Gaza War, Part 2

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Anonymous wrote:I see Israel as the underdog—surrounded by enemies, hated by the UN, the list goes on. It really is fighting a multi-front war.

That’s quite the definition of underdog.

The country with the most sophisticated military in the region that also happens to be closely allied with the country boasting the most powerful military in the world. And they’re fighting an impoverished population that doesn’t even control their own water.

I don’t think underdog means what you think it means.

+1

Exactly.

Don't start a war if you don't want to fight one particularly if you are impoverished.

I believe this is more conventionally known as the "Know your place, boy" argument ...

Wait what? What are you talking about? I am confused. This isn't the American South where African Americans (my people) at times were called uppity if they were successful, your comparison doesn't make any sense. You are so used to use our struggle to try to justify whatever it is you think you are going through that you are now getting sloppy.

Restatement: I believe this is more conventionally known as the "Know your place, boy" argument ...

The fact that one diverse group was subjected to inhumanity across hundreds of years of slavery, having been shoved into the ground using this same phrase doesn't mean that another group cannot also suffer a grotesque fate (specifically, the sustained, humiliating, intentionally provocative order by "their betters" to accept their station in society and STFU about it, lest they get a good and thorough beating). You don't have exclusive rights to being marginalized by bad people. Today, the lynching is delivered at arms length via gleaming F-22 fighter jets that one side is gifted by guess who?

Uncle Sam, back at it again!

Again, you missed the whole point of "don't start a war you don't want to fight"--the point is go fight the war but don't complain when who you fight, fights back. Again, to cheaply gain sympathy from African Americans, you are making a comparison that literally makes no sense in the context of the conversation. No one is talking about no keep yourself in your place (yes I am using a double negative like a good black person when we are really trying to emphasize something by using AAVE intentionally)

Those "complaining" are not the actors in the drama. The complainers are the rest of the civilized world. Who do you imagine ISN'T howling at what's been occurring for the past three weeks?

The complainers didn't start the war. They're also not fighting the war. But they are well within the bounds of society to seek and end to the atrocities that have taken place on both side in the past three weeks. They don't need your approval, nor anyone's.

Look, if you like to see or hear that humans are being blown apart every day for three weeks, I guess you have to look within and find what makes you actually tick because it sure as hell isn't compassion.

This is not true, you act as if the Palestinians have had this immense power to galvanize the world to share their opinion and that is not true. Despite what you think this issue is not at the forefront of people's minds. In other words, the world population doesn't hate Jews as much as you do, you might think people are sitting around so irritated by Jews as much as you are but that is not true. I am learning that anti semetics use this language a lot, that the whole world know this or that about jews. Their hate is so insidious they think it is natural and that everyone feels it. In any event, even if the whole world hated Isreal, that doesn't mean that feeling is right (but again I don't think this is true anyway)

Seriously, what is wrong with you? Why does everything distill into "You hate the Jews"? This pathological need to label others as anti-semitic, without even knowing who they are, what they believe, or anything else is staggering to me. Nothing in anything I've written here or elsewhere in my lifetime expressed hatred for Jewish people. Do you just assign hatred whenever someone doesn't fold in the echo chamber and calls BS?

I’ve read much of the original thread and the arguments for Israel boil down to:

Well what do YOU think Israel should do? (Respect the Palestinians in the first place and not empower Hamas)

And

Objecting to Israel is antisemitism.

Everything in the 1000+ page thread boils down to these two sentiments. It’s very hard work to justify the collective punishment and annihilation of 2 million people, and posters here are lazy.

Respect them in the first place or you would have not been terrorized--sounding like street thugs who are always talking about pride and honor if you disrespect me I will cap you! Life isn't a 90s rap video Palestine supporters. Yeah so pin the post above so we can all see that yes, they see the Hamas attack as justified, because they were disrespected.

Would someone please translate the above.

It's an old person trying to sound hip to a bunch of middle aged people

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But I think people are slowly becoming more aware of what they’re accidentally signing up for, now that Hamas has escalated this situation. Young people are having second thoughts. I think Hamas seriously miscalculated on 10/7. Burned a lot of sympathy.

I think it’s very much the opposite. I think the goodwill many had unquestioningly for Israel is forever gone.

