Magruder HS Shooting

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Is there a middle path on SRO's?

What if there were police but they didn't carry firearms?

Or what if non-police security at the schools were increased?

[Anonymous]

Look a shady rapper wannabe brings a ghost gun to school to specifically shoot one person. Just one. He could have used a knife, bat, fists. It was never an active shooter thing

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Anonymous wrote:Where was McCarthy and McKnight before a student was rushed to the hospital in critical condition?

Schools are a hot mess right now and these two turkeys need their time in the spotlight. More needs to be done to address safety problems in schools. I’m sure that the COVID staffing shortages is a contributing factor.

They should have gone to the hospital.

Not in times of Covid, no. However, McKnight should have arrived on time for her presser, and given a much better speech than she did, and the school+LE should have done a much better job of identifying the wound, figuring out there was a shooter on the loose and catching him.

I think law enforcement’s original reaction was based on the information (or the downplayed information) that Magruder staff provided. Someone needs to investigate who made the 911 call and exactly what was conveyed.

Typically, the school security person that found the kid probably called the main office. An office staff member sent the nurse to the bathroom and called in the 911 call. The school security person and the school nurse were focused on the student and waiting for EMTs to get there. An abdominal shooting victim can loose a lot of blood internally very quickly.

Based on dispatches initial directions, this was initially treated as a routine, no lights and no sirens call. That all changed when non-MCPS people (EMTs and police) got on sight and saw it was a gunshot victim. Lessons from MCPS to dispatch to fire and rescue to the police need to be learned from this. I do think having a trained police officer (SRO) at the school would have made the notification that the student had a gunshot wound and an active shooter was on campus become crystal clear in the call for backup.

Does MCPS and agencies have drills for these types of scenarios? In hospitals, you have codes - ex. Code Blue or Stat - that signal the urgency of help needed. Simple words that triggers an immediate response. It seems like there should be some type of signal from the security guard to the front office that would relay the message to 911 immediate and urgent help was needed.

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Obviously we're on our way to reinstatement of SROs in schools, and thank goodness for that. I'll never understand people who wanted to defund police, etc. I'm all for left-wing policies, but only when they actually make sense. If you want to address racism in law enforcement, you make make police academies MORE selective, and you lure in smarter candidates with more attractive pay (same method if you want to increase teaching standards).The dumb people will never react well in crisis situations regardless of the training they get! You can't staff such positions with the poorly-paid and the ones without critical thinking skills, and then act surprised that they're incompetent.

Good luck achieving this with the police academies in the hands of the existing police force.

+1 To keep this close to home, look at the caes of the officers caught on camera abusing a 5 year-old child inside an MCPS school last year. No accountability. No repercussions. Nothing but a blue wall protecting bad cops from ever seeing their actions have consequences.

As long as the entire structure of policing continues to protect abusive cops, none of the changes listed above will ever happen. Except giving them more money, because rewarding abusive cops is the American Way (tm).

MCPD is filled with very good officers. It’s a strong police department. Yes, those two officers were in the wrong. Guess what? A lot of MCPD agrees. Instead of falling back on old arguments, I recommend you get to know current policing. Fortunately, there are a couple avenues through which you can do that. Request a ride-along. Attend the citizens’ academy. Instead of falling back on preconceived notions, get to know the department. They are out in the community and sponsor regular events.

There are good and bad employees in any workplace. I would say the good outweigh the bad in MCPD. SROs are the best of the best. Our SRO had been in our school for over a decade. She interacted with students to give them a smile. She knew students by name - not because they were in trouble but because she would take more time than the principal to have conversations with the students.

Yeah. I don’t want my kid interacting with police unless it is mandatory. I can see that you don’t understand it. You might reflect on the fact that your refusal to understand it is part of why there are no SROs in schools now.

we don't have SROs anymore in MCPS because of uber progressives and Elrich. Most Principals, and probably teachers, want SROs.

Elrich doesn't walk the school halls and interact with the kids everyday. When there is a violent students at school, Elrich is not the one responsible. The Principals are, and they want SROs, who were just one tools in the shed that could be used to de-escalate a situation in school.

What he did is the height of irresponsibility. It's like at work when the higher ups make decisions that are politically motivated, and the rest of us have to deal with the fallout and cleanup the mess. It's a crap situation for those with "boots on the ground". They hamstrung the Principals -- take away SROs but at the same time figure out a way to not have to suspend URM kids. How does Elrich propose that to happen? Oh, he doesn't know.. he's not a school administrator? No, he's not, so he shouldn't be making those kidns of decisions. Leave it to the Principals who lead the schools and who are the ones responsible for the kids' safety.

