Tell me what we can do about the guns

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A child from my daughter's school was murdered on Tuesday. Just sitting in his apartment, playing video games, shot in the head by a random bullet from gunfire outside his apartment.

His mother, mourning her child right now- that could be me. That could be you. We can play pretend, oh I don't live in one of those apartment complexes, that's where all this stuff happens, I live in a "nice" neighborhood, I live on a cul-de-sac, I live in Bethesda, whatever. The median income in Newtown, where Sandy Hook happened: $127,602. Who are we kidding? The HHI y'all love so darn much can't insulate you from this; this can happen anywhere now.

I can't wait anymore, it's time. This was more than close enough to home for me. Tell me what to do. I will follow you, I will follow anyone with a plan.

I'm not going to debate guns. You can't tell me someone is going to throw a knife into a random child's home and kill them while they eat dinner. Guns are the problem. Enough is enough.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/child-shot-in-prince-georges-county-police-say/2782491/

I live in an area that has had a ton of guns forever and shootings, much less shootings that result in death, are exceedingly rare.

Same here.

Grew up around guns. Lots of them, and they were unlocked.

Difference between us as kids and the kids today: we didn’t use guns on our fellow man.

Keep your unconstitutional laws to yourself; my rights are NOT negotiable!!

Let's challenge this idea that guns are not a problems in certain areas with "lots of them."



The states with the highest firearm fatality rates per 100,000 people in 2019:

Alaska
Mississippi
Wyoming
New Mexico
Alabama
Louisiana
Missouri
South Carolina
Arkansas
Montana
Oklahoma
Tennessee
West Virginia

Does this look like a list of urban strongholds to you?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A child from my daughter's school was murdered on Tuesday. Just sitting in his apartment, playing video games, shot in the head by a random bullet from gunfire outside his apartment.

His mother, mourning her child right now- that could be me. That could be you. We can play pretend, oh I don't live in one of those apartment complexes, that's where all this stuff happens, I live in a "nice" neighborhood, I live on a cul-de-sac, I live in Bethesda, whatever. The median income in Newtown, where Sandy Hook happened: $127,602. Who are we kidding? The HHI y'all love so darn much can't insulate you from this; this can happen anywhere now.

I can't wait anymore, it's time. This was more than close enough to home for me. Tell me what to do. I will follow you, I will follow anyone with a plan.

I'm not going to debate guns. You can't tell me someone is going to throw a knife into a random child's home and kill them while they eat dinner. Guns are the problem. Enough is enough.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/child-shot-in-prince-georges-county-police-say/2782491/

I live in an area that has had a ton of guns forever and shootings, much less shootings that result in death, are exceedingly rare.

Same here.

Grew up around guns. Lots of them, and they were unlocked.

Difference between us as kids and the kids today: we didn’t use guns on our fellow man.

Keep your unconstitutional laws to yourself; my rights are NOT negotiable!!

Let's challenge this idea that guns are not a problems in certain areas with "lots of them."



The states with the highest firearm fatality rates per 100,000 people in 2019:

Alaska
Mississippi
Wyoming
New Mexico
Alabama
Louisiana
Missouri
South Carolina
Arkansas
Montana
Oklahoma
Tennessee
West Virginia

Does this look like a list of urban strongholds to you?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

“Gun deaths” doesn’t represent homicides. Most gun deaths are suicides.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A child from my daughter's school was murdered on Tuesday. Just sitting in his apartment, playing video games, shot in the head by a random bullet from gunfire outside his apartment.

His mother, mourning her child right now- that could be me. That could be you. We can play pretend, oh I don't live in one of those apartment complexes, that's where all this stuff happens, I live in a "nice" neighborhood, I live on a cul-de-sac, I live in Bethesda, whatever. The median income in Newtown, where Sandy Hook happened: $127,602. Who are we kidding? The HHI y'all love so darn much can't insulate you from this; this can happen anywhere now.

I can't wait anymore, it's time. This was more than close enough to home for me. Tell me what to do. I will follow you, I will follow anyone with a plan.

