Tell me what we can do about the guns

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Anonymous wrote:A child from my daughter's school was murdered on Tuesday. Just sitting in his apartment, playing video games, shot in the head by a random bullet from gunfire outside his apartment.

His mother, mourning her child right now- that could be me. That could be you. We can play pretend, oh I don't live in one of those apartment complexes, that's where all this stuff happens, I live in a "nice" neighborhood, I live on a cul-de-sac, I live in Bethesda, whatever. The median income in Newtown, where Sandy Hook happened: $127,602. Who are we kidding? The HHI y'all love so darn much can't insulate you from this; this can happen anywhere now.

I can't wait anymore, it's time. This was more than close enough to home for me. Tell me what to do. I will follow you, I will follow anyone with a plan.

I'm not going to debate guns. You can't tell me someone is going to throw a knife into a random child's home and kill them while they eat dinner. Guns are the problem. Enough is enough.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/child-shot-in-prince-georges-county-police-say/2782491/

I live in an area that has had a ton of guns forever and shootings, much less shootings that result in death, are exceedingly rare.

Same here.

Grew up around guns. Lots of them, and they were unlocked.

Difference between us as kids and the kids today: we didn’t use guns on our fellow man.

Keep your unconstitutional laws to yourself; my rights are NOT negotiable!!

Let's challenge this idea that guns are not a problems in certain areas with "lots of them."



The states with the highest firearm fatality rates per 100,000 people in 2019:

Alaska
Mississippi
Wyoming
New Mexico
Alabama
Louisiana
Missouri
South Carolina
Arkansas
Montana
Oklahoma
Tennessee
West Virginia

Does this look like a list of urban strongholds to you?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

“Gun deaths” doesn’t represent homicides. Most gun deaths are suicides.

Ok.

And?

That's all the more reason to limit access.

You’re the one talking about “urban strongholds.” I’m merely correcting your misconception.

You actually didn't even prove that "most" gun deaths are suicides. Please cite your source, or I will ask Jeff to delete.

Regardless, a gun problem is a gun problem, whether it is homicide or "just" suicide.

Perhaps people's lives are expendable to you. I'd like to push back on that.

What? Now DCUM deletes posts that don't "cite a source"? Please, half the posts here would be gone if that was the policy. In any case the stats are readily available, use your Google.

BTW, the 2019 firearm death rate in DC would put us on that list of top states you have (CDC didn't list DC as a state) -- at 18.3/100000 we were higher than West Virginia and about equal to Oklahoma or Tennessee. And that's with very very few gun suicides here. Since the major spike in murders that happened in 2020/21 I think it's likely that DC would be near the very top of that list. Homicides this year look like they will be up about 25% over 2019. If you translate that increase into firearms death rates, and assume that rural states haven't really changed, DC would now be third on the list. (Again likely with few suicides).

Source for DC 2019 firearms death rates: https://efsgv.org/state/district-of-columbia/

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Anonymous wrote:A child from my daughter's school was murdered on Tuesday. Just sitting in his apartment, playing video games, shot in the head by a random bullet from gunfire outside his apartment.

His mother, mourning her child right now- that could be me. That could be you. We can play pretend, oh I don't live in one of those apartment complexes, that's where all this stuff happens, I live in a "nice" neighborhood, I live on a cul-de-sac, I live in Bethesda, whatever. The median income in Newtown, where Sandy Hook happened: $127,602. Who are we kidding? The HHI y'all love so darn much can't insulate you from this; this can happen anywhere now.

I can't wait anymore, it's time. This was more than close enough to home for me. Tell me what to do. I will follow you, I will follow anyone with a plan.

I'm not going to debate guns. You can't tell me someone is going to throw a knife into a random child's home and kill them while they eat dinner. Guns are the problem. Enough is enough.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/child-shot-in-prince-georges-county-police-say/2782491/

I live in an area that has had a ton of guns forever and shootings, much less shootings that result in death, are exceedingly rare.

Same here.

Grew up around guns. Lots of them, and they were unlocked.

Difference between us as kids and the kids today: we didn’t use guns on our fellow man.

