Gaza War, Part 2

[Anonymous]

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-12-09/ty-article/.premium/sahar-baruch-25-taken-hostage-to-gaza-from-kibbutz-beeri-killed-in-captivity/0000018c-4e5d-db23-ad9f-6edde6c60000

Kibbutz Be'eri announced on Saturday that Sahar Baruch, a 25-year-old resident of the kibbutz who was kidnapped to the Gaza Strip on October 7, was killed in captivity.

May his memory be a blessing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At this point Israel needs an out. Eliminating Hamas completely was never an attainable goal and the longer this goes on the more it erodes its position and loses the original moral clarity that it had. It's getting harder and harder to picture tomorrow. Hopefully they can eliminate, or better yet capture, Sanwar soon.

Put him on trial. Give him the full Eichmann and make him the scapegoat. Then try and do the same to the political side for financing him.

They need to figure out a way to end this that doesn't rely on the Palestinian population unconditionally surrendering en masse or ethnic cleansing. Heck, could they even handle every Gazan personally surrendering. That's 2 million prisoners.

What is the exit strategy? At some point there will be nothing left to bomb. Do they have any idea how bad it is going to look when this is over and there's over a million people in UN tent cities? Of course the FM has also accused the SecGen and UNRWA of being allied with Hamas. Israel needs a concrete goal to end this on.

They do not need an out they seem to be ok with their strategy. Palestine should surrender, why not?
Palestine supporters you need to understand--maybe there are some out there who just don't agree with you. What you want to happen, we don't want to happen. And not, it not a Jews vs rest of the world thing. Given the small number of Jewish people in the world, I can guarantee that there are more non Jews who do not align with Palestine's goals than Jews (and there are some Jews who support Palestine's efforts--they all do not think alike).

Who surrenders? This is a practical question.

Then what happens? This is also a practical question.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow so latest in Israel times said those naked men rounded up yday won’t be brought to Israel bc they are likely civilians. First idf said they were militants who surrendered, then they said, suspected Hamas militants, then it came to light some are doctors, journalists, artists, then the story evolved to just militants, then buried at the bottom of the latest article it states they will not be moved to Israel bc they are likely civilians who had been sheltering at a Un school. IDF and their propaganda. They are truly evil.

So what's the problem exactly? If they have been ascertained to be civilians and will be freed?

The first problem is the assumption that all men remaining in the north are Hamas. Not everyone had the means or ability to flee. And frankly, where to. The bombardment in the south is ongoing and brutal.

The second problem is the humiliation imposed on civilian men. The picture of the men kneeling next to the ditch was taken from a soldiers social media page. This was done to degrade these men.

Third problem is how the men were taken:

IDF soldiers entered the area and used megaphones to order the men from their homes and UN relief agency (UNRWA) schools.

The IDF ordered women in the area to go to a nearby hospital and later threated to shoot them if the men did not come out of their homes, he said.

The fourth problem is that IDF said they were hamas militants who had surrendered. Now they are civilians forcibly taken from a UN school. Please remember that when you hear anything from the IDF. They lie. A lot.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67659296

How is this incongruous with "we are at war to eliminate Hamas"? They are going to have to go person by person to achieve that goal. I'm not really getting the outrage over this. I would be more concerned about civilians impacted by bombing etc. There was no loss of life with this whatsoever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow so latest in Israel times said those naked men rounded up yday won’t be brought to Israel bc they are likely civilians. First idf said they were militants who surrendered, then they said, suspected Hamas militants, then it came to light some are doctors, journalists, artists, then the story evolved to just militants, then buried at the bottom of the latest article it states they will not be moved to Israel bc they are likely civilians who had been sheltering at a Un school. IDF and their propaganda. They are truly evil.

So what's the problem exactly? If they have been ascertained to be civilians and will be freed?

We have no proof they have been released. They are most likely dead. These educated civilians are high priority targets for Israel and the US.

I understand you are emotional, but you are literally making stuff up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow so latest in Israel times said those naked men rounded up yday won’t be brought to Israel bc they are likely civilians. First idf said they were militants who surrendered, then they said, suspected Hamas militants, then it came to light some are doctors, journalists, artists, then the story evolved to just militants, then buried at the bottom of the latest article it states they will not be moved to Israel bc they are likely civilians who had been sheltering at a Un school. IDF and their propaganda. They are truly evil.

So what's the problem exactly? If they have been ascertained to be civilians and will be freed?

We have no proof they have been released. They are most likely dead. These educated civilians are high priority targets for Israel and the US.

I understand you are emotional, but you are literally making stuff up.

No it is a pattern for the IDF. If you kill 17,000 plus civilians, openly plan to depopulate Gaza, destroyed the civilian infrastructure killing the educated “elite” is part of the pacification plan. What’s a few more bodies by the side of the road? Look at Poland during WW2. At some point you have to recognize what Israel is doing in your name.

