Magruder HS Shooting

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Anonymous wrote:https://wjla.com/news/local/magruder-high-school-derwood-shooting-student-bathroom-montgomery-county-public-schools-lockdown-police-officers-mcknight

This timeline is extremely disturbing.

Why? They had to identify the shooter and extract him from a classroom without raising his suspicion or making him feel cornered because they knew he had a gun somewhere. No wonder it took a long time.

Nah. There's no way the shooter thought they were such clamoring idiots that they didn't realize there was a gunman on the lose until 2 hours later.

He may not have known that they knew who he was or that they knew he hadn't left the building. Besides, these schools have cameras everywhere, except in bathrooms. It's not exactly a brilliant move to shoot someone in the bathroom knowing there are cameras that can place him in the room at the time of the shootings. If the charges go forward as an adult we will find out eventually.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are the shooter's parents being charged?

Where is this coming from? Haven't heard anything that indicates the parents put the gun in their son's hands.

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It’s silly people think an SRO would have stopped this.

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Anonymous wrote:Are the shooter's parents being charged?

Where is this coming from? Haven't heard anything that indicates the parents put the gun in their son's hands.

I mean, there was someone upthread going on and on about how there was zero chance this was a "ghost gun" because of all the specialized equipment that would be needed. Turns out that's what it was.

Now, I think the fact that it was a "ghost gun" does make it less likely that the parents put the gun in his hands. Besides, it's usually white parents to arm their little sociopaths.

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I hate when we criticize women for their clothes but here it was warranted. The child was in surgery but could have died or might still die though hopefully not. This was a sober scary worst nightmare scenario with kids locked in classrooms still. Dark coat. Don’t make it look like you did your hair first. There should not have been time.

The more important question is why did she stay home until time for the presser? Shouldn't she have at least headed to her office? This was a crisis event--I would have expected her to go to the school.

She wasn't at home.

Come on! Her office is 10 min from the school Of course she was coming from PG County.

Does Dr. McKnight live in PG County?

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I hate when we criticize women for their clothes but here it was warranted. The child was in surgery but could have died or might still die though hopefully not. This was a sober scary worst nightmare scenario with kids locked in classrooms still. Dark coat. Don’t make it look like you did your hair first. There should not have been time.

The more important question is why did she stay home until time for the presser? Shouldn't she have at least headed to her office? This was a crisis event--I would have expected her to go to the school.

She wasn't at home.

Come on! Her office is 10 min from the school Of course she was coming from PG County.

Does Dr. McKnight live in PG County?

Yes. Her family is also recovering from covid, so I'm guessing she was working from home. I thought the speech was....suboptimal and hit the wrong tone, but I'm not going to come down hard on a working mom who was home with sick kids. The error here wasn't that she was in PG. It was that she was in PG and insisted on doing the briefing herself rather than delegating someone if she couldn't get there in time.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure this is a very naive question but why didn’t anyone hear the gunshot? The victim was found in the bathroom not that someone heard the gunshot?

I was wondering the same. The only thing I could think of was that it happened during transition time when it's fairly loud in the hallway. But, IDK. It's a good question.

Schools have very solid walls and doors. A gun shot would sound a lot like slamming a door in your house outside and far from the bathroom. Double so if you are in classroom with thick walls. I didn't hear it all in the building. None of my students did.
-Magruder teacher.

My kid goes to Magruder and the level of violence (fights, fight club/slap boxing/robbery) is pretty overwhelming right now. What would you like to see done to reduce that?

DP

I have a kid in a different nonW cluster and she reports the same. Lunch time is chaos.

MCPS needs to do something to ensure school safety for the kids who do attend school to get an education.