Keep your unconstitutional laws to yourself; my rights are NOT negotiable!!

Let's challenge this idea that guns are not a problems in certain areas with "lots of them."



The states with the highest firearm fatality rates per 100,000 people in 2019:

Alaska
Mississippi
Wyoming
New Mexico
Alabama
Louisiana
Missouri
South Carolina
Arkansas
Montana
Oklahoma
Tennessee
West Virginia

Does this look like a list of urban strongholds to you?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

“Gun deaths” doesn’t represent homicides. Most gun deaths are suicides.

Ok.

And?

That's all the more reason to limit access.

You’re the one talking about “urban strongholds.” I’m merely correcting your misconception.

You actually didn't even prove that "most" gun deaths are suicides. Please cite your source, or I will ask Jeff to delete.

Regardless, a gun problem is a gun problem, whether it is homicide or "just" suicide.

Perhaps people's lives are expendable to you. I'd like to push back on that.

DP, it’s in the CDC report linked in the scare map that was posted. Here are come examples:
Wyoming. Firearm Injury death rate 22.3/100,000. Homicide rate 4.4/100,000
Oklahoma FA 18.6 versus HR 8.8
West Virginia FA 16.6 versus 5.7
I could go on, but is very apparent that half - 3/4 of Firearm deaths are suicide.

And how you control murders like what happen to the kids getting gunned down in DC is to worry more about the criminal than the inanimate object. But that would be considered racist.

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Anonymous wrote:You could tax the shit out of guns, I suppose. Make them crazy expensive.

Our problem in DC is guns flowing in from Virginia.

Really we just need to repeal the 2nd amendment.

It is really hard to legislate gun control because there are too many people with moderate to conservative views who believe that gun rights outweigh gun control issues and they don't want "slippery slope" issues.

The above PP has the right idea...a tax. But the way to make it more pervasive is not to tax guns, but to tax ammunition. Put a heavy tax on ammunition, per bullet. If you add a tax of $5 per bullet, this gets closer to the desired effect. You are going to have less impact on low capacity hunting rifles and more of an impact on high capacity cartridges. We've been trying to legislate that higher capacity cartridges or weapons are the problem, but there has even been pushback on those. So tax it. Add $100 to the price of a cartridge of ammunition for a multi-round cartridge and see how willing they are to use those devices.

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First thing I do if I am a criminal with a gun … rob a Dick’s and steal a bunch of ammo. No taxes there. God you people are dumb. CRIMINALS use guns to rob, to threaten, and to kill others and criminals by definition don’t follow laws. So pass as many laws as you like. It won’t stop gun violence. At all. The only thing that might stop a criminal with a gun is a cop with a gun or a citizen with a gun or another criminal with a gun. But, sure preach about gun control from your safe, lily-white suburban enclave.

Here is my question: how are American criminals so brilliant? Why don’t criminals in UK, Japan, Germany have so many guns? Why don’t they need vigilante citizens with guns? Who do you think you are, Batman? This may be news to you but Batman hates guns too.

We don’t want to live in a bubble, we want a similar quality of life as our peers in other countries. And that includes less gun violence.

You think that the differences with other countries (European (re: white) and Asian cited) are guns, when its actually the people. The people with guns are the problem, not the guns. So why do people here kill so many more than they do in your idealistic countries? Yes, you're going to say they kill more here because they have the better tool by which to kill. So you think criminals in those other countries are just lazy? Or, (put your thinking cap on) why do criminals use guns to shoot others so much more here? If we didn't have guns at all are you suggesting that our violent crime rate would be the same as other countries? Really? You believe that?

I’m not following the argument here. Is it that American criminals are more violent? Or that America has a greater number of violent criminals?

Why would this be? There are violent criminals in every country, there are marginalized communities in every country, most countries have persecuted minorities? What is the basis for this idea that American criminals are just more violent?

Is the inverse true? Would they be murdering just as many people without guns? Because I don’t think that is true. The little boy who was shot through his window would not have been murdered by any other object but a gun.

Would there be so much of this death without guns?

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Anonymous wrote:A child from my daughter's school was murdered on Tuesday. Just sitting in his apartment, playing video games, shot in the head by a random bullet from gunfire outside his apartment.