Elrich needs to keep his nose out of the schools.

Yes, I understand that you literally cannot comprehend why parents of “URM kids”—who are close to the majority in MoCo—don’t want police in schools. You can keep re-showing how you don’t understand if you want to.

Maybe if you taught your kid to view interacting with SRO's as a positive opportunity, we would all be better off.
instead you keep playing the paranoid victim in a community that is majority minority. Good luch with that

I am not going to be teaching my kid to accept the continual presence of armed representatives of the state as normal. Thanks anyway.

So you're going to teach them to accept getting gunned down in the boys room. You sound smart.

We're going to put SROs in every bathroom? That'll bring out the pedos.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where was McCarthy and McKnight before a student was rushed to the hospital in critical condition?

Schools are a hot mess right now and these two turkeys need their time in the spotlight. More needs to be done to address safety problems in schools. I’m sure that the COVID staffing shortages is a contributing factor.

They should have gone to the hospital.

Not in times of Covid, no. However, McKnight should have arrived on time for her presser, and given a much better speech than she did, and the school+LE should have done a much better job of identifying the wound, figuring out there was a shooter on the loose and catching him.

I think law enforcement’s original reaction was based on the information (or the downplayed information) that Magruder staff provided. Someone needs to investigate who made the 911 call and exactly what was conveyed.

Typically, the school security person that found the kid probably called the main office. An office staff member sent the nurse to the bathroom and called in the 911 call. The school security person and the school nurse were focused on the student and waiting for EMTs to get there. An abdominal shooting victim can loose a lot of blood internally very quickly.

Based on dispatches initial directions, this was initially treated as a routine, no lights and no sirens call. That all changed when non-MCPS people (EMTs and police) got on sight and saw it was a gunshot victim. Lessons from MCPS to dispatch to fire and rescue to the police need to be learned from this. I do think having a trained police officer (SRO) at the school would have made the notification that the student had a gunshot wound and an active shooter was on campus become crystal clear in the call for backup.

Does MCPS and agencies have drills for these types of scenarios? In hospitals, you have codes - ex. Code Blue or Stat - that signal the urgency of help needed. Simple words that triggers an immediate response. It seems like there should be some type of signal from the security guard to the front office that would relay the message to 911 immediate and urgent help was needed.

Soooo if he had been stabbed and bleeding from the abdomen it would have been routine?

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Obviously we're on our way to reinstatement of SROs in schools, and thank goodness for that. I'll never understand people who wanted to defund police, etc. I'm all for left-wing policies, but only when they actually make sense. If you want to address racism in law enforcement, you make make police academies MORE selective, and you lure in smarter candidates with more attractive pay (same method if you want to increase teaching standards).The dumb people will never react well in crisis situations regardless of the training they get! You can't staff such positions with the poorly-paid and the ones without critical thinking skills, and then act surprised that they're incompetent.

Good luck achieving this with the police academies in the hands of the existing police force.

+1 To keep this close to home, look at the caes of the officers caught on camera abusing a 5 year-old child inside an MCPS school last year. No accountability. No repercussions. Nothing but a blue wall protecting bad cops from ever seeing their actions have consequences.

As long as the entire structure of policing continues to protect abusive cops, none of the changes listed above will ever happen. Except giving them more money, because rewarding abusive cops is the American Way (tm).

MCPD is filled with very good officers. It’s a strong police department. Yes, those two officers were in the wrong. Guess what? A lot of MCPD agrees. Instead of falling back on old arguments, I recommend you get to know current policing. Fortunately, there are a couple avenues through which you can do that. Request a ride-along. Attend the citizens’ academy. Instead of falling back on preconceived notions, get to know the department. They are out in the community and sponsor regular events.

There are good and bad employees in any workplace. I would say the good outweigh the bad in MCPD. SROs are the best of the best. Our SRO had been in our school for over a decade. She interacted with students to give them a smile. She knew students by name - not because they were in trouble but because she would take more time than the principal to have conversations with the students.

Yeah. I don’t want my kid interacting with police unless it is mandatory. I can see that you don’t understand it. You might reflect on the fact that your refusal to understand it is part of why there are no SROs in schools now.

we don't have SROs anymore in MCPS because of uber progressives and Elrich. Most Principals, and probably teachers, want SROs.

Elrich doesn't walk the school halls and interact with the kids everyday. When there is a violent students at school, Elrich is not the one responsible. The Principals are, and they want SROs, who were just one tools in the shed that could be used to de-escalate a situation in school.

