a pattern and a sequence of sitautiond that describe why they are they way they are.

This is pretty foolish.

Even if he was “born” evil, what he’s being held responsible for are his (alleged) ACTIONS. There is no ethical quandary here.

You missed the quote I was responding to that people are just born that way. My point is that if someone was born evil with no moral compass, no conscience, no capacity to understand suffering, no ability to feel empathy, and driven since birth to be violent - then that person really has no choice but to act in antisocial and violent ways - as they were born that way. They can't take responsibility for something they have simply always been since birth and that was determined by their genetics.

Killers should not be excused, whether their "bad" is by birth or happenstance.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a therapist. Mental illness doesn't make someone a murderer. We don't like to talk about this because it goes against what our culture believes and espouses, but some people are just evil. Hitler wasn't mentally ill. He was just an evil person.

Mental illness doesn’t make someone a murder, but anyone that does a murder like that has to be mentally ill. Normal people don’t stab 4 strangers to death in their bed

Nope.

I think it's distressing for people to acknowledge that there are just really shitty, awful, vile people in this world and they're born this way. Most are men, but it has nothing to do with mental illness, being bullied, or being abused yourself. Some people are just born wanting to inflict harm on others with no f*cks given.

Something happened in his home, and his dad reportedly was similar to him. Hurt people hurt people - but not because of the bullying - something bad happened at home.

Something bad happens in millions of homes every day.

And those are the homes that create monsters.

Monsters are also created in homes where kids are taught it is never their fault, that it is always someone else who provoked them and they are always innocent, monsters are made in families who want to be perfect and cover up for their kids screw ups and explain away every bad behavior as due to an attack from "some one or something else"....

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Must have been because of (always need next scapegoat in proximity here).........

Kids learn whom to avoid, wisely so.