Magruder HS Shooting

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Anonymous wrote:Are the shooter's parents being charged?

Where is this coming from? Haven't heard anything that indicates the parents put the gun in their son's hands.

I mean, there was someone upthread going on and on about how there was zero chance this was a "ghost gun" because of all the specialized equipment that would be needed. Turns out that's what it was.

Now, I think the fact that it was a "ghost gun" does make it less likely that the parents put the gun in his hands. Besides, it's usually white parents to arm their little sociopaths.

The police are loosely using the term ghost gun to refer to a gun without a serial number. It doesn’t necessarily mean the whole assembly part as it relates to this perpetrator

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Obviously we're on our way to reinstatement of SROs in schools, and thank goodness for that. I'll never understand people who wanted to defund police, etc. I'm all for left-wing policies, but only when they actually make sense. If you want to address racism in law enforcement, you make make police academies MORE selective, and you lure in smarter candidates with more attractive pay (same method if you want to increase teaching standards).The dumb people will never react well in crisis situations regardless of the training they get! You can't staff such positions with the poorly-paid and the ones without critical thinking skills, and then act surprised that they're incompetent.

Good luck achieving this with the police academies in the hands of the existing police force.

+1 To keep this close to home, look at the caes of the officers caught on camera abusing a 5 year-old child inside an MCPS school last year. No accountability. No repercussions. Nothing but a blue wall protecting bad cops from ever seeing their actions have consequences.

As long as the entire structure of policing continues to protect abusive cops, none of the changes listed above will ever happen. Except giving them more money, because rewarding abusive cops is the American Way (tm).

MCPD is filled with very good officers. It’s a strong police department. Yes, those two officers were in the wrong. Guess what? A lot of MCPD agrees. Instead of falling back on old arguments, I recommend you get to know current policing. Fortunately, there are a couple avenues through which you can do that. Request a ride-along. Attend the citizens’ academy. Instead of falling back on preconceived notions, get to know the department. They are out in the community and sponsor regular events.

There are good and bad employees in any workplace. I would say the good outweigh the bad in MCPD. SROs are the best of the best. Our SRO had been in our school for over a decade. She interacted with students to give them a smile. She knew students by name - not because they were in trouble but because she would take more time than the principal to have conversations with the students.

Yeah. I don’t want my kid interacting with police unless it is mandatory. I can see that you don’t understand it. You might reflect on the fact that your refusal to understand it is part of why there are no SROs in schools now.

I don't want my kid to interact with shooters in school.

Right, it comes down to whether kids can form a positive relationship with one SRO who is kid-friendly to begin with, or have their schools flooded with hundreds of SWAT like police with long guns searching for their fellow perpetrator student.

PREVENTION IS SO MUCH BETTER.

I don’t accept these as our only two options.

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I hate when we criticize women for their clothes but here it was warranted. The child was in surgery but could have died or might still die though hopefully not. This was a sober scary worst nightmare scenario with kids locked in classrooms still. Dark coat. Don’t make it look like you did your hair first. There should not have been time.

The more important question is why did she stay home until time for the presser? Shouldn't she have at least headed to her office? This was a crisis event--I would have expected her to go to the school.

She wasn't at home.

Come on! Her office is 10 min from the school Of course she was coming from PG County.

Does Dr. McKnight live in PG County?

Yes. Her family is also recovering from covid, so I'm guessing she was working from home. I thought the speech was....suboptimal and hit the wrong tone, but I'm not going to come down hard on a working mom who was home with sick kids. The error here wasn't that she was in PG. It was that she was in PG and insisted on doing the briefing herself rather than delegating someone if she couldn't get there in time.

If she is recovering from Covid, why wasn’t she wearing the MCPS supplied KN95. Fashion over protecting others I guess.

I do have a problem when the top leaders in MCPS are living outside Montgomery County. So many live out of county and out of state. With the added layer of not even traveling to Central Office, they loose touch with the community that they serve. They also do a poor job managing the people underneath them. When the cat is away the mice will play. Try calling Central Office and no one is answering the phones.

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Police or no police in schools, that is the question.

