Gaza War, Part 2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Israel has closed off Gaza to journalists and destroyed Gaza's internet all in an attempt to hide the ongoing genocide. Israel's quest for revenge and bloodlust won't be satiated until the West Bank and Gaza are purged of Palestinians. This was always the end goal - purge the land of non-Jews to fulfill Israel's desire for a Jewish homeland

BS. Journalists are not safe in Gaza.
And, the internet was cut off so terrorists won't have the means to communicate.

Neither are Palestinian children. But that seems like an acceptable trade?

This is the last time I’m going to ask: what do you think should happen? Should Hamas be allowed to continue to run Gaza?

Ceasefire. No Hamas cannot run Gaza. But this campaign will not eradicate Hamas or Hamas-like entities. All that will be accomplished is a false sense of security, death of innocents, and the further staining of the soul of Israel. The situation for the Palestinians on the ground has to change for anything to truly get better.

What?

[Anonymous]

Ceasefire sounds well and good, but will not help get rid of Hamas because they don’t negotiate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ceasefire sounds well and good, but will not help get rid of Hamas because they don’t negotiate.

Well, the soldiers don’t. But the leadership sitting over in Qatar living the good life, they have something to lose. I think we will see a ceasefire at some point. And I think Hamas is out in the near term.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hamas has been around for 20 years. Surprised by how ignorant the people in here are about the organization and what it’s done to Gazans. The violence against Israel was not justified either. But here we are.

Try again. Learn basic facts.

1988, so 25 if you want to be more specific I guess?

… 35

This dickering is a sign to me that interest is petering out on this. The world is already weary and wants to be done. Israel will mop up Hamas and then Palestinians have some choices to make about who they want to be as a people, now and for their kids.

For the love of God, stop stereotyping Palestinians as if they are a freaking monolith you islamophobe.

There was no stereotyping and no Islamophobia. Are Palestinians not an entity? If they are not, why are we worrying about their political and geographical future? And since when are they all Muslim?
So tiresome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Israel has closed off Gaza to journalists and destroyed Gaza's internet all in an attempt to hide the ongoing genocide. Israel's quest for revenge and bloodlust won't be satiated until the West Bank and Gaza are purged of Palestinians. This was always the end goal - purge the land of non-Jews to fulfill Israel's desire for a Jewish homeland

BS. Journalists are not safe in Gaza.
And, the internet was cut off so terrorists won't have the means to communicate.

Neither are Palestinian children. But that seems like an acceptable trade?

This is the last time I’m going to ask: what do you think should happen? Should Hamas be allowed to continue to run Gaza?

Hard truth is that that is not for us to decide
Should what is going on now continue to happen?

You’re right, it was for Israel to decide after Hamas attacked them. They decided.

That is like saying it was for Japanese to decide after Pearl Harbor. Israel is to blame for all of this. Before Israel was created Jews and Palestinians lived in peace. Now it is Israel killing Palestinians and stealing land. Sickening.

No hun. It’s like saying it was for the US to decide after Pearl Harbor.

So I guess the US should have just tried talking to the Japanese or the Germans.

Israel is not the good guy. They have a long history of killing Palestinians because they think they are racially superior. You can not say Oct 7 is the start of this. This is what Israel has done since it was created- killing Palestinians and take their land.

If the history of this conflict could be summarized in one short angry paragraph, we wouldn’t be here now. You have a child’s understanding of the situation.

DP no that is an accurate summary of the history of Israel. The only thing missing is the US’s responsibility for propping up Israel all these years. Truly lots of blood and deaths should be pointed right back at the US. If only the US had never gotten involved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ceasefire sounds well and good, but will not help get rid of Hamas because they don’t negotiate.

Well, the soldiers don’t. But the leadership sitting over in Qatar living the good life, they have something to lose. I think we will see a ceasefire at some point. And I think Hamas is out in the near term.

Hamas Charter:

“There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Israel has closed off Gaza to journalists and destroyed Gaza's internet all in an attempt to hide the ongoing genocide. Israel's quest for revenge and bloodlust won't be satiated until the West Bank and Gaza are purged of Palestinians. This was always the end goal - purge the land of non-Jews to fulfill Israel's desire for a Jewish homeland

BS. Journalists are not safe in Gaza.
And, the internet was cut off so terrorists won't have the means to communicate.

Neither are Palestinian children. But that seems like an acceptable trade?

This is the last time I’m going to ask: what do you think should happen? Should Hamas be allowed to continue to run Gaza?

Hard truth is that that is not for us to decide
Should what is going on now continue to happen?

You’re right, it was for Israel to decide after Hamas attacked them. They decided.

That is like saying it was for Japanese to decide after Pearl Harbor. Israel is to blame for all of this. Before Israel was created Jews and Palestinians lived in peace. Now it is Israel killing Palestinians and stealing land. Sickening.

