Magruder HS Shooting

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The press conference timing had nothing to do with releasing the kids.

The press conference was to provide information to the public. The police and school administration were accounting for everyone else, searching for further evidence, and determining an order of release. It doesn't get wrapped up neatly like a one hour police drama.

The press conference had everything to do with the students. They were still being held hostage. The buses were lined up for hours and the students were still on lockdown. Not sure what you are inside, but dismissal from a high school happens every day and it doesn't take 3 1/2 hours. High schools actually know how to release students.
This isn't the first school shooting in this country. It never takes 3 1/2 hours to release students back to their families. Student parent reunification is always the first priority, not the last.

"The suspect was located inside the school just before 3 p.m. A handgun was also found with that student."
"Buses were seen lined up at the school at 4:30 p.m. two hours after their regular dismissal time."
"Students were seen leaving the building just before 5:30 p.m."
https://wjla.com/news/local/student-injured-at-mag...ntgomery-county-public-schools

If it was safe for buses to line up, it was safe for release. And we don't know if it was okay even before 4:30, but this may shed more light on the timing.

"At 4:16 p.m., Montgomery County Police tweeted that a press conference had been scheduled for 4:45 p.m. at Sequoyah Elementary School, about half a mile from Magruder's campus. The press conference, however, did not begin until around 5:40 p.m. Officials explained the delay was because MCPS Interim Superintendent Monifa McKnight had gotten stuck in traffic and needed a police escort."
https://wjla.com/news/local/magruder-high-school-d...kdown-police-officers-mcknight

Is it true the reason why she needed the police escort is because she doesn't even live in or have her children attend MCPS schools?

Does this mean she needs a police escort every time there's an issue? Kids will be delayed just to wait for her press conferences in future incidents?

How would where her children attend school affect traffic?

Because if she is picking her child up from school in Bowie it takes a while to get to Rockville in rush hour. That's why she called the police to give her an escort. The drive from Bowie at that time a day
is a problem.

It is a bit weird she is working from home given her position and school is in person.

I'm not a huge McKnight fan, but I am a working mother with a high pressured job. Since COVID, people have been very flexible about working from home. For all you know, one of her kids had a doctor's appointment earlier that morning, or she did, or there was just some other reason why working from home was easier on that day.

She is paid a lot of money and is in an executive leadership position. If she cannot make appropriate arrangements to manage her child care in order to fulfill her responsibilities then she should not have taken the job.

Presumably people at MCPS care about kids.

If they truly put kids first, they would release them to go home the very second possible and worry about the press conference later. It was unconscionable to continue to keep them there.

The press conference was with leaders of departments. The folks holding up the student release were the actual police on scene and school staff. These two things are NOT related.

So you're claiming that the police, and not MCPS, deliberately did not release kids until 5:30?

I think that would be an interesting question to directly ask them and get clarification upon - who actually kept the parents and kids separated and why.

police and magruder administration. Not McKnight. I’m a Magruder parent. That’s exactly what the police chief and principal said in our community meeting the next day. They had to ensure the scene was controlled, all evidence collected, and all students accounted for. Nobody knew if there were other kids involved. They then had a dismissal protocol with walkers and drivers released first. Bussed kids next. And car pool kids next.

I think Dr. Evans and the whole school staff did a fantastic job. It takes a lot of work to manage a critical incident scene. I’m sure both the school and police will do an after action review to see what could have been done better. And it will work more smoothly the next time. (Because with ghost guns, unfortunately I’m sure there will be a next time). But considering it was the first school shooting ever in the county, they did a hell of a good job.

Thank you for this clarification. It felt very muddled higher up in the thread.

There's something off about the letter and timing? The principal released a nicely typed 1 page letter (from a desk, not cell phone message) saying that student release would be at 5 PM, but it wasn't sent until 5:20. Busses can't pull up if there's still activity in the building either, so they were already preparing to release the kids before 4:30.