I’m betting on a different horse. People are starting to learn more about what Hamas is, and what role it has played in Gaza. A few weeks ago, college kids had no idea that Gaza wasn’t governed by Israel. They bought the apartheid analogy. Now, a few weeks in, people are learning the truth and are starting to question wtf Hamas is doing with all of the money it has (and where it gets it).

Hostages are not free yet. Hamas can end this war, and probably will surrender, after its leaders run to Iran.

People have learned the Israel controls the water, food, electricity and fuel that goes into Gaza. People have learned that Palestinians are fenced in or out, however you want to describe the situation. When you control the basic necessities such as food and water, Israel you control Gaza.

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Anonymous wrote:But I think people are slowly becoming more aware of what they’re accidentally signing up for, now that Hamas has escalated this situation. Young people are having second thoughts. I think Hamas seriously miscalculated on 10/7. Burned a lot of sympathy.

I think it’s very much the opposite. I think the goodwill many had unquestioningly for Israel is forever gone.

I grew up watching mainstream news, and news about the Israel-Palestinian conflict never made sense. The commentary was always “Palestinians did X, and 90 Israelis died in the fighting. Israel responded and 500 Palestinians died.” Footage would always be of Israeli people, with like a split second of suspicious looking Arab men running about.

I think most people don’t think too hard about this kind of coverage.

Then social media came along. I am seeing instagram posts FROM people in Gaza, describing what is happening. How they can’t shower, how they don’t know where their families are, how children are trapped in the rubble. And so, I think a lot of people are beginning to put some pieces together and are realizing… Israel doesn’t seem like such a “good guy.”

Then of course there is the fact that Israel is described as an ally in the Middle East but we never actually hear about them actually doing anything good or beneficial for the US. We don’t really understand the purpose of utility of Israel.

Then of course we always hear about the billions and billions of dollars that go to Israel while Americans struggle to pay their bills. Israelis have universal healthcare and we don’t.

I think things are inevitably changing.

How anti-semitic are you willing to go, bub? You just cannot contain your hatred for the Jews, right?

It's there for all of us to see, we see you!

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I just wanted to try that out. To read something completely rational and reasonable, but somehow find the keystrokes to label it as hate speech. What a weird feeling to paint every branch on a tree the same color. In the long term, it's tragically sad, actually. The children of these people are being taught to perpetuate this never-ending victim card as we sit here tonight.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But I think people are slowly becoming more aware of what they’re accidentally signing up for, now that Hamas has escalated this situation. Young people are having second thoughts. I think Hamas seriously miscalculated on 10/7. Burned a lot of sympathy.

I think it’s very much the opposite. I think the goodwill many had unquestioningly for Israel is forever gone.

I grew up watching mainstream news, and news about the Israel-Palestinian conflict never made sense. The commentary was always “Palestinians did X, and 90 Israelis died in the fighting. Israel responded and 500 Palestinians died.” Footage would always be of Israeli people, with like a split second of suspicious looking Arab men running about.

I think most people don’t think too hard about this kind of coverage.

Then social media came along. I am seeing instagram posts FROM people in Gaza, describing what is happening. How they can’t shower, how they don’t know where their families are, how children are trapped in the rubble. And so, I think a lot of people are beginning to put some pieces together and are realizing… Israel doesn’t seem like such a “good guy.”

Then of course there is the fact that Israel is described as an ally in the Middle East but we never actually hear about them actually doing anything good or beneficial for the US. We don’t really understand the purpose of utility of Israel.

Then of course we always hear about the billions and billions of dollars that go to Israel while Americans struggle to pay their bills. Israelis have universal healthcare and we don’t.

I think things are inevitably changing.

What is changing? You are sitting on social media absorbing rhetoric while eating fast food bed rotting. You are not the Israeli govt they are going to do what they need to do despite the tik tok brigade.

Oh no not the tik tok brigade, persuade me harder while I - what was that? Do a little “Fast food bed rotting.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But I think people are slowly becoming more aware of what they’re accidentally signing up for, now that Hamas has escalated this situation. Young people are having second thoughts. I think Hamas seriously miscalculated on 10/7. Burned a lot of sympathy.

I think it’s very much the opposite. I think the goodwill many had unquestioningly for Israel is forever gone.

I grew up watching mainstream news, and news about the Israel-Palestinian conflict never made sense. The commentary was always “Palestinians did X, and 90 Israelis died in the fighting. Israel responded and 500 Palestinians died.” Footage would always be of Israeli people, with like a split second of suspicious looking Arab men running about.