No hun. It’s like saying it was for the US to decide after Pearl Harbor.

So I guess the US should have just tried talking to the Japanese or the Germans.

Israel is not the good guy. They have a long history of killing Palestinians because they think they are racially superior. You can not say Oct 7 is the start of this. This is what Israel has done since it was created- killing Palestinians and take their land.

If the history of this conflict could be summarized in one short angry paragraph, we wouldn’t be here now. You have a child’s understanding of the situation.

DP no that is an accurate summary of the history of Israel. The only thing missing is the US’s responsibility for propping up Israel all these years. Truly lots of blood and deaths should be pointed right back at the US. If only the US had never gotten involved.

You’re a fool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ceasefire sounds well and good, but will not help get rid of Hamas because they don’t negotiate.

Well, the soldiers don’t. But the leadership sitting over in Qatar living the good life, they have something to lose. I think we will see a ceasefire at some point. And I think Hamas is out in the near term.

Where is the leadership of Israel?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ceasefire sounds well and good, but will not help get rid of Hamas because they don’t negotiate.

Well, the soldiers don’t. But the leadership sitting over in Qatar living the good life, they have something to lose. I think we will see a ceasefire at some point. And I think Hamas is out in the near term.

Hamas Charter:

“There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

Sure. But there’s no honor among thieves. The fat cats will run.

[Anonymous]

So what will be the political fallout?
Israel cannot live in peace with Palestinians, that we can agree on.
How are any long term plans being accomplished?
American politics are due to change with each and every president, but Israel will still be surrounded by their neighbors

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But I think people are slowly becoming more aware of what they’re accidentally signing up for, now that Hamas has escalated this situation. Young people are having second thoughts. I think Hamas seriously miscalculated on 10/7. Burned a lot of sympathy.

I think it’s very much the opposite. I think the goodwill many had unquestioningly for Israel is forever gone.

This is a genocide.

As time passes, and more details emerge, Israel will forever be branded a genocidal nation. It’s a matter of time before that catches up with them. I don’t think the US is going to stop supporting them immediately but our complicity is another way that US is declining on the world stage.

Biden has already sealed his legacy as genocide denier.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Israel has closed off Gaza to journalists and destroyed Gaza's internet all in an attempt to hide the ongoing genocide. Israel's quest for revenge and bloodlust won't be satiated until the West Bank and Gaza are purged of Palestinians. This was always the end goal - purge the land of non-Jews to fulfill Israel's desire for a Jewish homeland

BS. Journalists are not safe in Gaza.
And, the internet was cut off so terrorists won't have the means to communicate.

Neither are Palestinian children. But that seems like an acceptable trade?

This is the last time I’m going to ask: what do you think should happen? Should Hamas be allowed to continue to run Gaza?

Ceasefire. No Hamas cannot run Gaza. But this campaign will not eradicate Hamas or Hamas-like entities. All that will be accomplished is a false sense of security, death of innocents, and the further staining of the soul of Israel. The situation for the Palestinians on the ground has to change for anything to truly get better.

And what will a ceasefire accomplish?

One could work toward improving the situation on the ground for Palestinians for the sake of their humanity as well for the long term security of the Jewish people.

I truly do not believe razing Gaza is going to do anything to stop Hamas in the long term unless you actually exterminate all the Palestinians around (genocide). Leave just a few around, and the terrorists will reform.

How do you do that when Hamas is hell bent on murdering your people and steals everything to stockpile in their tunnels to prepare for war, which they willfully provoke?

What do peace loving Israelis have control over? Themselves and their govt. Israelis have allowed inflexible hard liners to represent them and put forward policies (settlers) that are actually helping Hamas maintain their foothold in Gaza. They made the trade for security - which has turned out not to be true. Israel has to come up with a different path forward.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I see Israel as the underdog—surrounded by enemies, hated by the UN, the list goes on. It really is fighting a multi-front war.

That’s quite the definition of underdog.

The country with the most sophisticated military in the region that also happens to be closely allied with the country boasting the most powerful military in the world. And they’re fighting an impoverished population that doesn’t even control their own water.

I don’t think underdog means what you think it means.

+1

Exactly.

Don't start a war if you don't want to fight one particularly if you are impoverished.

I believe this is more conventionally known as the "Know your place, boy" argument ...

Wait what? What are you talking about? I am confused. This isn't the American South where African Americans (my people) at times were called uppity if they were successful, your comparison doesn't make any sense. You are so used to use our struggle to try to justify whatever it is you think you are going through that you are now getting sloppy.

Restatement: I believe this is more conventionally known as the "Know your place, boy" argument ...