I'm not going to debate guns. You can't tell me someone is going to throw a knife into a random child's home and kill them while they eat dinner. Guns are the problem. Enough is enough.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/child-shot-in-prince-georges-county-police-say/2782491/

I live in an area that has had a ton of guns forever and shootings, much less shootings that result in death, are exceedingly rare.

Same here.

Grew up around guns. Lots of them, and they were unlocked.

Difference between us as kids and the kids today: we didn’t use guns on our fellow man.

Keep your unconstitutional laws to yourself; my rights are NOT negotiable!!

Let's challenge this idea that guns are not a problems in certain areas with "lots of them."



The states with the highest firearm fatality rates per 100,000 people in 2019:

Alaska
Mississippi
Wyoming
New Mexico
Alabama
Louisiana
Missouri
South Carolina
Arkansas
Montana
Oklahoma
Tennessee
West Virginia

Does this look like a list of urban strongholds to you?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

“Gun deaths” doesn’t represent homicides. Most gun deaths are suicides.

Ok.

And?

That's all the more reason to limit access.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A child from my daughter's school was murdered on Tuesday. Just sitting in his apartment, playing video games, shot in the head by a random bullet from gunfire outside his apartment.

His mother, mourning her child right now- that could be me. That could be you. We can play pretend, oh I don't live in one of those apartment complexes, that's where all this stuff happens, I live in a "nice" neighborhood, I live on a cul-de-sac, I live in Bethesda, whatever. The median income in Newtown, where Sandy Hook happened: $127,602. Who are we kidding? The HHI y'all love so darn much can't insulate you from this; this can happen anywhere now.

I can't wait anymore, it's time. This was more than close enough to home for me. Tell me what to do. I will follow you, I will follow anyone with a plan.

I'm not going to debate guns. You can't tell me someone is going to throw a knife into a random child's home and kill them while they eat dinner. Guns are the problem. Enough is enough.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/child-shot-in-prince-georges-county-police-say/2782491/

I live in an area that has had a ton of guns forever and shootings, much less shootings that result in death, are exceedingly rare.

Same here.

Grew up around guns. Lots of them, and they were unlocked.

Difference between us as kids and the kids today: we didn’t use guns on our fellow man.

Keep your unconstitutional laws to yourself; my rights are NOT negotiable!!

Let's challenge this idea that guns are not a problems in certain areas with "lots of them."



The states with the highest firearm fatality rates per 100,000 people in 2019:

Alaska
Mississippi
Wyoming
New Mexico
Alabama
Louisiana
Missouri
South Carolina
Arkansas
Montana
Oklahoma
Tennessee
West Virginia

Does this look like a list of urban strongholds to you?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

“Gun deaths” doesn’t represent homicides. Most gun deaths are suicides.

Ok.

And?

That's all the more reason to limit access.

You’re the one talking about “urban strongholds.” I’m merely correcting your misconception.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A child from my daughter's school was murdered on Tuesday. Just sitting in his apartment, playing video games, shot in the head by a random bullet from gunfire outside his apartment.

His mother, mourning her child right now- that could be me. That could be you. We can play pretend, oh I don't live in one of those apartment complexes, that's where all this stuff happens, I live in a "nice" neighborhood, I live on a cul-de-sac, I live in Bethesda, whatever. The median income in Newtown, where Sandy Hook happened: $127,602. Who are we kidding? The HHI y'all love so darn much can't insulate you from this; this can happen anywhere now.

I can't wait anymore, it's time. This was more than close enough to home for me. Tell me what to do. I will follow you, I will follow anyone with a plan.

I'm not going to debate guns. You can't tell me someone is going to throw a knife into a random child's home and kill them while they eat dinner. Guns are the problem. Enough is enough.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/child-shot-in-prince-georges-county-police-say/2782491/

I live in an area that has had a ton of guns forever and shootings, much less shootings that result in death, are exceedingly rare.

Same here.

Grew up around guns. Lots of them, and they were unlocked.

Difference between us as kids and the kids today: we didn’t use guns on our fellow man.