I think most people don’t think too hard about this kind of coverage.

Then social media came along. I am seeing instagram posts FROM people in Gaza, describing what is happening. How they can’t shower, how they don’t know where their families are, how children are trapped in the rubble. And so, I think a lot of people are beginning to put some pieces together and are realizing… Israel doesn’t seem like such a “good guy.”

Then of course there is the fact that Israel is described as an ally in the Middle East but we never actually hear about them actually doing anything good or beneficial for the US. We don’t really understand the purpose of utility of Israel.

Then of course we always hear about the billions and billions of dollars that go to Israel while Americans struggle to pay their bills. Israelis have universal healthcare and we don’t.

I think things are inevitably changing.

What is changing? You are sitting on social media absorbing rhetoric while eating fast food bed rotting. You are not the Israeli govt they are going to do what they need to do despite the tik tok brigade.

I guess I hit a nerve. 😂😂😂. Keep it classy!

What is fast food bed rotting? Am I missing out on something?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But I think people are slowly becoming more aware of what they’re accidentally signing up for, now that Hamas has escalated this situation. Young people are having second thoughts. I think Hamas seriously miscalculated on 10/7. Burned a lot of sympathy.

I think it’s very much the opposite. I think the goodwill many had unquestioningly for Israel is forever gone.

I grew up watching mainstream news, and news about the Israel-Palestinian conflict never made sense. The commentary was always “Palestinians did X, and 90 Israelis died in the fighting. Israel responded and 500 Palestinians died.” Footage would always be of Israeli people, with like a split second of suspicious looking Arab men running about.

I think most people don’t think too hard about this kind of coverage.

Then social media came along. I am seeing instagram posts FROM people in Gaza, describing what is happening. How they can’t shower, how they don’t know where their families are, how children are trapped in the rubble. And so, I think a lot of people are beginning to put some pieces together and are realizing… Israel doesn’t seem like such a “good guy.”

Then of course there is the fact that Israel is described as an ally in the Middle East but we never actually hear about them actually doing anything good or beneficial for the US. We don’t really understand the purpose of utility of Israel.

Then of course we always hear about the billions and billions of dollars that go to Israel while Americans struggle to pay their bills. Israelis have universal healthcare and we don’t.

I think things are inevitably changing.

How anti-semitic are you willing to go, bub? You just cannot contain your hatred for the Jews, right?

It's there for all of us to see, we see you!

---

I just wanted to try that out. To read something completely rational and reasonable, but somehow find the keystrokes to label it as hate speech. What a weird feeling to paint every branch on a tree the same color. In the long term, it's tragically sad, actually. The children of these people are being taught to perpetuate this never-ending victim card as we sit here tonight.

DP. And there it is. Any criticism of the Israeli government gets you labeled antisemitism. How unoriginal.

[Anonymous]

We need fast food bed rotting in the Olympics, of that I'm almost sure. But I'm also torn between Tik Tok brigades at the moment, so I can probably be persuaded otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:I see Israel as the underdog—surrounded by enemies, hated by the UN, the list goes on. It really is fighting a multi-front war.

That’s quite the definition of underdog.

The country with the most sophisticated military in the region that also happens to be closely allied with the country boasting the most powerful military in the world. And they’re fighting an impoverished population that doesn’t even control their own water.

I don’t think underdog means what you think it means.

+1

Exactly.

Don't start a war if you don't want to fight one particularly if you are impoverished.

I believe this is more conventionally known as the "Know your place, boy" argument ...

Wait what? What are you talking about? I am confused. This isn't the American South where African Americans (my people) at times were called uppity if they were successful, your comparison doesn't make any sense. You are so used to use our struggle to try to justify whatever it is you think you are going through that you are now getting sloppy.

Restatement: I believe this is more conventionally known as the "Know your place, boy" argument ...

The fact that one diverse group was subjected to inhumanity across hundreds of years of slavery, having been shoved into the ground using this same phrase doesn't mean that another group cannot also suffer a grotesque fate (specifically, the sustained, humiliating, intentionally provocative order by "their betters" to accept their station in society and STFU about it, lest they get a good and thorough beating). You don't have exclusive rights to being marginalized by bad people. Today, the lynching is delivered at arms length via gleaming F-22 fighter jets that one side is gifted by guess who?