Are you saying that he was sitting on the letter on purpose because of the police?

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I really don’t get the problem. It was a frigging school shooting.

My husband got the dismissal message at 5:08. I got it at 5:16. I assume they go out in batches, but I’m not IT. The message said dismissal would begin BETWEEN 5 and 6. Not at 5 on the dot.

The buses were lined up on Muncaster Mill. Not on school grounds. This only underscores how many moving parts there were. But I’m done. This is my kid’s school. I’m satisfied with how they handled it. The outcome could have been much worse. So much worse.

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Anonymous wrote:The post article makes it appear the victim and his crew was going to jump the kid in bathroom who had gun for protection and got shot.

Yes. That's what all the kids think, too. Based on the history of the people involved. To me, it's two lives ruined. I feel very badly for both the shooting victim and the shooter. They are children. Ghost guns are a game changer, unfortunately. They are so incredibly easy to get.

But this is the trend we are seeing in the county. People who have disputes and don't know how to handle them. What used to be a fist fight is now about knives and guns.

And it’s pretty sad to to think the “friends” of the victim were the ones who posted on social media and left him hurt in the bathroom.

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Anonymous wrote:The post article makes it appear the victim and his crew was going to jump the kid in bathroom who had gun for protection and got shot.

Yes. That's what all the kids think, too. Based on the history of the people involved. To me, it's two lives ruined. I feel very badly for both the shooting victim and the shooter. They are children. Ghost guns are a game changer, unfortunately. They are so incredibly easy to get.

But this is the trend we are seeing in the county. People who have disputes and don't know how to handle them. What used to be a fist fight is now about knives and guns.

And it’s pretty sad to to think the “friends” of the victim were the ones who posted on social media and left him hurt in the bathroom.

The story doesn't make sense. It isn't true. If the shooter entered the bathroom, believing there was going to be a confrontation, his bringing a gun shows premeditation. No matter how the shooter, the victim, and the witnesses portray the unfolding of events, one fact remains: a child was shot and left to bleed out in a high school bathroom. Let's hold off on the victim blaming and speculation.

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Anonymous wrote:The post article makes it appear the victim and his crew was going to jump the kid in bathroom who had gun for protection and got shot.

Yes. That's what all the kids think, too. Based on the history of the people involved. To me, it's two lives ruined. I feel very badly for both the shooting victim and the shooter. They are children. Ghost guns are a game changer, unfortunately. They are so incredibly easy to get.

But this is the trend we are seeing in the county. People who have disputes and don't know how to handle them. What used to be a fist fight is now about knives and guns.

And it’s pretty sad to to think the “friends” of the victim were the ones who posted on social media and left him hurt in the bathroom.

You have to be really slow to think the story that the defense puts out there is the truth.

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Anonymous wrote:The post article makes it appear the victim and his crew was going to jump the kid in bathroom who had gun for protection and got shot.

Yes. That's what all the kids think, too. Based on the history of the people involved. To me, it's two lives ruined. I feel very badly for both the shooting victim and the shooter. They are children. Ghost guns are a game changer, unfortunately. They are so incredibly easy to get.

But this is the trend we are seeing in the county. People who have disputes and don't know how to handle them. What used to be a fist fight is now about knives and guns.

And it’s pretty sad to to think the “friends” of the victim were the ones who posted on social media and left him hurt in the bathroom.

You have to be really slow to think the story that the defense puts out there is the truth.

just because the victim is the one in the hospital doesn’t mean he was completely innocent in this situation. Obviously the shooter is to blame here. I think this story is not that simple.

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Anonymous wrote:The post article makes it appear the victim and his crew was going to jump the kid in bathroom who had gun for protection and got shot.

Yes. That's what all the kids think, too. Based on the history of the people involved. To me, it's two lives ruined. I feel very badly for both the shooting victim and the shooter. They are children. Ghost guns are a game changer, unfortunately. They are so incredibly easy to get.

