Magruder HS Shooting

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Anonymous wrote:Look a shady rapper wannabe brings a ghost gun to school to specifically shoot one person. Just one. He could have used a knife, bat, fists. It was never an active shooter thing

Doesn't him, you know, SHOOTING someone make it an "active shooter thing?" Since you seem so in the know, what was the motive?

Finding a wounded person in the bathroom is not an "active shooter" situation. It's a "someone was shot" situation.

In which case, a big brain realizes “someone else” shot him pretty quickly and alerts mcpd for an active shooter. Why were police dispatched with no sirens on? Oh right, because it wasn’t called in as an emergency or a shooting.

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We NEED gun control NOW!

I agree but MD already has very strict gun laws, and people under 21 can't posesses guns in general in MD, let alone bring them to school. This wasn't a case of a legal gun owner, legally bringing a gun to school.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s silly people think an SRO would have stopped this.

well, we will never know now.

How many school shootings and/or arrest of a student who brought a gun to school has MCPS had, pre and post SRO removal?

What we KNOW is that a SRO would have drastically changed the response. The first 911 call was for a "community" officer for a school. It wasn't for an emergency police response for a school shooting. Precious time elapsed that allowed the shooter to hide in a classroom that was already in lockdown. Why was he allowed to enter that classroom after the lockdown?
An SRO would have locked the school down faster and trapped the shooter in the hall where he could have been apprehended instead of hiding.

I disagree wholeheartedly. These schools are huge. Unless the SRO was literally in the hallway it occurred in and happened to witness the event, they wouldn’t have known who it was or even what happened for several minutes. Obviously, teachers are trained to scan the hallway and collect all students they see before locking down so the shooter was probably pulled in by a teacher anyway. The way it played out may have gotten officers in the school a couple minutes quicker but the end result would have been the same. I am impressed that they maintained calm, found the student, and AVOIDED any more injuries. If they wouldn’t have been so careful, I believe the student would have been much more likely to freak out and turn the event into a mass shooting. I get it guys, we feel the natural need to criticize (cmon, you guys can’t really are about the color of people coats and ties, right?) because the kids we love the most are inside of those buildings. We NEED gun control NOW!

IMO, it's not just about whether an SRO in the school could have prevented the shooting that day but the overall need for adults to mentor and connect with kids to prevent incidents from escalating to the point where someone brings a gun to school to settle an argument.

[Anonymous]

Elrich has blood on his hands for pulling SROs out.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s silly people think an SRO would have stopped this.

well, we will never know now.

How many school shootings and/or arrest of a student who brought a gun to school has MCPS had, pre and post SRO removal?

What we KNOW is that a SRO would have drastically changed the response. The first 911 call was for a "community" officer for a school. It wasn't for an emergency police response for a school shooting. Precious time elapsed that allowed the shooter to hide in a classroom that was already in lockdown. Why was he allowed to enter that classroom after the lockdown?
An SRO would have locked the school down faster and trapped the shooter in the hall where he could have been apprehended instead of hiding.

I disagree wholeheartedly. These schools are huge. Unless the SRO was literally in the hallway it occurred in and happened to witness the event, they wouldn’t have known who it was or even what happened for several minutes. Obviously, teachers are trained to scan the hallway and collect all students they see before locking down so the shooter was probably pulled in by a teacher anyway. The way it played out may have gotten officers in the school a couple minutes quicker but the end result would have been the same. I am impressed that they maintained calm, found the student, and AVOIDED any more injuries. If they wouldn’t have been so careful, I believe the student would have been much more likely to freak out and turn the event into a mass shooting. I get it guys, we feel the natural need to criticize (cmon, you guys can’t really are about the color of people coats and ties, right?) because the kids we love the most are inside of those buildings. We NEED gun control NOW!

Your "probably" is not what happened.
Two hours to find a student with a gun inside a school wasn't being careful. The police thought the shooter had run out the door across the field. That's where they were looking first.

Holding the students hostage for 3 hours after the shooter was taken down and removed from the classroom is absurd. Students peeing in bottles was necessary because?????

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Hopefully there are lessons learned from this and more can be done do this doesn’t happen again. What lessons will we learn?

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Anonymous wrote:It’s silly people think an SRO would have stopped this.

well, we will never know now.

How many school shootings and/or arrest of a student who brought a gun to school has MCPS had, pre and post SRO removal?

