School Shooting in Michigan. 3 Teens DEAD. 1 15-yr old suspect in custody.

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“Involuntary,” my ass. How about we add negligent homcidie?

Homicide. Typo, obviously.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know off hand what the laws are around schools/searches of private backpacks? Would the school have had a right to search his backpack?

I heard a lawyer say they would have had adequate justification to do it in this case.

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“Involuntary,” my ass. How about we add negligent homcidie?

That’s pretty much what involuntary manslaughter is in Michigan.
“Involuntary manslaughter (also called criminally negligent manslaughter) occurs when a person is accidentally killed due to someone else's criminal negligence, or when someone is killed during another crime, where the intent was not to cause bodily injury or death. Unlike a murder charge, involuntary manslaughter means that a person had no intention of killing another, but due to their careless or reckless actions caused the death of a human being.”
https://www.findlaw.com/state/michigan-law/michigan-involuntary-manslaughter-law.html

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Anonymous wrote:So many excuses. Kids around the world are playing violent video games, getting bullied, having mental health issues, in dysfunctional families, etc. Just the same as American kids including this kid. What's the difference? ONE THING. Guns.

I suspect he was born with challenges/defects – and he was not getting the support he needed at school and from the local public health dept. High-strength glasses since youth, face shape, big ears, pudginess, and he looks a few years younger than a normal 15 year old. And we can look at his parents. Their run-down neglected home in hickville and the mother's public letter to Trump. And Michigan is one of the top states for opioid overdoses.

And there are thousands of these kids all over the world. They don't have access to guns is the difference.

Yes, they do.

Do you not understand how America is completely different from any other nation on gun access? I just can’t fathom how blind people are here. The rest of the world does not live like this. They don’t fear for their kids going to school or the cinema or a club or anywhere like we have to because of the sheer number of these events. This country has lost the plot.

So the good news is, you have plenty of options for your move to a place that suits you better.

Oh, no, sweetie. We’re not moving. We’re staying here and voting for leaders who are pro gun control.

This is the spirit!

We cannot give up America to psycho open carry idiots who would be living under an authoritarian tyrant if we had not voted.

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Anonymous wrote:Punishing these two people may make us feel better, but it will NOT prevent the next shooting.

Lots of kids (in all countries) are mentally ill.

Lots of kids are growing up with irresponsible parents.

OUR culture gives such kids EASY access to firearms. They are EVERYWHERE (in our homes, our stores, our entertainment -- including the video games we give our boys). ALL adults have to take responsibility for the state of our society.

We cannot pretend that locking up a pair of individual parents fixes things.

Wrong. The next dad, if he’s this dad go to jail, will lock up his frigging gun.

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The parents are on the run FBI is looking for them

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Anonymous wrote:Hang the parents. Demons produce demons.

Oh yeah, more killing, that is the answer.

what the hell kind of country do you people want to live in?

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Anonymous wrote:Normally, I would not blame parents for their children's mental illness...but the circumstances of this case are unbelievable.

I think the parents are DEFINITELY negligent, as is the school.

That kid should have been sent directly to a mental hospital, and not allowed back into any classroom until a professional said it was safe for him to return.

He was suicidal and homicidal. If the administration was aware of that level of PHYSCIAL illness, he would not have been returned to the classroom.

Tragic.

How is the school negligent. Within the last 10 days pre-shooting and including the DAY of the shooting - I've seen that they've reached out to the parents at least 4 times. On top of the parents knowing he had issues and still buying him a weapon at 15. WTF?

November 21st - Ethan was searching bullets on his phone - his mother was called immediately and a voicemail was left.

November 21st - Ethan was searching bullets on his phone - his mother was sent an email regarding the same subject

November 26th - Father takes him Black Friday shopping for a gun

November 27th - Mother posts on FB 'Mom and son tests out his present' - she went shooting with him

November 29th - Ethan called in by administration

November 30th - Ethan called in by administration with parents

November 30th - Ethan shoots and kills 4 fellow students

The school is negligent because they kept letting him go to school everyday. If schools finds a kid to a threat they need to suspend them immediately until kid has been evaluated by a psych professional and home has had weapons removed or verified secured. Those things don’t legally happen now, but the least the school could have done was not allow him back to school. Holding a bunch of meetings with the parents is pretty pointless if he is still attending classes.

The parents should not have allowed him to attend school. They did. They provided the gun. The dad LOL'd about it. It's a pretty straight line here.

Schools can and should have suspended him. Duh. While of course the parents are negligent, the school is too. Just because the parents didn’t keep him home doesn’t mean the school can’t say he is allowed to attend because he is unsafe. That is the schools job to ultimately make that call because they are responsible for the safety of the entire student body. They failed the kids

The school didn't buy him a gun a week after he got caught searching bullets in class after making insane social media videos with explosives. Stop excusing the BS parenting. I hope they both get 3-5 years consecutive time in jail.

Are you seriously arguing the school shouldn’t have suspended him?? Of course the parents should be prosecuted. But they school absolutely had the responsibility to suspend him and should have called police to escort him out if he wouldn’t leave. The school continues to let him go to class day and day even with strong evidence of threats and violent behaviors. That is a total fail on their part

Sounds like the school tried to suspend him and the PARENTS REFUSED TO TAKE HIM. What were they supposed to do? Can you call the police and send a 15-year-old to jail who hasn't done anything physically?

Who the hell cares if they “refused to take him?” Once he’s suspended, he’s trespassing. Call the cops and have the, deliver the minor to his parents.

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Anonymous wrote:Cool, hopefully their little runaway act can get a few more felony charges that will stick even if the murder charges don't

Of course their defense lawyer is CLAIMING “oh, no, they didn’t run. They just left the area for their safety. They’re coming back to be arraigned. It’s all a big misunderstanding.”

BS. Just trying to avoid additional charges. Hope it fails miserably.

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Hopefully the cops find them before they can turn themselves in.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully the cops find them before they can turn themselves in.

I’m concerned that they’ll have some violent standoff.

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Like I said, they’re on the MAGA Underground Railroad. There’s a whole network of crackheaded militia types in MI & WI who are willing to help hide them. Same people who were protecting Rittenhouse. Hopefully the FBI hunts them down & makes an example of them. Just like Michael Reinoehl.

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully the cops find them before they can turn themselves in.

I’m concerned that they’ll have some violent standoff.

Their attorney says they are turning themselves in for arraignment. No?

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The school district, superintendent, and principal will and should have their pants sued off. Backwater idiots. The district is relatively tiny with only 7,000 total kids [note: Michigan does NOT have county-wide districts], and the payroll is full of white folks making six-figures, with superintendent Timothy Throne making over $204,000 in wages alone.

Source: https://www.mackinac.org/salaries?report=education&search=&sort=wage2020-desc&filter=oxford

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Anonymous wrote:Hopefully the cops find them before they can turn themselves in.

I’m concerned that they’ll have some violent standoff.

Their attorney says they are turning themselves in for arraignment. No?

The arraignment was supposed to be hours ago.