Uncle Sam, back at it again!

Again, you missed the whole point of "don't start a war you don't want to fight"--the point is go fight the war but don't complain when who you fight, fights back. Again, to cheaply gain sympathy from African Americans, you are making a comparison that literally makes no sense in the context of the conversation. No one is talking about no keep yourself in your place (yes I am using a double negative like a good black person when we are really trying to emphasize something by using AAVE intentionally)

Those "complaining" are not the actors in the drama. The complainers are the rest of the civilized world. Who do you imagine ISN'T howling at what's been occurring for the past three weeks?

The complainers didn't start the war. They're also not fighting the war. But they are well within the bounds of society to seek and end to the atrocities that have taken place on both side in the past three weeks. They don't need your approval, nor anyone's.

Look, if you like to see or hear that humans are being blown apart every day for three weeks, I guess you have to look within and find what makes you actually tick because it sure as hell isn't compassion.

This is not true, you act as if the Palestinians have had this immense power to galvanize the world to share their opinion and that is not true. Despite what you think this issue is not at the forefront of people's minds. In other words, the world population doesn't hate Jews as much as you do, you might think people are sitting around so irritated by Jews as much as you are but that is not true. I am learning that anti semetics use this language a lot, that the whole world know this or that about jews. Their hate is so insidious they think it is natural and that everyone feels it. In any event, even if the whole world hated Isreal, that doesn't mean that feeling is right (but again I don't think this is true anyway)

Seriously, what is wrong with you? Why does everything distill into "You hate the Jews"? This pathological need to label others as anti-semitic, without even knowing who they are, what they believe, or anything else is staggering to me. Nothing in anything I've written here or elsewhere in my lifetime expressed hatred for Jewish people. Do you just assign hatred whenever someone doesn't fold in the echo chamber and calls BS?

I’ve read much of the original thread and the arguments for Israel boil down to:

Well what do YOU think Israel should do? (Respect the Palestinians in the first place and not empower Hamas)

And

Objecting to Israel is antisemitism.

Everything in the 1000+ page thread boils down to these two sentiments. It’s very hard work to justify the collective punishment and annihilation of 2 million people, and posters here are lazy.

Respect them in the first place or you would have not been terrorized--sounding like street thugs who are always talking about pride and honor if you disrespect me I will cap you! Life isn't a 90s rap video Palestine supporters. Yeah so pin the post above so we can all see that yes, they see the Hamas attack as justified, because they were disrespected.

Again, let’s establish something:

Israel created Hamas. Then Israel empowered Hamas.

I guess that was a bad idea.

Sorry, you can’t pretend that Israel is a good faith actor or that the Palestinians, as a people, have been treated fairly or that history began on October 7. It just doesn’t work that way! The history is there for people to figure out.

Israel did not create Hamas. That’s a bit of a distortion.

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Anonymous wrote:I see Israel as the underdog—surrounded by enemies, hated by the UN, the list goes on. It really is fighting a multi-front war.

That’s quite the definition of underdog.

The country with the most sophisticated military in the region that also happens to be closely allied with the country boasting the most powerful military in the world. And they’re fighting an impoverished population that doesn’t even control their own water.

I don’t think underdog means what you think it means.

+1

Exactly.

Don't start a war if you don't want to fight one particularly if you are impoverished.

I believe this is more conventionally known as the "Know your place, boy" argument ...

Wait what? What are you talking about? I am confused. This isn't the American South where African Americans (my people) at times were called uppity if they were successful, your comparison doesn't make any sense. You are so used to use our struggle to try to justify whatever it is you think you are going through that you are now getting sloppy.

Restatement: I believe this is more conventionally known as the "Know your place, boy" argument ...

The fact that one diverse group was subjected to inhumanity across hundreds of years of slavery, having been shoved into the ground using this same phrase doesn't mean that another group cannot also suffer a grotesque fate (specifically, the sustained, humiliating, intentionally provocative order by "their betters" to accept their station in society and STFU about it, lest they get a good and thorough beating). You don't have exclusive rights to being marginalized by bad people. Today, the lynching is delivered at arms length via gleaming F-22 fighter jets that one side is gifted by guess who?

Uncle Sam, back at it again!