Yes same here with a kid in a different cluster. You parents who keep using the school to prison tagline to keep SROs out of mcps should be ashamed of yourself. There was never a school to prison pipeline at MCPS and having SROs in a school building of 2500 students were certainly not the cause of majority of school arrests. If you all had looked at the data and listened and believed all the HS principals you would know that. But instead you'd rather listen to an old white man who has never walked into a HS hallway in this county or you'd rather listen to the council member who has a known grudge with the police. Ask your kid to show you TikTok videos of the school fights that are happening at their schools and tell me SROs aren't needed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Was anyone else on the Magruder townhall? A security guard named Mr. Nelson was mentioned as saving the victim's life by delivering early aid. Did he discover him?

Mr. Nelson is an awesome guy. Kids and staff really like him.
-Magruder teacher

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure this is a very naive question but why didn’t anyone hear the gunshot? The victim was found in the bathroom not that someone heard the gunshot?

I was wondering the same. The only thing I could think of was that it happened during transition time when it's fairly loud in the hallway. But, IDK. It's a good question.

Schools have very solid walls and doors. A gun shot would sound a lot like slamming a door in your house outside and far from the bathroom. Double so if you are in classroom with thick walls. I didn't hear it all in the building. None of my students did.
-Magruder teacher.

My kid goes to Magruder and the level of violence (fights, fight club/slap boxing/robbery) is pretty overwhelming right now. What would you like to see done to reduce that?

DP

I have a kid in a different nonW cluster and she reports the same. Lunch time is chaos.

MCPS needs to do something to ensure school safety for the kids who do attend school to get an education.

Yes same here with a kid in a different cluster. You parents who keep using the school to prison tagline to keep SROs out of mcps should be ashamed of yourself. There was never a school to prison pipeline at MCPS and having SROs in a school building of 2500 students were certainly not the cause of majority of school arrests. If you all had looked at the data and listened and believed all the HS principals you would know that. But instead you'd rather listen to an old white man who has never walked into a HS hallway in this county or you'd rather listen to the council member who has a known grudge with the police. Ask your kid to show you TikTok videos of the school fights that are happening at their schools and tell me SROs aren't needed.

Right now, at this moment in MCPS, what we really need is a surge of adults (security, dads on duty, etc.) simply monitoring halls in the high schools. The amount of hall-walking & class skipping is out of control, and there simply aren't enough adults available to manage it. Too many kids are far more interested in things other than academics during school time. They bring neighborhood drama to school and they escalate things while at school. One SRO isn't going to change the fact that at any moment in my high school I can glance down the hall and see 6-10 kids out of classrooms. Multiply that by about 8 similar hallways, and that's a lot of kids roaming. Just having more adult presence around would quell a lot of that behavior, and then there is less opportunity for the kids to escalate things.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m sure this is a very naive question but why didn’t anyone hear the gunshot? The victim was found in the bathroom not that someone heard the gunshot?

I was wondering the same. The only thing I could think of was that it happened during transition time when it's fairly loud in the hallway. But, IDK. It's a good question.

Schools have very solid walls and doors. A gun shot would sound a lot like slamming a door in your house outside and far from the bathroom. Double so if you are in classroom with thick walls. I didn't hear it all in the building. None of my students did.
-Magruder teacher.

My kid goes to Magruder and the level of violence (fights, fight club/slap boxing/robbery) is pretty overwhelming right now. What would you like to see done to reduce that?

I am a Magruder teacher. Honestly, I have not personally witnessed any of this except for the slap boxing. I am a bit isolated in the building location, but I would hardly call it overwhelming. Students rarely mention anything. If it does happen it’s usually the same group of kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s silly people think an SRO would have stopped this.

well, we will never know now.

How many school shootings and/or arrest of a student who brought a gun to school has MCPS had, pre and post SRO removal?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure this is a very naive question but why didn’t anyone hear the gunshot? The victim was found in the bathroom not that someone heard the gunshot?

I was wondering the same. The only thing I could think of was that it happened during transition time when it's fairly loud in the hallway. But, IDK. It's a good question.

Schools have very solid walls and doors. A gun shot would sound a lot like slamming a door in your house outside and far from the bathroom. Double so if you are in classroom with thick walls. I didn't hear it all in the building. None of my students did.
-Magruder teacher.

