Gaza War, Part 2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ceasefire sounds well and good, but will not help get rid of Hamas because they don’t negotiate.

Hostage negotiatons were ongoing
This stopped when Israel started the bombing and ground operations

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But I think people are slowly becoming more aware of what they’re accidentally signing up for, now that Hamas has escalated this situation. Young people are having second thoughts. I think Hamas seriously miscalculated on 10/7. Burned a lot of sympathy.

I think it’s very much the opposite. I think the goodwill many had unquestioningly for Israel is forever gone.

This is a genocide.

As time passes, and more details emerge, Israel will forever be branded a genocidal nation. It’s a matter of time before that catches up with them. I don’t think the US is going to stop supporting them immediately but our complicity is another way that US is declining on the world stage.

Biden has already sealed his legacy as genocide denier.

Most reasonable people would react like Israel to an attack like Oct 7. This is actually a pretty measured response. How do you think, I don't know, an Iran would respond? Reasonable people are not "branding Israel as a genocidal nation". The appropriation and hyperbole, wow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ceasefire sounds well and good, but will not help get rid of Hamas because they don’t negotiate.

Hostage negotiatons were ongoing
This stopped when Israel started the bombing and ground operations

And you know this how?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So what will be the political fallout?
Israel cannot live in peace with Palestinians, that we can agree on.
How are any long term plans being accomplished?
American politics are due to change with each and every president, but Israel will still be surrounded by their neighbors

I don’t agree on that first point. Hamas and Israel cannot coexist. Palestine and Israel can. Two states.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ceasefire sounds well and good, but will not help get rid of Hamas because they don’t negotiate.

Hostage negotiatons were ongoing
This stopped when Israel started the bombing and ground operations

And you know this how?

I haven’t seen that they stopped.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ceasefire sounds well and good, but will not help get rid of Hamas because they don’t negotiate.

Hostage negotiatons were ongoing
This stopped when Israel started the bombing and ground operations

The hostage situation is terrible, which is what Hamas wants. "human leverage" right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ceasefire sounds well and good, but will not help get rid of Hamas because they don’t negotiate.

Well, the soldiers don’t. But the leadership sitting over in Qatar living the good life, they have something to lose. I think we will see a ceasefire at some point. And I think Hamas is out in the near term.

Hamas Charter:

“There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

Sure. But there’s no honor among thieves. The fat cats will run.

Slogans are fun, aren’t they? But they aren’t reality.

It’s not a slogan. It’s an idiom. And it reflects many millennia of human behavior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ceasefire sounds well and good, but will not help get rid of Hamas because they don’t negotiate.

Well, the soldiers don’t. But the leadership sitting over in Qatar living the good life, they have something to lose. I think we will see a ceasefire at some point. And I think Hamas is out in the near term.

Hamas Charter:

“There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

Sure. But there’s no honor among thieves. The fat cats will run.

Slogans are fun, aren’t they? But they aren’t reality.

It’s not a slogan. It’s an idiom. And it reflects many millennia of human behavior.

Uh huh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But I think people are slowly becoming more aware of what they’re accidentally signing up for, now that Hamas has escalated this situation. Young people are having second thoughts. I think Hamas seriously miscalculated on 10/7. Burned a lot of sympathy.

I think it’s very much the opposite. I think the goodwill many had unquestioningly for Israel is forever gone.

This is a genocide.

As time passes, and more details emerge, Israel will forever be branded a genocidal nation. It’s a matter of time before that catches up with them. I don’t think the US is going to stop supporting them immediately but our complicity is another way that US is declining on the world stage.

Biden has already sealed his legacy as genocide denier.

Most reasonable people would react like Israel to an attack like Oct 7. This is actually a pretty measured response. How do you think, I don't know, an Iran would respond? Reasonable people are not "branding Israel as a genocidal nation". The appropriation and hyperbole, wow.

Wow. You think this response is measured? What would an Iran do that is worse? Deploy nuclear weapons?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ceasefire sounds well and good, but will not help get rid of Hamas because they don’t negotiate.

Well, the soldiers don’t. But the leadership sitting over in Qatar living the good life, they have something to lose. I think we will see a ceasefire at some point. And I think Hamas is out in the near term.

Hamas Charter:

“There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

Sure. But there’s no honor among thieves. The fat cats will run.

Slogans are fun, aren’t they? But they aren’t reality.

It’s not a slogan. It’s an idiom. And it reflects many millennia of human behavior.

Uh huh.

English not your first language? Do you know what the idiom means? It means that corrupt leaders never live up to the standards they set for their followers. Hamas is undoubtedly led by corrupt men. They’ll take a deal that preserves their safety and comfort.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ceasefire sounds well and good, but will not help get rid of Hamas because they don’t negotiate.

Hostage negotiatons were ongoing
This stopped when Israel started the bombing and ground operations

And you know this how?

This is from bbc

A deal to release all civilians looked close before talks stalled over certain details,” says a diplomat briefed on the highly sensitive talks being mediated by the Gulf state of Qatar where some of Hamas’s political leaders are based. Only four captives have been released so far.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ceasefire sounds well and good, but will not help get rid of Hamas because they don’t negotiate.

Hostage negotiatons were ongoing
This stopped when Israel started the bombing and ground operations

And you know this how?

This is from bbc

A deal to release all civilians looked close before talks stalled over certain details,” says a diplomat briefed on the highly sensitive talks being mediated by the Gulf state of Qatar where some of Hamas’s political leaders are based. Only four captives have been released so far.

21 hours ago:

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/qatar-told-us-it-is-open-reconsidering-hamas-presence-us-official-says-2023-10-27/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ceasefire sounds well and good, but will not help get rid of Hamas because they don’t negotiate.

Well, the soldiers don’t. But the leadership sitting over in Qatar living the good life, they have something to lose. I think we will see a ceasefire at some point. And I think Hamas is out in the near term.

Hamas Charter:

“There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

Sure. But there’s no honor among thieves. The fat cats will run.

Slogans are fun, aren’t they? But they aren’t reality.

It’s not a slogan. It’s an idiom. And it reflects many millennia of human behavior.

Uh huh.

English not your first language? Do you know what the idiom means? It means that corrupt leaders never live up to the standards they set for their followers. Hamas is undoubtedly led by corrupt men. They’ll take a deal that preserves their safety and comfort.

Like UBL did? Oh wait.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what will be the political fallout?
Israel cannot live in peace with Palestinians, that we can agree on.
How are any long term plans being accomplished?
American politics are due to change with each and every president, but Israel will still be surrounded by their neighbors

I don’t agree on that first point. Hamas and Israel cannot coexist. Palestine and Israel can. Two states.

I don’t agree. Look at the West Bank. No Hamas and Israelis keep killing them over there too and stealing their land.

[Anonymous]

Or was “corrupt men” poster talking about ISIS? They totally cut a deal.

Oh wait.