Again, you missed the whole point of "don't start a war you don't want to fight"--the point is go fight the war but don't complain when who you fight, fights back. Again, to cheaply gain sympathy from African Americans, you are making a comparison that literally makes no sense in the context of the conversation. No one is talking about no keep yourself in your place (yes I am using a double negative like a good black person when we are really trying to emphasize something by using AAVE intentionally)

Those "complaining" are not the actors in the drama. The complainers are the rest of the civilized world. Who do you imagine ISN'T howling at what's been occurring for the past three weeks?

The complainers didn't start the war. They're also not fighting the war. But they are well within the bounds of society to seek and end to the atrocities that have taken place on both side in the past three weeks. They don't need your approval, nor anyone's.

Look, if you like to see or hear that humans are being blown apart every day for three weeks, I guess you have to look within and find what makes you actually tick because it sure as hell isn't compassion.

This is not true, you act as if the Palestinians have had this immense power to galvanize the world to share their opinion and that is not true. Despite what you think this issue is not at the forefront of people's minds. In other words, the world population doesn't hate Jews as much as you do, you might think people are sitting around so irritated by Jews as much as you are but that is not true. I am learning that anti semetics use this language a lot, that the whole world know this or that about jews. Their hate is so insidious they think it is natural and that everyone feels it. In any event, even if the whole world hated Isreal, that doesn't mean that feeling is right (but again I don't think this is true anyway)

Seriously, what is wrong with you? Why does everything distill into "You hate the Jews"? This pathological need to label others as anti-semitic, without even knowing who they are, what they believe, or anything else is staggering to me. Nothing in anything I've written here or elsewhere in my lifetime expressed hatred for Jewish people. Do you just assign hatred whenever someone doesn't fold in the echo chamber and calls BS?

I’ve read much of the original thread and the arguments for Israel boil down to:

Well what do YOU think Israel should do? (Respect the Palestinians in the first place and not empower Hamas)

And

Objecting to Israel is antisemitism.

Everything in the 1000+ page thread boils down to these two sentiments. It’s very hard work to justify the collective punishment and annihilation of 2 million people, and posters here are lazy.

Respect them in the first place or you would have not been terrorized--sounding like street thugs who are always talking about pride and honor if you disrespect me I will cap you! Life isn't a 90s rap video Palestine supporters. Yeah so pin the post above so we can all see that yes, they see the Hamas attack as justified, because they were disrespected.

Would someone please translate the above.

It's an old person trying to sound hip to a bunch of middle aged people

Hello, fellow kids!

I think the reference to 90s rap videos is a solemn homage to Rumpshaker. All he wants to do is go bomb bomb all the Gaza-ans.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But I think people are slowly becoming more aware of what they’re accidentally signing up for, now that Hamas has escalated this situation. Young people are having second thoughts. I think Hamas seriously miscalculated on 10/7. Burned a lot of sympathy.

I think it’s very much the opposite. I think the goodwill many had unquestioningly for Israel is forever gone.

I grew up watching mainstream news, and news about the Israel-Palestinian conflict never made sense. The commentary was always “Palestinians did X, and 90 Israelis died in the fighting. Israel responded and 500 Palestinians died.” Footage would always be of Israeli people, with like a split second of suspicious looking Arab men running about.

I think most people don’t think too hard about this kind of coverage.

Then social media came along. I am seeing instagram posts FROM people in Gaza, describing what is happening. How they can’t shower, how they don’t know where their families are, how children are trapped in the rubble. And so, I think a lot of people are beginning to put some pieces together and are realizing… Israel doesn’t seem like such a “good guy.”

Then of course there is the fact that Israel is described as an ally in the Middle East but we never actually hear about them actually doing anything good or beneficial for the US. We don’t really understand the purpose of utility of Israel.

Then of course we always hear about the billions and billions of dollars that go to Israel while Americans struggle to pay their bills. Israelis have universal healthcare and we don’t.

I think things are inevitably changing.

What is changing? You are sitting on social media absorbing rhetoric while eating fast food bed rotting. You are not the Israeli govt they are going to do what they need to do despite the tik tok brigade.

I guess I hit a nerve. 😂😂😂. Keep it classy!

What is fast food bed rotting? Am I missing out on something?

It’s a harsh burn, but legal, unlike white phosphorus (which Israel is totally correct to use on everyone, okurrrr).