What he did is the height of irresponsibility. It's like at work when the higher ups make decisions that are politically motivated, and the rest of us have to deal with the fallout and cleanup the mess. It's a crap situation for those with "boots on the ground". They hamstrung the Principals -- take away SROs but at the same time figure out a way to not have to suspend URM kids. How does Elrich propose that to happen? Oh, he doesn't know.. he's not a school administrator? No, he's not, so he shouldn't be making those kidns of decisions. Leave it to the Principals who lead the schools and who are the ones responsible for the kids' safety.

Elrich needs to keep his nose out of the schools.

Yes, I understand that you literally cannot comprehend why parents of “URM kids”—who are close to the majority in MoCo—don’t want police in schools. You can keep re-showing how you don’t understand if you want to.

Maybe if you taught your kid to view interacting with SRO's as a positive opportunity, we would all be better off.
instead you keep playing the paranoid victim in a community that is majority minority. Good luch with that

I am not going to be teaching my kid to accept the continual presence of armed representatives of the state as normal. Thanks anyway.

So you're going to teach them to accept getting gunned down in the boys room. You sound smart.

We're going to put SROs in every bathroom? That'll bring out the pedos.

I can see how you think all sros are bad when your brain is confined to such simplistic logic as what you just same up with there.
Let the bigger brained people think this one through for you.

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Obviously we're on our way to reinstatement of SROs in schools, and thank goodness for that. I'll never understand people who wanted to defund police, etc. I'm all for left-wing policies, but only when they actually make sense. If you want to address racism in law enforcement, you make make police academies MORE selective, and you lure in smarter candidates with more attractive pay (same method if you want to increase teaching standards).The dumb people will never react well in crisis situations regardless of the training they get! You can't staff such positions with the poorly-paid and the ones without critical thinking skills, and then act surprised that they're incompetent.

Good luck achieving this with the police academies in the hands of the existing police force.

+1 To keep this close to home, look at the caes of the officers caught on camera abusing a 5 year-old child inside an MCPS school last year. No accountability. No repercussions. Nothing but a blue wall protecting bad cops from ever seeing their actions have consequences.

As long as the entire structure of policing continues to protect abusive cops, none of the changes listed above will ever happen. Except giving them more money, because rewarding abusive cops is the American Way (tm).

MCPD is filled with very good officers. It’s a strong police department. Yes, those two officers were in the wrong. Guess what? A lot of MCPD agrees. Instead of falling back on old arguments, I recommend you get to know current policing. Fortunately, there are a couple avenues through which you can do that. Request a ride-along. Attend the citizens’ academy. Instead of falling back on preconceived notions, get to know the department. They are out in the community and sponsor regular events.

There are good and bad employees in any workplace. I would say the good outweigh the bad in MCPD. SROs are the best of the best. Our SRO had been in our school for over a decade. She interacted with students to give them a smile. She knew students by name - not because they were in trouble but because she would take more time than the principal to have conversations with the students.

Yeah. I don’t want my kid interacting with police unless it is mandatory. I can see that you don’t understand it. You might reflect on the fact that your refusal to understand it is part of why there are no SROs in schools now.

we don't have SROs anymore in MCPS because of uber progressives and Elrich. Most Principals, and probably teachers, want SROs.

Elrich doesn't walk the school halls and interact with the kids everyday. When there is a violent students at school, Elrich is not the one responsible. The Principals are, and they want SROs, who were just one tools in the shed that could be used to de-escalate a situation in school.

What he did is the height of irresponsibility. It's like at work when the higher ups make decisions that are politically motivated, and the rest of us have to deal with the fallout and cleanup the mess. It's a crap situation for those with "boots on the ground". They hamstrung the Principals -- take away SROs but at the same time figure out a way to not have to suspend URM kids. How does Elrich propose that to happen? Oh, he doesn't know.. he's not a school administrator? No, he's not, so he shouldn't be making those kidns of decisions. Leave it to the Principals who lead the schools and who are the ones responsible for the kids' safety.

Elrich needs to keep his nose out of the schools.

Yes, I understand that you literally cannot comprehend why parents of “URM kids”—who are close to the majority in MoCo—don’t want police in schools. You can keep re-showing how you don’t understand if you want to.

Maybe if you taught your kid to view interacting with SRO's as a positive opportunity, we would all be better off.
instead you keep playing the paranoid victim in a community that is majority minority. Good luch with that

I am not going to be teaching my kid to accept the continual presence of armed representatives of the state as normal. Thanks anyway.

So you're going to teach them to accept getting gunned down in the boys room. You sound smart.

We're going to put SROs in every bathroom? That'll bring out the pedos.