But this is the trend we are seeing in the county. People who have disputes and don't know how to handle them. What used to be a fist fight is now about knives and guns.

And it’s pretty sad to to think the “friends” of the victim were the ones who posted on social media and left him hurt in the bathroom.

You have to be really slow to think the story that the defense puts out there is the truth.

just because the victim is the one in the hospital doesn’t mean he was completely innocent in this situation. Obviously the shooter is to blame here. I think this story is not that simple.

The shooter is not at fault if it is self defense

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Anonymous wrote:The post article makes it appear the victim and his crew was going to jump the kid in bathroom who had gun for protection and got shot.

Yes. That's what all the kids think, too. Based on the history of the people involved. To me, it's two lives ruined. I feel very badly for both the shooting victim and the shooter. They are children. Ghost guns are a game changer, unfortunately. They are so incredibly easy to get.

But this is the trend we are seeing in the county. People who have disputes and don't know how to handle them. What used to be a fist fight is now about knives and guns.

And it’s pretty sad to to think the “friends” of the victim were the ones who posted on social media and left him hurt in the bathroom.

The story doesn't make sense. It isn't true. If the shooter entered the bathroom, believing there was going to be a confrontation, his bringing a gun shows premeditation. No matter how the shooter, the victim, and the witnesses portray the unfolding of events, one fact remains: a child was shot and left to bleed out in a high school bathroom. Let's hold off on the victim blaming and speculation.

They are both victims in my opinion. Teens making bad choices that unfortunately have life long consequences. It’s sad all the way around.

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The shooter is 100 percent wrong but the gun went off when victim was trying to grab it. Dangerous move. Then his friends and shooter ditched him.

[Anonymous]

Dr. McKnight is completely tone deaf. She is quoted as calling the shooting an unfortunate incident.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.localdvm.com/news/maryland/mcps-officials-consider-additional-mental-health-services-for-students/amp/

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Anonymous wrote:Dr. McKnight is completely tone deaf. She is quoted as calling the shooting an unfortunate incident.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.localdvm.com/news/maryland/mcps-officials-consider-additional-mental-health-services-for-students/amp/

That means it was a bad thing that happened. There are plenty of other things to get upset about.

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Anonymous wrote:The shooter is 100 percent wrong but the gun went off when victim was trying to grab it. Dangerous move. Then his friends and shooter ditched him.

You left out the part where the gun was aimed at his head. What would you do in that situation?

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Anonymous wrote:The shooter is 100 percent wrong but the gun went off when victim was trying to grab it. Dangerous move. Then his friends and shooter ditched him.

The original facts recounted were that Alston held the gun to the victim's head and the victim pushed it away. Dangerous to NOT move the gun at your temple away, no? The shooter ordered the 3 parts of the gun, assembled it with help, brought it to school and carried it into the bathroom knowing there would be a confrontation. That is not self defense, that is premeditation.

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The stats cited in this article, FOIA'd re: MCPS 911 calls, seem high. Can anyone put in context?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/defund-the-police-return-school-resource-officers

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Anonymous wrote:The post article makes it appear the victim and his crew was going to jump the kid in bathroom who had gun for protection and got shot.

Yes. That's what all the kids think, too. Based on the history of the people involved. To me, it's two lives ruined. I feel very badly for both the shooting victim and the shooter. They are children. Ghost guns are a game changer, unfortunately. They are so incredibly easy to get.

But this is the trend we are seeing in the county. People who have disputes and don't know how to handle them. What used to be a fist fight is now about knives and guns.

And it’s pretty sad to to think the “friends” of the victim were the ones who posted on social media and left him hurt in the bathroom.

You have to be really slow to think the story that the defense puts out there is the truth.

just because the victim is the one in the hospital doesn’t mean he was completely innocent in this situation. Obviously the shooter is to blame here. I think this story is not that simple.

The shooter is not at fault if it is self defense

Nice try. Bringing a weapon to school, a minor carrying a gun, etc.