[Anonymous]

The goal of Hamas is not to preserve the lives of its human shields. It seeks to broaden the conflict to the entire region and make Israel and the US pay for their decades of hostility. The more Palestinian children die on social media, the more outrage it can drum up, the happier it is. It is too soon to tell whether it will reach its objectives, but for right now, I think it's not losing.

Netanyahu's government pays lip service to the rules of engagement, but really couldn't care less about the lives of the human shields around Hamas, and truthfully it cares little for the hostages. It wants total destruction of Hamas, because that pleases its far-right base. An there are advantages to retaliation: already new Israeli "settlers" have taken the opportunity to chase more Palestinian families from the West Bank, with complete impunity. But support from the broader Israeli population is temporary only. Support for a land war in Gaza has plummeted (survey: Oct 19, 65% supported a land incursion; more recently 49% prefer to temporarily halt going into Gaza). Netanyahu, like Trump, desperately clings to power to avoid jail time. He wants to profit off this war to gain some public support and make himself relevant. I think he will fail. Everyone hates him. I saw on French TV some families of Franco-Israeli hostages criticize him roundly.

However, despite public opinion around the world being rather against Israel right now (if you consider the entire world, not just EU and USA), it won't change a thing for Western governments. Ties to Israel run too deep to sever or even reduce. There is intelligence sharing, technology sharing, financial support, close connections at the top-most levels of governments. Western politicians hope that this conflict will be of short duration so the status quo can return (minus thousands of Palestinians, not that they care) and they can keep ignoring the problem.

But if they do... it will only make the next Middle East conflict that much greater. The region's terrorist groups will have gained a lot of ardent supporters, and influential donors.

The reckoning approaches for Israel. Very slowly.

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Anonymous wrote:I see Israel as the underdog—surrounded by enemies, hated by the UN, the list goes on. It really is fighting a multi-front war.

That’s quite the definition of underdog.

The country with the most sophisticated military in the region that also happens to be closely allied with the country boasting the most powerful military in the world. And they’re fighting an impoverished population that doesn’t even control their own water.

I don’t think underdog means what you think it means.

+1

Exactly.

Don't start a war if you don't want to fight one particularly if you are impoverished.

I believe this is more conventionally known as the "Know your place, boy" argument ...

Wait what? What are you talking about? I am confused. This isn't the American South where African Americans (my people) at times were called uppity if they were successful, your comparison doesn't make any sense. You are so used to use our struggle to try to justify whatever it is you think you are going through that you are now getting sloppy.

Restatement: I believe this is more conventionally known as the "Know your place, boy" argument ...

The fact that one diverse group was subjected to inhumanity across hundreds of years of slavery, having been shoved into the ground using this same phrase doesn't mean that another group cannot also suffer a grotesque fate (specifically, the sustained, humiliating, intentionally provocative order by "their betters" to accept their station in society and STFU about it, lest they get a good and thorough beating). You don't have exclusive rights to being marginalized by bad people. Today, the lynching is delivered at arms length via gleaming F-22 fighter jets that one side is gifted by guess who?

Uncle Sam, back at it again!

Again, you missed the whole point of "don't start a war you don't want to fight"--the point is go fight the war but don't complain when who you fight, fights back. Again, to cheaply gain sympathy from African Americans, you are making a comparison that literally makes no sense in the context of the conversation. No one is talking about no keep yourself in your place (yes I am using a double negative like a good black person when we are really trying to emphasize something by using AAVE intentionally)

Those "complaining" are not the actors in the drama. The complainers are the rest of the civilized world. Who do you imagine ISN'T howling at what's been occurring for the past three weeks?

The complainers didn't start the war. They're also not fighting the war. But they are well within the bounds of society to seek and end to the atrocities that have taken place on both side in the past three weeks. They don't need your approval, nor anyone's.

Look, if you like to see or hear that humans are being blown apart every day for three weeks, I guess you have to look within and find what makes you actually tick because it sure as hell isn't compassion.