What we KNOW is that a SRO would have drastically changed the response. The first 911 call was for a "community" officer for a school. It wasn't for an emergency police response for a school shooting. Precious time elapsed that allowed the shooter to hide in a classroom that was already in lockdown. Why was he allowed to enter that classroom after the lockdown?
An SRO would have locked the school down faster and trapped the shooter in the hall where he could have been apprehended instead of hiding.

I disagree wholeheartedly. These schools are huge. Unless the SRO was literally in the hallway it occurred in and happened to witness the event, they wouldn’t have known who it was or even what happened for several minutes. Obviously, teachers are trained to scan the hallway and collect all students they see before locking down so the shooter was probably pulled in by a teacher anyway. The way it played out may have gotten officers in the school a couple minutes quicker but the end result would have been the same. I am impressed that they maintained calm, found the student, and AVOIDED any more injuries. If they wouldn’t have been so careful, I believe the student would have been much more likely to freak out and turn the event into a mass shooting. I get it guys, we feel the natural need to criticize (cmon, you guys can’t really are about the color of people coats and ties, right?) because the kids we love the most are inside of those buildings. We NEED gun control NOW!

IMO, it's not just about whether an SRO in the school could have prevented the shooting that day but the overall need for adults to mentor and connect with kids to prevent incidents from escalating to the point where someone brings a gun to school to settle an argument.

DP here. The overall need for adults to mentor and connect with the kids is EXACTLY the reason why we need SROs back. Look at Seneca Valley and how the principal felt compelled to ask volunteer dads to do this very thing. Why doesn't the county value our students enough to pay for this? Why do we have to resort to volunteers to make up for this deficiency? I am sick and tired of these clueless idiots running this county and this school system.

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Anonymous wrote:Bring back SROs in school. If you do not want your kids interacting with SROs, then you should teach them not to bring knives and guns to school or follow some tiktok challenge to deface school property.

In short, teach them not to act like animals.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look a shady rapper wannabe brings a ghost gun to school to specifically shoot one person. Just one. He could have used a knife, bat, fists. It was never an active shooter thing

Doesn't him, you know, SHOOTING someone make it an "active shooter thing?" Since you seem so in the know, what was the motive?

Finding a wounded person in the bathroom is not an "active shooter" situation. It's a "someone was shot" situation.

Wrong

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Look a shady rapper wannabe brings a ghost gun to school to specifically shoot one person. Just one. He could have used a knife, bat, fists. It was never an active shooter thing

Doesn't him, you know, SHOOTING someone make it an "active shooter thing?" Since you seem so in the know, what was the motive?

Finding a wounded person in the bathroom is not an "active shooter" situation. It's a "someone was shot" situation.

Wrong

+1 It was a shooter is loose in the building situation. The victim's first words to nurse were I've been shot. Huge clue there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bring back SROs in school. If you do not want your kids interacting with SROs, then you should teach them not to bring knives and guns to school or follow some tiktok challenge to deface school property.

In short, teach them not to act like animals.

which animal behaves like this? Animals treat each other much better than we do. Hunger aside.

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I hate when we criticize women for their clothes but here it was warranted. The child was in surgery but could have died or might still die though hopefully not. This was a sober scary worst nightmare scenario with kids locked in classrooms still. Dark coat. Don’t make it look like you did your hair first. There should not have been time.

The more important question is why did she stay home until time for the presser? Shouldn't she have at least headed to her office? This was a crisis event--I would have expected her to go to the school.

She wasn't at home.

Come on! Her office is 10 min from the school Of course she was coming from PG County.

Does Dr. McKnight live in PG County?

Yes. Her family is also recovering from covid, so I'm guessing she was working from home. I thought the speech was....suboptimal and hit the wrong tone, but I'm not going to come down hard on a working mom who was home with sick kids. The error here wasn't that she was in PG. It was that she was in PG and insisted on doing the briefing herself rather than delegating someone if she couldn't get there in time.

Sick kids? Everyone here insists that Covid is nothing worse than a cold

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I hate when we criticize women for their clothes but here it was warranted. The child was in surgery but could have died or might still die though hopefully not. This was a sober scary worst nightmare scenario with kids locked in classrooms still. Dark coat. Don’t make it look like you did your hair first. There should not have been time.

The more important question is why did she stay home until time for the presser? Shouldn't she have at least headed to her office? This was a crisis event--I would have expected her to go to the school.