Keep your unconstitutional laws to yourself; my rights are NOT negotiable!!

Let's challenge this idea that guns are not a problems in certain areas with "lots of them."



The states with the highest firearm fatality rates per 100,000 people in 2019:

Alaska
Mississippi
Wyoming
New Mexico
Alabama
Louisiana
Missouri
South Carolina
Arkansas
Montana
Oklahoma
Tennessee
West Virginia

Does this look like a list of urban strongholds to you?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

“Gun deaths” doesn’t represent homicides. Most gun deaths are suicides.

Ok.

And?

That's all the more reason to limit access.

You’re the one talking about “urban strongholds.” I’m merely correcting your misconception.

You actually didn't even prove that "most" gun deaths are suicides. Please cite your source, or I will ask Jeff to delete.

Regardless, a gun problem is a gun problem, whether it is homicide or "just" suicide.

Perhaps people's lives are expendable to you. I'd like to push back on that.

[Anonymous]

I guess fundamentally I don't understand people who don't look around and see what a problem we have, and who still aren't willing to try limiting access to guns. My kids don't throw rocks when we go to the park but some kids we play with do, so we make sure to keep those rocks away from everyone when we are there even though my kids can responsibly handle them. It doesn't feel like I'm denying anyone anything, it just feels like making s decision based on the common good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess fundamentally I don't understand people who don't look around and see what a problem we have, and who still aren't willing to try limiting access to guns. My kids don't throw rocks when we go to the park but some kids we play with do, so we make sure to keep those rocks away from everyone when we are there even though my kids can responsibly handle them. It doesn't feel like I'm denying anyone anything, it just feels like making s decision based on the common good.

They don't care. Look at this fool in the post above yours who thinks he has a slam dunk because people are murdering themselves with guns all over the country. Is this someone who values life? Is that someone who values the "common good?"

We can't even get people to put a piece of cloth on their faces for the "common good" and I think the only remedy at this point is an old-fashioned one: shame. We need to shame these freaks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You could tax the shit out of guns, I suppose. Make them crazy expensive.

Our problem in DC is guns flowing in from Virginia.

Really we just need to repeal the 2nd amendment.

It is really hard to legislate gun control because there are too many people with moderate to conservative views who believe that gun rights outweigh gun control issues and they don't want "slippery slope" issues.

The above PP has the right idea...a tax. But the way to make it more pervasive is not to tax guns, but to tax ammunition. Put a heavy tax on ammunition, per bullet. If you add a tax of $5 per bullet, this gets closer to the desired effect. You are going to have less impact on low capacity hunting rifles and more of an impact on high capacity cartridges. We've been trying to legislate that higher capacity cartridges or weapons are the problem, but there has even been pushback on those. So tax it. Add $100 to the price of a cartridge of ammunition for a multi-round cartridge and see how willing they are to use those devices.

“High capacity cartridges?”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess fundamentally I don't understand people who don't look around and see what a problem we have, and who still aren't willing to try limiting access to guns. My kids don't throw rocks when we go to the park but some kids we play with do, so we make sure to keep those rocks away from everyone when we are there even though my kids can responsibly handle them. It doesn't feel like I'm denying anyone anything, it just feels like making s decision based on the common good.

They don't care. Look at this fool in the post above yours who thinks he has a slam dunk because people are murdering themselves with guns all over the country. Is this someone who values life? Is that someone who values the "common good?"

We can't even get people to put a piece of cloth on their faces for the "common good" and I think the only remedy at this point is an old-fashioned one: shame. We need to shame these freaks.

Whoa, not PP but your attitude toward people with different opinions as you will make it difficult for you to ever find solutions.

I agree with you that guns are clearly an issue AND that it’s awful to see people taking their own lives. However, there is a difference between taking your own life vs recklessly endangering the lives of others. 6 year olds murdered in the streets is completely unacceptable for our society at large.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I guess fundamentally I don't understand people who don't look around and see what a problem we have, and who still aren't willing to try limiting access to guns. My kids don't throw rocks when we go to the park but some kids we play with do, so we make sure to keep those rocks away from everyone when we are there even though my kids can responsibly handle them. It doesn't feel like I'm denying anyone anything, it just feels like making s decision based on the common good.