With weapons and use of weapons in schools on the rise, SROs would be an added layer of security. My children never had a problem with a MCPD officer including an SRO. MCPS is not trained to deal with an armed shooter but police are. The reaction to get medical attention for a gun shot victim and arrest the perpetrator would have been swifter with an SRO at the school.

Isn’t it up to the Board of Ed and MCPD to come up with an agreement to bring SROs back? Can the dysfunctional County Council and Elrich be cut out of the decision?

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Obviously we're on our way to reinstatement of SROs in schools, and thank goodness for that. I'll never understand people who wanted to defund police, etc. I'm all for left-wing policies, but only when they actually make sense. If you want to address racism in law enforcement, you make make police academies MORE selective, and you lure in smarter candidates with more attractive pay (same method if you want to increase teaching standards).The dumb people will never react well in crisis situations regardless of the training they get! You can't staff such positions with the poorly-paid and the ones without critical thinking skills, and then act surprised that they're incompetent.

Good luck achieving this with the police academies in the hands of the existing police force.

+1 To keep this close to home, look at the caes of the officers caught on camera abusing a 5 year-old child inside an MCPS school last year. No accountability. No repercussions. Nothing but a blue wall protecting bad cops from ever seeing their actions have consequences.

As long as the entire structure of policing continues to protect abusive cops, none of the changes listed above will ever happen. Except giving them more money, because rewarding abusive cops is the American Way (tm).

MCPD is filled with very good officers. It’s a strong police department. Yes, those two officers were in the wrong. Guess what? A lot of MCPD agrees. Instead of falling back on old arguments, I recommend you get to know current policing. Fortunately, there are a couple avenues through which you can do that. Request a ride-along. Attend the citizens’ academy. Instead of falling back on preconceived notions, get to know the department. They are out in the community and sponsor regular events.

There are good and bad employees in any workplace. I would say the good outweigh the bad in MCPD. SROs are the best of the best. Our SRO had been in our school for over a decade. She interacted with students to give them a smile. She knew students by name - not because they were in trouble but because she would take more time than the principal to have conversations with the students.

Yeah. I don’t want my kid interacting with police unless it is mandatory. I can see that you don’t understand it. You might reflect on the fact that your refusal to understand it is part of why there are no SROs in schools now.

I don't want my kid to interact with shooters in school.

Right, it comes down to whether kids can form a positive relationship with one SRO who is kid-friendly to begin with, or have their schools flooded with hundreds of SWAT like police with long guns searching for their fellow perpetrator student.

PREVENTION IS SO MUCH BETTER.

I don’t accept these as our only two options.

What? You don’t accept prevention as an option? What could be preferaable to prevention ?

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Magruder had two incident of threats of mass violence in December. Am not suggesting that this is related but it has taken a toll. The students there have been through a lot, I know my kids there are struggling. We need prayers.

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I hate when we criticize women for their clothes but here it was warranted. The child was in surgery but could have died or might still die though hopefully not. This was a sober scary worst nightmare scenario with kids locked in classrooms still. Dark coat. Don’t make it look like you did your hair first. There should not have been time.

The more important question is why did she stay home until time for the presser? Shouldn't she have at least headed to her office? This was a crisis event--I would have expected her to go to the school.

She wasn't at home.

Come on! Her office is 10 min from the school Of course she was coming from PG County.

Does Dr. McKnight live in PG County?

Yes. Her family is also recovering from covid, so I'm guessing she was working from home. I thought the speech was....suboptimal and hit the wrong tone, but I'm not going to come down hard on a working mom who was home with sick kids. The error here wasn't that she was in PG. It was that she was in PG and insisted on doing the briefing herself rather than delegating someone if she couldn't get there in time.

If she is recovering from Covid, why wasn’t she wearing the MCPS supplied KN95. Fashion over protecting others I guess.

I do have a problem when the top leaders in MCPS are living outside Montgomery County. So many live out of county and out of state. With the added layer of not even traveling to Central Office, they loose touch with the community that they serve. They also do a poor job managing the people underneath them. When the cat is away the mice will play. Try calling Central Office and no one is answering the phones.

McKnight wasn't working from home.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s silly people think an SRO would have stopped this.

well, we will never know now.