His mother, mourning her child right now- that could be me. That could be you. We can play pretend, oh I don't live in one of those apartment complexes, that's where all this stuff happens, I live in a "nice" neighborhood, I live on a cul-de-sac, I live in Bethesda, whatever. The median income in Newtown, where Sandy Hook happened: $127,602. Who are we kidding? The HHI y'all love so darn much can't insulate you from this; this can happen anywhere now.

I can't wait anymore, it's time. This was more than close enough to home for me. Tell me what to do. I will follow you, I will follow anyone with a plan.

I'm not going to debate guns. You can't tell me someone is going to throw a knife into a random child's home and kill them while they eat dinner. Guns are the problem. Enough is enough.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/child-shot-in-prince-georges-county-police-say/2782491/

I live in an area that has had a ton of guns forever and shootings, much less shootings that result in death, are exceedingly rare.

Same here.

Grew up around guns. Lots of them, and they were unlocked.

Difference between us as kids and the kids today: we didn’t use guns on our fellow man.

Keep your unconstitutional laws to yourself; my rights are NOT negotiable!!

Let's challenge this idea that guns are not a problems in certain areas with "lots of them."



The states with the highest firearm fatality rates per 100,000 people in 2019:

Alaska
Mississippi
Wyoming
New Mexico
Alabama
Louisiana
Missouri
South Carolina
Arkansas
Montana
Oklahoma
Tennessee
West Virginia

Does this look like a list of urban strongholds to you?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

“Gun deaths” doesn’t represent homicides. Most gun deaths are suicides.

Ok.

And?

That's all the more reason to limit access.

You’re the one talking about “urban strongholds.” I’m merely correcting your misconception.

You actually didn't even prove that "most" gun deaths are suicides. Please cite your source, or I will ask Jeff to delete.

Regardless, a gun problem is a gun problem, whether it is homicide or "just" suicide.

Perhaps people's lives are expendable to you. I'd like to push back on that.

Is this where we are now in debates? Prove what you said or I'll ask the mod to delete your post? How about YOU prove that most gun deaths AREN'T suicides or I'll ask Jeff to delete YOUR post?

Yes, posting proof for a claim, especially such a blithe “oh those are just suicides” type of claim, is where we are in debates. LOL

Then by all means, cite your sources for the rebuttal instead of simply complaining.

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Anonymous wrote:You could tax the shit out of guns, I suppose. Make them crazy expensive.

Our problem in DC is guns flowing in from Virginia.

Really we just need to repeal the 2nd amendment.

It is really hard to legislate gun control because there are too many people with moderate to conservative views who believe that gun rights outweigh gun control issues and they don't want "slippery slope" issues.

The above PP has the right idea...a tax. But the way to make it more pervasive is not to tax guns, but to tax ammunition. Put a heavy tax on ammunition, per bullet. If you add a tax of $5 per bullet, this gets closer to the desired effect. You are going to have less impact on low capacity hunting rifles and more of an impact on high capacity cartridges. We've been trying to legislate that higher capacity cartridges or weapons are the problem, but there has even been pushback on those. So tax it. Add $100 to the price of a cartridge of ammunition for a multi-round cartridge and see how willing they are to use those devices.

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First thing I do if I am a criminal with a gun … rob a Dick’s and steal a bunch of ammo. No taxes there. God you people are dumb. CRIMINALS use guns to rob, to threaten, and to kill others and criminals by definition don’t follow laws. So pass as many laws as you like. It won’t stop gun violence. At all. The only thing that might stop a criminal with a gun is a cop with a gun or a citizen with a gun or another criminal with a gun. But, sure preach about gun control from your safe, lily-white suburban enclave.

Here is my question: how are American criminals so brilliant? Why don’t criminals in UK, Japan, Germany have so many guns? Why don’t they need vigilante citizens with guns? Who do you think you are, Batman? This may be news to you but Batman hates guns too.

We don’t want to live in a bubble, we want a similar quality of life as our peers in other countries. And that includes less gun violence.