They don't care. Look at this fool in the post above yours who thinks he has a slam dunk because people are murdering themselves with guns all over the country. Is this someone who values life? Is that someone who values the "common good?"

We can't even get people to put a piece of cloth on their faces for the "common good" and I think the only remedy at this point is an old-fashioned one: shame. We need to shame these freaks.

Who do you plan on shaming and how? Genuinely curious. Because if a person is willing to drive through an apartment complex and shoot bullets into a crowd, without regard for what might happen or who he might hit or kill, I don’t think there is any way to shame him. He doesn’t care that don’t like his actions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You could tax the shit out of guns, I suppose. Make them crazy expensive.

Our problem in DC is guns flowing in from Virginia.

Really we just need to repeal the 2nd amendment.

It is really hard to legislate gun control because there are too many people with moderate to conservative views who believe that gun rights outweigh gun control issues and they don't want "slippery slope" issues.

The above PP has the right idea...a tax. But the way to make it more pervasive is not to tax guns, but to tax ammunition. Put a heavy tax on ammunition, per bullet. If you add a tax of $5 per bullet, this gets closer to the desired effect. You are going to have less impact on low capacity hunting rifles and more of an impact on high capacity cartridges. We've been trying to legislate that higher capacity cartridges or weapons are the problem, but there has even been pushback on those. So tax it. Add $100 to the price of a cartridge of ammunition for a multi-round cartridge and see how willing they are to use those devices.

“High capacity cartridges?”

LOL. Not to mention "multi round cartridges".

I would suggest people stay in their lane and refrain from discussing matters of which they clearly have no base knowledge. But some of these posters are just too funny, so I hope they keep it up!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A child from my daughter's school was murdered on Tuesday. Just sitting in his apartment, playing video games, shot in the head by a random bullet from gunfire outside his apartment.

His mother, mourning her child right now- that could be me. That could be you. We can play pretend, oh I don't live in one of those apartment complexes, that's where all this stuff happens, I live in a "nice" neighborhood, I live on a cul-de-sac, I live in Bethesda, whatever. The median income in Newtown, where Sandy Hook happened: $127,602. Who are we kidding? The HHI y'all love so darn much can't insulate you from this; this can happen anywhere now.

I can't wait anymore, it's time. This was more than close enough to home for me. Tell me what to do. I will follow you, I will follow anyone with a plan.

I'm not going to debate guns. You can't tell me someone is going to throw a knife into a random child's home and kill them while they eat dinner. Guns are the problem. Enough is enough.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/child-shot-in-prince-georges-county-police-say/2782491/

I live in an area that has had a ton of guns forever and shootings, much less shootings that result in death, are exceedingly rare.

Same here.

Grew up around guns. Lots of them, and they were unlocked.

Difference between us as kids and the kids today: we didn’t use guns on our fellow man.

Keep your unconstitutional laws to yourself; my rights are NOT negotiable!!

Let's challenge this idea that guns are not a problems in certain areas with "lots of them."



The states with the highest firearm fatality rates per 100,000 people in 2019:

Alaska
Mississippi
Wyoming
New Mexico
Alabama
Louisiana
Missouri
South Carolina
Arkansas
Montana
Oklahoma
Tennessee
West Virginia

Does this look like a list of urban strongholds to you?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

“Gun deaths” doesn’t represent homicides. Most gun deaths are suicides.

Ok.

And?

That's all the more reason to limit access.

You’re the one talking about “urban strongholds.” I’m merely correcting your misconception.

You actually didn't even prove that "most" gun deaths are suicides. Please cite your source, or I will ask Jeff to delete.

Regardless, a gun problem is a gun problem, whether it is homicide or "just" suicide.

Perhaps people's lives are expendable to you. I'd like to push back on that.