[Anonymous]

From JPost today: “Israeli forces on Saturday found a teddy bear packed with ammunition and a hidden sniper rifle, the IDF said.
As part of the 551st Brigade's operations across the Gaza Strip, the teddy bear packed with weaponry was discovered during a raid of a school used by Hamas for terror purposes. In addition, more weaponry hidden in classrooms was found in UNRWA bags in an adjacent school.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow so latest in Israel times said those naked men rounded up yday won’t be brought to Israel bc they are likely civilians. First idf said they were militants who surrendered, then they said, suspected Hamas militants, then it came to light some are doctors, journalists, artists, then the story evolved to just militants, then buried at the bottom of the latest article it states they will not be moved to Israel bc they are likely civilians who had been sheltering at a Un school. IDF and their propaganda. They are truly evil.

So what's the problem exactly? If they have been ascertained to be civilians and will be freed?

We have no proof they have been released. They are most likely dead. These educated civilians are high priority targets for Israel and the US.

I understand you are emotional, but you are literally making stuff up.

No it is a pattern for the IDF. If you kill 17,000 plus civilians, openly plan to depopulate Gaza, destroyed the civilian infrastructure killing the educated “elite” is part of the pacification plan. What’s a few more bodies by the side of the road? Look at Poland during WW2. At some point you have to recognize what Israel is doing in your name.

There is an educated elite? I thought this was a destitute, open air prison, with no access to education?

[Anonymous]

The US didn’t treat Muslims like this after September 11th, a much more horrific attack. I’m proud to be American. It says a lot about Israel and Israelis that they are indiscriminate murderers of children and other civilians. I predict in 10 years none will be pro-Israel in American politics. Boomers will die/age out of office and younger generations see the murderous state for what it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From JPost today: “Israeli forces on Saturday found a teddy bear packed with ammunition and a hidden sniper rifle, the IDF said.
As part of the 551st Brigade's operations across the Gaza Strip, the teddy bear packed with weaponry was discovered during a raid of a school used by Hamas for terror purposes. In addition, more weaponry hidden in classrooms was found in UNRWA bags in an adjacent school.”

Liars. I don’t believe this for a second. They are trying to come up with propaganda given how many children, Palestinian children, have died.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From JPost today: “Israeli forces on Saturday found a teddy bear packed with ammunition and a hidden sniper rifle, the IDF said.
As part of the 551st Brigade's operations across the Gaza Strip, the teddy bear packed with weaponry was discovered during a raid of a school used by Hamas for terror purposes. In addition, more weaponry hidden in classrooms was found in UNRWA bags in an adjacent school.”

Liars. I don’t believe this for a second. They are trying to come up with propaganda given how many children, Palestinian children, have died.

Sorry, but it is all true. Try a little harder, maybe, to understand how difficult a task the IDF faces against such a cynical, psychopathic enemy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow so latest in Israel times said those naked men rounded up yday won’t be brought to Israel bc they are likely civilians. First idf said they were militants who surrendered, then they said, suspected Hamas militants, then it came to light some are doctors, journalists, artists, then the story evolved to just militants, then buried at the bottom of the latest article it states they will not be moved to Israel bc they are likely civilians who had been sheltering at a Un school. IDF and their propaganda. They are truly evil.

So what's the problem exactly? If they have been ascertained to be civilians and will be freed?

Yes, yes, of course ... let's normalize intentionally humiliating others, depriving them of their liberty, and then we can uncork some faux outrage when they have the audacity to bite back at us.

Ok you are going to say next they were humiliated so now they can't help but become terrorist (aka liberators).

No, but I am going to say that after 50+ years of Zionist terrorism, followed by 75 years (and counting) of state-sponsored terrorism by the State of Israel (and its laughably transparent aim of violently displacing the indigenous population in a drawn-out campaign of terror that is ethnic cleansing by any other name), there might be no hope for the future left in any of those men.

So if someone paraglides into Israel and attempts to harm anyone in sight, don’t reach for your pearls and expect others to defend your apartheid system and institutional racism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From JPost today: “Israeli forces on Saturday found a teddy bear packed with ammunition and a hidden sniper rifle, the IDF said.
As part of the 551st Brigade's operations across the Gaza Strip, the teddy bear packed with weaponry was discovered during a raid of a school used by Hamas for terror purposes. In addition, more weaponry hidden in classrooms was found in UNRWA bags in an adjacent school.”

These morons cannot even hit the broadside of a barn with the bleeding edge technology we provide for them as part of their welfare state bonanza, much less tell the truth.

If you believe anything purported by these goons, you’re nothing more than a moron, too.

[Anonymous]

The other side (Israel) has promised the same thing. They both have awful govts and the innocent civilians are caught in the middle. It’s tragic.

[Anonymous]

State dept bypassing congressional review to give IDF thousands of tank shells

This is a state dept whose 7th floor is disproportionately Jewish starting from the top blinken and nuland

Mid levels at state and throughout the ic and nsc are seeing how there is a major skew in principals vs staff

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:State dept bypassing congressional review to give IDF thousands of tank shells

This is a state dept whose 7th floor is disproportionately Jewish starting from the top blinken and nuland

Mid levels at state and throughout the ic and nsc are seeing how there is a major skew in principals vs staff

I agree. I also heard that Blinken ordered space lasers shot at Gaza. Those jews!