You think that the differences with other countries (European (re: white) and Asian cited) are guns, when its actually the people. The people with guns are the problem, not the guns. So why do people here kill so many more than they do in your idealistic countries? Yes, you're going to say they kill more here because they have the better tool by which to kill. So you think criminals in those other countries are just lazy? Or, (put your thinking cap on) why do criminals use guns to shoot others so much more here? If we didn't have guns at all are you suggesting that our violent crime rate would be the same as other countries? Really? You believe that?

I’m not following the argument here. Is it that American criminals are more violent? YES Or that America has a greater number of violent criminals? YES

Why would this be? THAT’S WHAT I ASKED YOU. There are violent criminals in every country, there are marginalized communities in every country, most countries have persecuted minorities? TRUE. What is the basis for this idea that American criminals are just more violent? THAT’S WHAT I ASKED YOU.

Is the inverse true? Would they be murdering just as many people without guns? NO, IT WOULD BE HARDER TO KILL THATS TRUE Because I don’t think that is true. The little boy who was shot through his window would not have been murdered by any other object but a gun. TECHNICALLY HE WAS KILLED BY THE BULLET AND THE PERSON THAT FIRED THE GUN, NOT THE GUN ITSELF (BUT I AM BEING A STICKLER). IT IS LESS LIKELY THAT HE WOULD HAVE BEED KILLED BY ACCIDENT, BUT ACCIDENTS STILL HAPPEN ESPECIALLY WHEN DANGEROUS PEOPLE ARE AROUND. THINK ABOUT COLLATERAL DAMAGE FROM SUICIDE BOMBERS FOR EXAMPLE.

Would there be so much of this death without guns? PROBABLY NOT, BUT GUNS ARE NOT THE ROOT CAUSE. PEOPLE ARE. WHY ARE MORE PEOPLE VIOLENT CRIMINALS IN THIS COUNTRY THEN THE EUROPEAN AND ASIAN COUNTRIES YOU CITED? TRY ANSWERING VS. ASKING MORE QUESTIONS THIS TIME.

See in line above. The bold is not yelling, it is simply to distinguish the responses.

[Anonymous]

A gun is an inanimate object until it is put in the hands of a person willing to use it. The person, the human, is the critical part here.

Guns have been around in this country, and elsewhere, for centuries. Why is there so much gun violence now? It’s the people using them.

We has stockpiles of nuclear weapons that are useless unless a person (or people, most likely) takes some sort of action to use them.

So, the question should be, what can we do about the people?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A gun is an inanimate object until it is put in the hands of a person willing to use it. The person, the human, is the critical part here.

Guns have been around in this country, and elsewhere, for centuries. Why is there so much gun violence now? It’s the people using them.

We has stockpiles of nuclear weapons that are useless unless a person (or people, most likely) takes some sort of action to use them.

So, the question should be, what can we do about the people?

So why not give everyone access to nuclear weapons? Why not let every country and individual that wants a nuclear weapon have one? Especially if up until that point, they’ve been a law abiding citizen? After all, it’s just the people, right?

And you don’t think there’s a difference between the guns now and the guns from “centuries” ago?

The pro gun arguments on here are getting increasingly stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You could tax the shit out of guns, I suppose. Make them crazy expensive.

Our problem in DC is guns flowing in from Virginia.

Really we just need to repeal the 2nd amendment.

It is really hard to legislate gun control because there are too many people with moderate to conservative views who believe that gun rights outweigh gun control issues and they don't want "slippery slope" issues.

The above PP has the right idea...a tax. But the way to make it more pervasive is not to tax guns, but to tax ammunition. Put a heavy tax on ammunition, per bullet. If you add a tax of $5 per bullet, this gets closer to the desired effect. You are going to have less impact on low capacity hunting rifles and more of an impact on high capacity cartridges. We've been trying to legislate that higher capacity cartridges or weapons are the problem, but there has even been pushback on those. So tax it. Add $100 to the price of a cartridge of ammunition for a multi-round cartridge and see how willing they are to use those devices.

.