How many school shootings and/or arrest of a student who brought a gun to school has MCPS had, pre and post SRO removal?

What we KNOW is that a SRO would have drastically changed the response. The first 911 call was for a "community" officer for a school. It wasn't for an emergency police response for a school shooting. Precious time elapsed that allowed the shooter to hide in a classroom that was already in lockdown. Why was he allowed to enter that classroom after the lockdown?
An SRO would have locked the school down faster and trapped the shooter in the hall where he could have been apprehended instead of hiding.

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Anonymous wrote:Magruder had two incident of threats of mass violence in December. Am not suggesting that this is related but it has taken a toll. The students there have been through a lot, I know my kids there are struggling. We need prayers.

I am sorry. That is a lot for students, families, and staff to go through.

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Anonymous wrote:Police or no police in schools, that is the question.

With weapons and use of weapons in schools on the rise, SROs would be an added layer of security. My children never had a problem with a MCPD officer including an SRO. MCPS is not trained to deal with an armed shooter but police are. The reaction to get medical attention for a gun shot victim and arrest the perpetrator would have been swifter with an SRO at the school.

Isn’t it up to the Board of Ed and MCPD to come up with an agreement to bring SROs back? Can the dysfunctional County Council and Elrich be cut out of the decision?

The _funding_ for the SROs comes from the County (i.e. Council approves it), not BOE. It could be because MCPD are employees of the County not MCPS, but I'm not totally sure.

I think if the BOE voted in favor of SROs, the Council would look pretty bad ignoring the request. But the BOE hasn't done that .. ignoring that _every_ MCPS principal is in favor of SROs.

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McKnight wasn't working from home.

Where was she? The incident started at 1pm. She was late to a 4:45pm press conference.

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Bring back SROs in school. If you do not want your kids interacting with SROs, then you should teach them not to bring knives and guns to school or follow some tiktok challenge to deface school property.

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Anonymous wrote:Look a shady rapper wannabe brings a ghost gun to school to specifically shoot one person. Just one. He could have used a knife, bat, fists. It was never an active shooter thing

Doesn't him, you know, SHOOTING someone make it an "active shooter thing?" Since you seem so in the know, what was the motive?

Finding a wounded person in the bathroom is not an "active shooter" situation. It's a "someone was shot" situation.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s silly people think an SRO would have stopped this.

well, we will never know now.

How many school shootings and/or arrest of a student who brought a gun to school has MCPS had, pre and post SRO removal?

What we KNOW is that a SRO would have drastically changed the response. The first 911 call was for a "community" officer for a school. It wasn't for an emergency police response for a school shooting. Precious time elapsed that allowed the shooter to hide in a classroom that was already in lockdown. Why was he allowed to enter that classroom after the lockdown?
An SRO would have locked the school down faster and trapped the shooter in the hall where he could have been apprehended instead of hiding.

I disagree wholeheartedly. These schools are huge. Unless the SRO was literally in the hallway it occurred in and happened to witness the event, they wouldn’t have known who it was or even what happened for several minutes. Obviously, teachers are trained to scan the hallway and collect all students they see before locking down so the shooter was probably pulled in by a teacher anyway. The way it played out may have gotten officers in the school a couple minutes quicker but the end result would have been the same. I am impressed that they maintained calm, found the student, and AVOIDED any more injuries. If they wouldn’t have been so careful, I believe the student would have been much more likely to freak out and turn the event into a mass shooting. I get it guys, we feel the natural need to criticize (cmon, you guys can’t really are about the color of people coats and ties, right?) because the kids we love the most are inside of those buildings. We NEED gun control NOW!

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Anonymous wrote:Look a shady rapper wannabe brings a ghost gun to school to specifically shoot one person. Just one. He could have used a knife, bat, fists. It was never an active shooter thing

Doesn't him, you know, SHOOTING someone make it an "active shooter thing?" Since you seem so in the know, what was the motive?

Finding a wounded person in the bathroom is not an "active shooter" situation. It's a "someone was shot" situation.

Someone was shot. Why would you assume the shooter is no longer on campus? A cop's first reaction would be where is the shooter?