My kid goes to Magruder and the level of violence (fights, fight club/slap boxing/robbery) is pretty overwhelming right now. What would you like to see done to reduce that?

DP

I have a kid in a different nonW cluster and she reports the same. Lunch time is chaos.

MCPS needs to do something to ensure school safety for the kids who do attend school to get an education.

Yes same here with a kid in a different cluster. You parents who keep using the school to prison tagline to keep SROs out of mcps should be ashamed of yourself. There was never a school to prison pipeline at MCPS and having SROs in a school building of 2500 students were certainly not the cause of majority of school arrests. If you all had looked at the data and listened and believed all the HS principals you would know that. But instead you'd rather listen to an old white man who has never walked into a HS hallway in this county or you'd rather listen to the council member who has a known grudge with the police. Ask your kid to show you TikTok videos of the school fights that are happening at their schools and tell me SROs aren't needed.

Right now, at this moment in MCPS, what we really need is a surge of adults (security, dads on duty, etc.) simply monitoring halls in the high schools. The amount of hall-walking & class skipping is out of control, and there simply aren't enough adults available to manage it. Too many kids are far more interested in things other than academics during school time. They bring neighborhood drama to school and they escalate things while at school. One SRO isn't going to change the fact that at any moment in my high school I can glance down the hall and see 6-10 kids out of classrooms. Multiply that by about 8 similar hallways, and that's a lot of kids roaming. Just having more adult presence around would quell a lot of that behavior, and then there is less opportunity for the kids to escalate things.

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I think this is a major issue in all the middle and high schools now. There are no consequences for lateness/tarries. I can’t even figure out how to write a referral for skipping class or being late too many times.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s silly people think an SRO would have stopped this.

well, we will never know now.

How many school shootings and/or arrest of a student who brought a gun to school has MCPS had, pre and post SRO removal?

It's considerably higher post-SRO removal (weapons incidents, don't know about arrests). For example, on Friday we not only had the Magruder shooting but also a student who brought a gun to school at Wheaton HS. Oh, and that was the second time a gun was brought to school in Wheaton _this month_.

Anti-SRO people will say that just reflects a general trend of increased crime this last year. Maybe they're right about that, but just because crime is up, doesn't mean we shouldn't take steps (like reinstating SROs) to combat it.

Crime in Silver Spring is up, so instead of ignoring it they've added a special task force to focus on that area, and they have been successful so far in getting a lot of guns off the street and arresting violent criminals in the process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s silly people think an SRO would have stopped this.

well, we will never know now.

How many school shootings and/or arrest of a student who brought a gun to school has MCPS had, pre and post SRO removal?

It's considerably higher post-SRO removal (weapons incidents, don't know about arrests). For example, on Friday we not only had the Magruder shooting but also a student who brought a gun to school at Wheaton HS. Oh, and that was the second time a gun was brought to school in Wheaton _this month_.

Anti-SRO people will say that just reflects a general trend of increased crime this last year. Maybe they're right about that, but just because crime is up, doesn't mean we shouldn't take steps (like reinstating SROs) to combat it.

Crime in Silver Spring is up, so instead of ignoring it they've added a special task force to focus on that area, and they have been successful so far in getting a lot of guns off the street and arresting violent criminals in the process.

So bringing cops is good enough for SS and the residents and businesses there but not in our schools to protect the kids.

I'm genuinely curious what the anti-SRO folks think the solution is, especially given the uptick in mental health issues after a year of VL, something actionable *right now*.

[Anonymous]

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I think this is a major issue in all the middle and high schools now. There are no consequences for lateness/tarries. I can’t even figure out how to write a referral for skipping class or being late too many times.

You are supposed to give them a hug, and tell them that because they have a tough home life, their bad behavior in school is excused and there are no consequences. Oh sorry, no hugging. Just use your words. That'll whip them into shape.