First thing I do if I am a criminal with a gun … rob a Dick’s and steal a bunch of ammo. No taxes there. God you people are dumb. CRIMINALS use guns to rob, to threaten, and to kill others and criminals by definition don’t follow laws. So pass as many laws as you like. It won’t stop gun violence. At all. The only thing that might stop a criminal with a gun is a cop with a gun or a citizen with a gun or another criminal with a gun. But, sure preach about gun control from your safe, lily-white suburban enclave.

Here is my question: how are American criminals so brilliant? Why don’t criminals in UK, Japan, Germany have so many guns? Why don’t they need vigilante citizens with guns? Who do you think you are, Batman? This may be news to you but Batman hates guns too.

We don’t want to live in a bubble, we want a similar quality of life as our peers in other countries. And that includes less gun violence.

You think that the differences with other countries (European (re: white) and Asian cited) are guns, when its actually the people. The people with guns are the problem, not the guns. So why do people here kill so many more than they do in your idealistic countries? Yes, you're going to say they kill more here because they have the better tool by which to kill. So you think criminals in those other countries are just lazy? Or, (put your thinking cap on) why do criminals use guns to shoot others so much more here? If we didn't have guns at all are you suggesting that our violent crime rate would be the same as other countries? Really? You believe that?

I’m not following the argument here. Is it that American criminals are more violent? YES Or that America has a greater number of violent criminals? YES

Why would this be? THAT’S WHAT I ASKED YOU. There are violent criminals in every country, there are marginalized communities in every country, most countries have persecuted minorities? TRUE. What is the basis for this idea that American criminals are just more violent? THAT’S WHAT I ASKED YOU.

Is the inverse true? Would they be murdering just as many people without guns? NO, IT WOULD BE HARDER TO KILL THATS TRUE Because I don’t think that is true. The little boy who was shot through his window would not have been murdered by any other object but a gun. TECHNICALLY HE WAS KILLED BY THE BULLET AND THE PERSON THAT FIRED THE GUN, NOT THE GUN ITSELF (BUT I AM BEING A STICKLER). IT IS LESS LIKELY THAT HE WOULD HAVE BEED KILLED BY ACCIDENT, BUT ACCIDENTS STILL HAPPEN ESPECIALLY WHEN DANGEROUS PEOPLE ARE AROUND. THINK ABOUT COLLATERAL DAMAGE FROM SUICIDE BOMBERS FOR EXAMPLE.

Would there be so much of this death without guns? PROBABLY NOT, BUT GUNS ARE NOT THE ROOT CAUSE. PEOPLE ARE. WHY ARE MORE PEOPLE VIOLENT CRIMINALS IN THIS COUNTRY THEN THE EUROPEAN AND ASIAN COUNTRIES YOU CITED? TRY ANSWERING VS. ASKING MORE QUESTIONS THIS TIME.

See in line above. The bold is not yelling, it is simply to distinguish the responses.

We agree on one thing- that the gun itself is particularly lethal. I’m not buying this bullshit “Americans are extra bad” argument, sorry. There’s no basis for it other than it being your opinion, and I don’t care about your opinion. I’m glad we’ve closed this matter.

So what can we do about the guns y’all?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A gun is an inanimate object until it is put in the hands of a person willing to use it. The person, the human, is the critical part here.

Guns have been around in this country, and elsewhere, for centuries. Why is there so much gun violence now? It’s the people using them.

We has stockpiles of nuclear weapons that are useless unless a person (or people, most likely) takes some sort of action to use them.

So, the question should be, what can we do about the people?

So why not give everyone access to nuclear weapons? Why not let every country and individual that wants a nuclear weapon have one? Especially if up until that point, they’ve been a law abiding citizen? After all, it’s just the people, right?

And you don’t think there’s a difference between the guns now and the guns from “centuries” ago?

The pro gun arguments on here are getting increasingly stupid.

You equated gun ownership to that of nuclear weapons..... You have made it clear that you're either a troll, or just lack common sense. Either way, I am glad for you and your families sake that YOU don't own guns.

[Anonymous]

Kalorama Park at 9 pm is too close to home for some moneyed powerful people, will that do it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A gun is an inanimate object until it is put in the hands of a person willing to use it. The person, the human, is the critical part here.