The fact that one diverse group was subjected to inhumanity across hundreds of years of slavery, having been shoved into the ground using this same phrase doesn't mean that another group cannot also suffer a grotesque fate (specifically, the sustained, humiliating, intentionally provocative order by "their betters" to accept their station in society and STFU about it, lest they get a good and thorough beating). You don't have exclusive rights to being marginalized by bad people. Today, the lynching is delivered at arms length via gleaming F-22 fighter jets that one side is gifted by guess who?

Uncle Sam, back at it again!

Again, you missed the whole point of "don't start a war you don't want to fight"--the point is go fight the war but don't complain when who you fight, fights back. Again, to cheaply gain sympathy from African Americans, you are making a comparison that literally makes no sense in the context of the conversation. No one is talking about no keep yourself in your place (yes I am using a double negative like a good black person when we are really trying to emphasize something by using AAVE intentionally)

Those "complaining" are not the actors in the drama. The complainers are the rest of the civilized world. Who do you imagine ISN'T howling at what's been occurring for the past three weeks?

The complainers didn't start the war. They're also not fighting the war. But they are well within the bounds of society to seek and end to the atrocities that have taken place on both side in the past three weeks. They don't need your approval, nor anyone's.

Look, if you like to see or hear that humans are being blown apart every day for three weeks, I guess you have to look within and find what makes you actually tick because it sure as hell isn't compassion.

This is not true, you act as if the Palestinians have had this immense power to galvanize the world to share their opinion and that is not true. Despite what you think this issue is not at the forefront of people's minds. In other words, the world population doesn't hate Jews as much as you do, you might think people are sitting around so irritated by Jews as much as you are but that is not true. I am learning that anti semetics use this language a lot, that the whole world know this or that about jews. Their hate is so insidious they think it is natural and that everyone feels it. In any event, even if the whole world hated Isreal, that doesn't mean that feeling is right (but again I don't think this is true anyway)

Seriously, what is wrong with you? Why does everything distill into "You hate the Jews"? This pathological need to label others as anti-semitic, without even knowing who they are, what they believe, or anything else is staggering to me. Nothing in anything I've written here or elsewhere in my lifetime expressed hatred for Jewish people. Do you just assign hatred whenever someone doesn't fold in the echo chamber and calls BS?

I’ve read much of the original thread and the arguments for Israel boil down to:

Well what do YOU think Israel should do? (Respect the Palestinians in the first place and not empower Hamas)

And

Objecting to Israel is antisemitism.

Everything in the 1000+ page thread boils down to these two sentiments. It’s very hard work to justify the collective punishment and annihilation of 2 million people, and posters here are lazy.

Respect them in the first place or you would have not been terrorized--sounding like street thugs who are always talking about pride and honor if you disrespect me I will cap you! Life isn't a 90s rap video Palestine supporters. Yeah so pin the post above so we can all see that yes, they see the Hamas attack as justified, because they were disrespected.

Nobody said the attack was justified. Any people oppressed enough will revolt. This overreaction will have generational repercussions. Unless it succeeds with a full genocide somebody will survive and remember. This is bad and I do blame the PM

Hamas massively overplayed their hand and will be mopped up. Their "friends" in the region are few and far between. The way that 'support' played out in the West was pretty revealing and did no great service to the actual, long term Palestinian cause. There will be no genocide of Palestinian people, but what a misstep. I hope Palestinians stop squandering time for their kids, and kids kids, and get back to the negotiating table when Hamas is gone. I hope they never again make the mistake of thinking that terror (through terror groups they vote for) offers more than the shortest leverage.

If you think they will be “mopped up” you don’t have an understanding of the region - and this will pave the way for more hatred of Israel in the region (it is already extremely hated by everyone else in the region), and it will pave the way for MORE extremist groups. Just watch. Y’all are just bloodthirsty and love seeing dead Palestinians so you’re getting off on this trauma porn. It’s weird and sadistic.

I don't do trauma porn actually. Maybe you do?
My spouse has mopped up many a terrorist. I have a very good understanding of the region. More will pop up, they always do, different name same dark vapor, unless the Palestinians prevent it. That's how these things work. Do you think the history of Palestinians in the region so far has been one of vigilance against terrorists? I'd suggest they find their MLK or Gandhi and make progress.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ceasefire sounds well and good, but will not help get rid of Hamas because they don’t negotiate.

Well, the soldiers don’t. But the leadership sitting over in Qatar living the good life, they have something to lose. I think we will see a ceasefire at some point. And I think Hamas is out in the near term.

Where is the leadership of Israel?

Are you threatened by something I said? Not sure the answer to your question matters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ceasefire sounds well and good, but will not help get rid of Hamas because they don’t negotiate.

Well, the soldiers don’t. But the leadership sitting over in Qatar living the good life, they have something to lose. I think we will see a ceasefire at some point. And I think Hamas is out in the near term.

Hamas Charter:

“There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

Sure. But there’s no honor among thieves. The fat cats will run.

Slogans are fun, aren’t they? But they aren’t reality.