I can see how you think all sros are bad when your brain is confined to such simplistic logic as what you just same up with there.
Let the bigger brained people think this one through for you.

Not sure someone who uses the term "bigger brained" is all that intelligent.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sure this is a very naive question but why didn’t anyone hear the gunshot? The victim was found in the bathroom not that someone heard the gunshot?

I was wondering the same. The only thing I could think of was that it happened during transition time when it's fairly loud in the hallway. But, IDK. It's a good question.

Schools have very solid walls and doors. A gun shot would sound a lot like slamming a door in your house outside and far from the bathroom. Double so if you are in classroom with thick walls. I didn't hear it all in the building. None of my students did.
-Magruder teacher.

+1 One shot would not have gotten much attention. People would have attributed the noise to normal causes. If the gun was up against the victim, the sound would have been muffled.

I’m not understanding though why the initial 911 call didn’t relay a sense of urgency. Someone needs to release the 911 tape that the school made. Did the security guard call 911 or did he radio the front office and they called 911? It seemed like EMS and the police were caught off guard initially at the severity of the incident.

Agree, and reading those details is quite shocking.

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I hate when we criticize women for their clothes but here it was warranted. The child was in surgery but could have died or might still die though hopefully not. This was a sober scary worst nightmare scenario with kids locked in classrooms still. Dark coat. Don’t make it look like you did your hair first. There should not have been time.

The more important question is why did she stay home until time for the presser? Shouldn't she have at least headed to her office? This was a crisis event--I would have expected her to go to the school.

She wasn't at home.

Come on! Her office is 10 min from the school Of course she was coming from PG County.

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Anonymous wrote:Look a shady rapper wannabe brings a ghost gun to school to specifically shoot one person. Just one. He could have used a knife, bat, fists. It was never an active shooter thing

Doesn't him, you know, SHOOTING someone make it an "active shooter thing?" Since you seem so in the know, what was the motive?

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I hate when we criticize women for their clothes but here it was warranted. The child was in surgery but could have died or might still die though hopefully not. This was a sober scary worst nightmare scenario with kids locked in classrooms still. Dark coat. Don’t make it look like you did your hair first. There should not have been time.

The more important question is why did she stay home until time for the presser? Shouldn't she have at least headed to her office? This was a crisis event--I would have expected her to go to the school.

She wasn't at home.

Come on! Her office is 10 min from the school Of course she was coming from PG County.

I think what’s clear is that at every turn she handled this situation terribly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Obviously we're on our way to reinstatement of SROs in schools, and thank goodness for that. I'll never understand people who wanted to defund police, etc. I'm all for left-wing policies, but only when they actually make sense. If you want to address racism in law enforcement, you make make police academies MORE selective, and you lure in smarter candidates with more attractive pay (same method if you want to increase teaching standards).The dumb people will never react well in crisis situations regardless of the training they get! You can't staff such positions with the poorly-paid and the ones without critical thinking skills, and then act surprised that they're incompetent.

Good luck achieving this with the police academies in the hands of the existing police force.

+1 To keep this close to home, look at the caes of the officers caught on camera abusing a 5 year-old child inside an MCPS school last year. No accountability. No repercussions. Nothing but a blue wall protecting bad cops from ever seeing their actions have consequences.

As long as the entire structure of policing continues to protect abusive cops, none of the changes listed above will ever happen. Except giving them more money, because rewarding abusive cops is the American Way (tm).

MCPD is filled with very good officers. It’s a strong police department. Yes, those two officers were in the wrong. Guess what? A lot of MCPD agrees. Instead of falling back on old arguments, I recommend you get to know current policing. Fortunately, there are a couple avenues through which you can do that. Request a ride-along. Attend the citizens’ academy. Instead of falling back on preconceived notions, get to know the department. They are out in the community and sponsor regular events.

So, the incident in question was less than two years ago. You think the department has reformed since that time? The point here isn't whetherall cops are abusive. It is whether the abusive cops are protected by the system. They clearly are, which means there are no good officers, only officers covering for the abusive ones.

The County Executive (not just Elrich) has given away manager rights in collective bargaining for decades. Those cops are protected by a contract that makes it very difficult for police management to discipline officers properly. The police chief can't even fire someone without it going to appeal to an outside, union friendly trial board. This isn't a case of officers covering for others. It's a case of collective bargaining failures that hurt service delivery.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Obviously we're on our way to reinstatement of SROs in schools, and thank goodness for that. I'll never understand people who wanted to defund police, etc. I'm all for left-wing policies, but only when they actually make sense. If you want to address racism in law enforcement, you make make police academies MORE selective, and you lure in smarter candidates with more attractive pay (same method if you want to increase teaching standards).The dumb people will never react well in crisis situations regardless of the training they get! You can't staff such positions with the poorly-paid and the ones without critical thinking skills, and then act surprised that they're incompetent.