Guns have been around in this country, and elsewhere, for centuries. Why is there so much gun violence now? It’s the people using them.

We has stockpiles of nuclear weapons that are useless unless a person (or people, most likely) takes some sort of action to use them.

So, the question should be, what can we do about the people?

So why not give everyone access to nuclear weapons? Why not let every country and individual that wants a nuclear weapon have one? Especially if up until that point, they’ve been a law abiding citizen? After all, it’s just the people, right?

And you don’t think there’s a difference between the guns now and the guns from “centuries” ago?

The pro gun arguments on here are getting increasingly stupid.

You equated gun ownership to that of nuclear weapons..... You have made it clear that you're either a troll, or just lack common sense. Either way, I am glad for you and your families sake that YOU don't own guns.

I’m sorry that using your own absurd “logic” is so grotesquely stupid you can’t stand it. That must suck!

[Anonymous]

I don’t purport to have an answer, but I feel terrible for that kid and his families. Completely unacceptable that this could ever happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You could tax the shit out of guns, I suppose. Make them crazy expensive.

Our problem in DC is guns flowing in from Virginia.

Really we just need to repeal the 2nd amendment.

It is really hard to legislate gun control because there are too many people with moderate to conservative views who believe that gun rights outweigh gun control issues and they don't want "slippery slope" issues.

The above PP has the right idea...a tax. But the way to make it more pervasive is not to tax guns, but to tax ammunition. Put a heavy tax on ammunition, per bullet. If you add a tax of $5 per bullet, this gets closer to the desired effect. You are going to have less impact on low capacity hunting rifles and more of an impact on high capacity cartridges. We've been trying to legislate that higher capacity cartridges or weapons are the problem, but there has even been pushback on those. So tax it. Add $100 to the price of a cartridge of ammunition for a multi-round cartridge and see how willing they are to use those devices.

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First thing I do if I am a criminal with a gun … rob a Dick’s and steal a bunch of ammo. No taxes there. God you people are dumb. CRIMINALS use guns to rob, to threaten, and to kill others and criminals by definition don’t follow laws. So pass as many laws as you like. It won’t stop gun violence. At all. The only thing that might stop a criminal with a gun is a cop with a gun or a citizen with a gun or another criminal with a gun. But, sure preach about gun control from your safe, lily-white suburban enclave.

Here is my question: how are American criminals so brilliant? Why don’t criminals in UK, Japan, Germany have so many guns? Why don’t they need vigilante citizens with guns? Who do you think you are, Batman? This may be news to you but Batman hates guns too.

We don’t want to live in a bubble, we want a similar quality of life as our peers in other countries. And that includes less gun violence.

You think that the differences with other countries (European (re: white) and Asian cited) are guns, when its actually the people. The people with guns are the problem, not the guns. So why do people here kill so many more than they do in your idealistic countries? Yes, you're going to say they kill more here because they have the better tool by which to kill. So you think criminals in those other countries are just lazy? Or, (put your thinking cap on) why do criminals use guns to shoot others so much more here? If we didn't have guns at all are you suggesting that our violent crime rate would be the same as other countries? Really? You believe that?

I’m not following the argument here. Is it that American criminals are more violent? Or that America has a greater number of violent criminals?

Why would this be? There are violent criminals in every country, there are marginalized communities in every country, most countries have persecuted minorities? What is the basis for this idea that American criminals are just more violent?

Is the inverse true? Would they be murdering just as many people without guns? Because I don’t think that is true. The little boy who was shot through his window would not have been murdered by any other object but a gun.

Would there be so much of this death without guns?

Conversely, I'm very happy to be able to defend my home with something other than a kitchen knife.

[Anonymous]

So the people pretending they are a vigilante cowboy in their suburban tract houses or that Americans are just worse than other nationalities are advancing a really extreme argument that I think the average DCUM poster finds stupid.

However, the amount of brigading in this thread makes something else obvious- extremists are the only ones who really care about this. The rest of us are sitting around twiddling our thumbs while the extremists are willing to do what they need to do.

[Anonymous]

1/2 of country agrees with you OP. The other 1/2, hiding behind Constitution, not so much.