This is not true, you act as if the Palestinians have had this immense power to galvanize the world to share their opinion and that is not true. Despite what you think this issue is not at the forefront of people's minds. In other words, the world population doesn't hate Jews as much as you do, you might think people are sitting around so irritated by Jews as much as you are but that is not true. I am learning that anti semetics use this language a lot, that the whole world know this or that about jews. Their hate is so insidious they think it is natural and that everyone feels it. In any event, even if the whole world hated Isreal, that doesn't mean that feeling is right (but again I don't think this is true anyway)

Seriously, what is wrong with you? Why does everything distill into "You hate the Jews"? This pathological need to label others as anti-semitic, without even knowing who they are, what they believe, or anything else is staggering to me. Nothing in anything I've written here or elsewhere in my lifetime expressed hatred for Jewish people. Do you just assign hatred whenever someone doesn't fold in the echo chamber and calls BS?

I’ve read much of the original thread and the arguments for Israel boil down to:

Well what do YOU think Israel should do? (Respect the Palestinians in the first place and not empower Hamas)

And

Objecting to Israel is antisemitism.

Everything in the 1000+ page thread boils down to these two sentiments. It’s very hard work to justify the collective punishment and annihilation of 2 million people, and posters here are lazy.

Respect them in the first place or you would have not been terrorized--sounding like street thugs who are always talking about pride and honor if you disrespect me I will cap you! Life isn't a 90s rap video Palestine supporters. Yeah so pin the post above so we can all see that yes, they see the Hamas attack as justified, because they were disrespected.

Would someone please translate the above.

It's an old person trying to sound hip to a bunch of middle aged people

Hello, fellow kids!

I think the reference to 90s rap videos is a solemn homage to Rumpshaker. All he wants to do is go bomb bomb all the Gaza-ans.

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Anonymous wrote:But I think people are slowly becoming more aware of what they’re accidentally signing up for, now that Hamas has escalated this situation. Young people are having second thoughts. I think Hamas seriously miscalculated on 10/7. Burned a lot of sympathy.

I think it’s very much the opposite. I think the goodwill many had unquestioningly for Israel is forever gone.

I grew up watching mainstream news, and news about the Israel-Palestinian conflict never made sense. The commentary was always “Palestinians did X, and 90 Israelis died in the fighting. Israel responded and 500 Palestinians died.” Footage would always be of Israeli people, with like a split second of suspicious looking Arab men running about.

I think most people don’t think too hard about this kind of coverage.

Then social media came along. I am seeing instagram posts FROM people in Gaza, describing what is happening. How they can’t shower, how they don’t know where their families are, how children are trapped in the rubble. And so, I think a lot of people are beginning to put some pieces together and are realizing… Israel doesn’t seem like such a “good guy.”

Then of course there is the fact that Israel is described as an ally in the Middle East but we never actually hear about them actually doing anything good or beneficial for the US. We don’t really understand the purpose of utility of Israel.

Then of course we always hear about the billions and billions of dollars that go to Israel while Americans struggle to pay their bills. Israelis have universal healthcare and we don’t.

I think things are inevitably changing.

What is changing? You are sitting on social media absorbing rhetoric while eating fast food bed rotting. You are not the Israeli govt they are going to do what they need to do despite the tik tok brigade.

I guess I hit a nerve. 😂😂😂. Keep it classy!

What is fast food bed rotting? Am I missing out on something?

I THINK he meant that I am sitting in my bed, eating fast food, and rotting. That kind of sounds great to me but alas, is not my life (I am a pathetically striving DC urban mom after all!!)

English may not be his first language?

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Anonymous wrote:But I think people are slowly becoming more aware of what they’re accidentally signing up for, now that Hamas has escalated this situation. Young people are having second thoughts. I think Hamas seriously miscalculated on 10/7. Burned a lot of sympathy.

I think it’s very much the opposite. I think the goodwill many had unquestioningly for Israel is forever gone.

I’m betting on a different horse. People are starting to learn more about what Hamas is, and what role it has played in Gaza. A few weeks ago, college kids had no idea that Gaza wasn’t governed by Israel. They bought the apartheid analogy. Now, a few weeks in, people are learning the truth and are starting to question wtf Hamas is doing with all of the money it has (and where it gets it).

Hostages are not free yet. Hamas can end this war, and probably will surrender, after its leaders run to Iran.

People have learned the Israel controls the water, food, electricity and fuel that goes into Gaza. People have learned that Palestinians are fenced in or out, however you want to describe the situation. When you control the basic necessities such as food and water, Israel you control Gaza.