Good luck achieving this with the police academies in the hands of the existing police force.

+1 To keep this close to home, look at the caes of the officers caught on camera abusing a 5 year-old child inside an MCPS school last year. No accountability. No repercussions. Nothing but a blue wall protecting bad cops from ever seeing their actions have consequences.

As long as the entire structure of policing continues to protect abusive cops, none of the changes listed above will ever happen. Except giving them more money, because rewarding abusive cops is the American Way (tm).

MCPD is filled with very good officers. It’s a strong police department. Yes, those two officers were in the wrong. Guess what? A lot of MCPD agrees. Instead of falling back on old arguments, I recommend you get to know current policing. Fortunately, there are a couple avenues through which you can do that. Request a ride-along. Attend the citizens’ academy. Instead of falling back on preconceived notions, get to know the department. They are out in the community and sponsor regular events.

There are good and bad employees in any workplace. I would say the good outweigh the bad in MCPD. SROs are the best of the best. Our SRO had been in our school for over a decade. She interacted with students to give them a smile. She knew students by name - not because they were in trouble but because she would take more time than the principal to have conversations with the students.

Yeah. I don’t want my kid interacting with police unless it is mandatory. I can see that you don’t understand it. You might reflect on the fact that your refusal to understand it is part of why there are no SROs in schools now.

I don't want my kid to interact with shooters in school.

Right, it comes down to whether kids can form a positive relationship with one SRO who is kid-friendly to begin with, or have their schools flooded with hundreds of SWAT like police with long guns searching for their fellow perpetrator student.

PREVENTION IS SO MUCH BETTER.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I hate when we criticize women for their clothes but here it was warranted. The child was in surgery but could have died or might still die though hopefully not. This was a sober scary worst nightmare scenario with kids locked in classrooms still. Dark coat. Don’t make it look like you did your hair first. There should not have been time.

The more important question is why did she stay home until time for the presser? Shouldn't she have at least headed to her office? This was a crisis event--I would have expected her to go to the school.

She wasn't at home.

Come on! Her office is 10 min from the school Of course she was coming from PG County.

I think what’s clear is that at every turn she handled this situation terribly.

including the pink gear.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Obviously we're on our way to reinstatement of SROs in schools, and thank goodness for that. I'll never understand people who wanted to defund police, etc. I'm all for left-wing policies, but only when they actually make sense. If you want to address racism in law enforcement, you make make police academies MORE selective, and you lure in smarter candidates with more attractive pay (same method if you want to increase teaching standards).The dumb people will never react well in crisis situations regardless of the training they get! You can't staff such positions with the poorly-paid and the ones without critical thinking skills, and then act surprised that they're incompetent.

Good luck achieving this with the police academies in the hands of the existing police force.

+1 To keep this close to home, look at the caes of the officers caught on camera abusing a 5 year-old child inside an MCPS school last year. No accountability. No repercussions. Nothing but a blue wall protecting bad cops from ever seeing their actions have consequences.

As long as the entire structure of policing continues to protect abusive cops, none of the changes listed above will ever happen. Except giving them more money, because rewarding abusive cops is the American Way (tm).

MCPD is filled with very good officers. It’s a strong police department. Yes, those two officers were in the wrong. Guess what? A lot of MCPD agrees. Instead of falling back on old arguments, I recommend you get to know current policing. Fortunately, there are a couple avenues through which you can do that. Request a ride-along. Attend the citizens’ academy. Instead of falling back on preconceived notions, get to know the department. They are out in the community and sponsor regular events.

There are good and bad employees in any workplace. I would say the good outweigh the bad in MCPD. SROs are the best of the best. Our SRO had been in our school for over a decade. She interacted with students to give them a smile. She knew students by name - not because they were in trouble but because she would take more time than the principal to have conversations with the students.

Yeah. I don’t want my kid interacting with police unless it is mandatory. I can see that you don’t understand it. You might reflect on the fact that your refusal to understand it is part of why there are no SROs in schools now.

I don't want my kid to interact with shooters in school.

Right, it comes down to whether kids can form a positive relationship with one SRO who is kid-friendly to begin with, or have their schools flooded with hundreds of SWAT like police with long guns searching for their fellow perpetrator student.

PREVENTION IS SO MUCH BETTER.

No no no. Peoples FEELINGS are much more important. Good forbid someone has to see a likely female police officer in their school. They might get…upset!