She wasn't at home.

Come on! Her office is 10 min from the school Of course she was coming from PG County.

Does Dr. McKnight live in PG County?

Yes. Her family is also recovering from covid, so I'm guessing she was working from home. I thought the speech was....suboptimal and hit the wrong tone, but I'm not going to come down hard on a working mom who was home with sick kids. The error here wasn't that she was in PG. It was that she was in PG and insisted on doing the briefing herself rather than delegating someone if she couldn't get there in time.

Why couldn’t students have been sent home before the briefing. Her speech did not even say anything. What was the point?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure this is a very naive question but why didn’t anyone hear the gunshot? The victim was found in the bathroom not that someone heard the gunshot?

I was wondering the same. The only thing I could think of was that it happened during transition time when it's fairly loud in the hallway. But, IDK. It's a good question.

Schools have very solid walls and doors. A gun shot would sound a lot like slamming a door in your house outside and far from the bathroom. Double so if you are in classroom with thick walls. I didn't hear it all in the building. None of my students did.
-Magruder teacher.

My kid goes to Magruder and the level of violence (fights, fight club/slap boxing/robbery) is pretty overwhelming right now. What would you like to see done to reduce that?

DP

I have a kid in a different nonW cluster and she reports the same. Lunch time is chaos.

MCPS needs to do something to ensure school safety for the kids who do attend school to get an education.

Yes same here with a kid in a different cluster. You parents who keep using the school to prison tagline to keep SROs out of mcps should be ashamed of yourself. There was never a school to prison pipeline at MCPS and having SROs in a school building of 2500 students were certainly not the cause of majority of school arrests. If you all had looked at the data and listened and believed all the HS principals you would know that. But instead you'd rather listen to an old white man who has never walked into a HS hallway in this county or you'd rather listen to the council member who has a known grudge with the police. Ask your kid to show you TikTok videos of the school fights that are happening at their schools and tell me SROs aren't needed.

Right now, at this moment in MCPS, what we really need is a surge of adults (security, dads on duty, etc.) simply monitoring halls in the high schools. The amount of hall-walking & class skipping is out of control, and there simply aren't enough adults available to manage it. Too many kids are far more interested in things other than academics during school time. They bring neighborhood drama to school and they escalate things while at school. One SRO isn't going to change the fact that at any moment in my high school I can glance down the hall and see 6-10 kids out of classrooms. Multiply that by about 8 similar hallways, and that's a lot of kids roaming. Just having more adult presence around would quell a lot of that behavior, and then there is less opportunity for the kids to escalate things.

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I think this is a major issue in all the middle and high schools now. There are no consequences for lateness/tarries. I can’t even figure out how to write a referral for skipping class or being late too many times.

Huge issue at the high school where I teach as well. We don’t have enough security guards. Kids hang out in the hallways and outside during class time. Kids even smoke pot in the woods right by our school and come to class high and reeking of pot

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I hate when we criticize women for their clothes but here it was warranted. The child was in surgery but could have died or might still die though hopefully not. This was a sober scary worst nightmare scenario with kids locked in classrooms still. Dark coat. Don’t make it look like you did your hair first. There should not have been time.

The more important question is why did she stay home until time for the presser? Shouldn't she have at least headed to her office? This was a crisis event--I would have expected her to go to the school.

She wasn't at home.

Come on! Her office is 10 min from the school Of course she was coming from PG County.

Does Dr. McKnight live in PG County?

Yes. Her family is also recovering from covid, so I'm guessing she was working from home. I thought the speech was....suboptimal and hit the wrong tone, but I'm not going to come down hard on a working mom who was home with sick kids. The error here wasn't that she was in PG. It was that she was in PG and insisted on doing the briefing herself rather than delegating someone if she couldn't get there in time.

If she is recovering from Covid, why wasn’t she wearing the MCPS supplied KN95. Fashion over protecting others I guess.

I do have a problem when the top leaders in MCPS are living outside Montgomery County. So many live out of county and out of state. With the added layer of not even traveling to Central Office, they loose touch with the community that they serve. They also do a poor job managing the people underneath them. When the cat is away the mice will play. Try calling Central Office and no one is answering the phones.

McKnight wasn't working from home.

Where was she coming from? Was she just delayed because she was writing her speech. I do understand that except she said absolutely nothing in her speech