Actually people now realize that Israel had good reason to blockade Gaza. And that Hamas had the money to help Gazans but chose to build tunnels and buy rockets.

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Anonymous wrote:I see Israel as the underdog—surrounded by enemies, hated by the UN, the list goes on. It really is fighting a multi-front war.

That’s quite the definition of underdog.

The country with the most sophisticated military in the region that also happens to be closely allied with the country boasting the most powerful military in the world. And they’re fighting an impoverished population that doesn’t even control their own water.

I don’t think underdog means what you think it means.

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Exactly.

Don't start a war if you don't want to fight one particularly if you are impoverished.

I believe this is more conventionally known as the "Know your place, boy" argument ...

Wait what? What are you talking about? I am confused. This isn't the American South where African Americans (my people) at times were called uppity if they were successful, your comparison doesn't make any sense. You are so used to use our struggle to try to justify whatever it is you think you are going through that you are now getting sloppy.

Restatement: I believe this is more conventionally known as the "Know your place, boy" argument ...

The fact that one diverse group was subjected to inhumanity across hundreds of years of slavery, having been shoved into the ground using this same phrase doesn't mean that another group cannot also suffer a grotesque fate (specifically, the sustained, humiliating, intentionally provocative order by "their betters" to accept their station in society and STFU about it, lest they get a good and thorough beating). You don't have exclusive rights to being marginalized by bad people. Today, the lynching is delivered at arms length via gleaming F-22 fighter jets that one side is gifted by guess who?

Uncle Sam, back at it again!

Again, you missed the whole point of "don't start a war you don't want to fight"--the point is go fight the war but don't complain when who you fight, fights back. Again, to cheaply gain sympathy from African Americans, you are making a comparison that literally makes no sense in the context of the conversation. No one is talking about no keep yourself in your place (yes I am using a double negative like a good black person when we are really trying to emphasize something by using AAVE intentionally)

Those "complaining" are not the actors in the drama. The complainers are the rest of the civilized world. Who do you imagine ISN'T howling at what's been occurring for the past three weeks?

The complainers didn't start the war. They're also not fighting the war. But they are well within the bounds of society to seek and end to the atrocities that have taken place on both side in the past three weeks. They don't need your approval, nor anyone's.

Look, if you like to see or hear that humans are being blown apart every day for three weeks, I guess you have to look within and find what makes you actually tick because it sure as hell isn't compassion.

This is not true, you act as if the Palestinians have had this immense power to galvanize the world to share their opinion and that is not true. Despite what you think this issue is not at the forefront of people's minds. In other words, the world population doesn't hate Jews as much as you do, you might think people are sitting around so irritated by Jews as much as you are but that is not true. I am learning that anti semetics use this language a lot, that the whole world know this or that about jews. Their hate is so insidious they think it is natural and that everyone feels it. In any event, even if the whole world hated Isreal, that doesn't mean that feeling is right (but again I don't think this is true anyway)

Seriously, what is wrong with you? Why does everything distill into "You hate the Jews"? This pathological need to label others as anti-semitic, without even knowing who they are, what they believe, or anything else is staggering to me. Nothing in anything I've written here or elsewhere in my lifetime expressed hatred for Jewish people. Do you just assign hatred whenever someone doesn't fold in the echo chamber and calls BS?

I’ve read much of the original thread and the arguments for Israel boil down to:

Well what do YOU think Israel should do? (Respect the Palestinians in the first place and not empower Hamas)

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Objecting to Israel is antisemitism.

Everything in the 1000+ page thread boils down to these two sentiments. It’s very hard work to justify the collective punishment and annihilation of 2 million people, and posters here are lazy.

Respect them in the first place or you would have not been terrorized--sounding like street thugs who are always talking about pride and honor if you disrespect me I will cap you! Life isn't a 90s rap video Palestine supporters. Yeah so pin the post above so we can all see that yes, they see the Hamas attack as justified, because they were disrespected.

Would someone please translate the above.

It's an old person trying to sound hip to a bunch of middle aged people

Hello, fellow kids!

I think the reference to 90s rap videos is a solemn homage to Rumpshaker. All he wants to do is go bomb bomb all the Gaza-ans.

Cultural misappropriation will not be tolerated here. In fact, you cannot even utter the words Chuck D or Flavor Flav without prior written authorization from the duty officer handling these matters for everyone's safety.