Is this where we are now in debates? Prove what you said or I'll ask the mod to delete your post? How about YOU prove that most gun deaths AREN'T suicides or I'll ask Jeff to delete YOUR post?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I guess fundamentally I don't understand people who don't look around and see what a problem we have, and who still aren't willing to try limiting access to guns. My kids don't throw rocks when we go to the park but some kids we play with do, so we make sure to keep those rocks away from everyone when we are there even though my kids can responsibly handle them. It doesn't feel like I'm denying anyone anything, it just feels like making s decision based on the common good.

Look at this person who wants to ban rocks! Ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You could tax the shit out of guns, I suppose. Make them crazy expensive.

Our problem in DC is guns flowing in from Virginia.

Really we just need to repeal the 2nd amendment.

It is really hard to legislate gun control because there are too many people with moderate to conservative views who believe that gun rights outweigh gun control issues and they don't want "slippery slope" issues.

The above PP has the right idea...a tax. But the way to make it more pervasive is not to tax guns, but to tax ammunition. Put a heavy tax on ammunition, per bullet. If you add a tax of $5 per bullet, this gets closer to the desired effect. You are going to have less impact on low capacity hunting rifles and more of an impact on high capacity cartridges. We've been trying to legislate that higher capacity cartridges or weapons are the problem, but there has even been pushback on those. So tax it. Add $100 to the price of a cartridge of ammunition for a multi-round cartridge and see how willing they are to use those devices.

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First thing I do if I am a criminal with a gun … rob a Dick’s and steal a bunch of ammo. No taxes there. God you people are dumb. CRIMINALS use guns to rob, to threaten, and to kill others and criminals by definition don’t follow laws. So pass as many laws as you like. It won’t stop gun violence. At all. The only thing that might stop a criminal with a gun is a cop with a gun or a citizen with a gun or another criminal with a gun. But, sure preach about gun control from your safe, lily-white suburban enclave.

Here is my question: how are American criminals so brilliant? Why don’t criminals in UK, Japan, Germany have so many guns? Why don’t they need vigilante citizens with guns? Who do you think you are, Batman? This may be news to you but Batman hates guns too.

We don’t want to live in a bubble, we want a similar quality of life as our peers in other countries. And that includes less gun violence.

You think that the differences with other countries (European (re: white) and Asian cited) are guns, when its actually the people. The people with guns are the problem, not the guns. So why do people here kill so many more than they do in your idealistic countries? Yes, you're going to say they kill more here because they have the better tool by which to kill. So you think criminals in those other countries are just lazy? Or, (put your thinking cap on) why do criminals use guns to shoot others so much more here? If we didn't have guns at all are you suggesting that our violent crime rate would be the same as other countries? Really? You believe that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A child from my daughter's school was murdered on Tuesday. Just sitting in his apartment, playing video games, shot in the head by a random bullet from gunfire outside his apartment.

His mother, mourning her child right now- that could be me. That could be you. We can play pretend, oh I don't live in one of those apartment complexes, that's where all this stuff happens, I live in a "nice" neighborhood, I live on a cul-de-sac, I live in Bethesda, whatever. The median income in Newtown, where Sandy Hook happened: $127,602. Who are we kidding? The HHI y'all love so darn much can't insulate you from this; this can happen anywhere now.

I can't wait anymore, it's time. This was more than close enough to home for me. Tell me what to do. I will follow you, I will follow anyone with a plan.

I'm not going to debate guns. You can't tell me someone is going to throw a knife into a random child's home and kill them while they eat dinner. Guns are the problem. Enough is enough.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/child-shot-in-prince-georges-county-police-say/2782491/

I live in an area that has had a ton of guns forever and shootings, much less shootings that result in death, are exceedingly rare.

Same here.

Grew up around guns. Lots of them, and they were unlocked.

Difference between us as kids and the kids today: we didn’t use guns on our fellow man.

Keep your unconstitutional laws to yourself; my rights are NOT negotiable!!

Let's challenge this idea that guns are not a problems in certain areas with "lots of them."



The states with the highest firearm fatality rates per 100,000 people in 2019:

Alaska
Mississippi
Wyoming
New Mexico
Alabama
Louisiana
Missouri
South Carolina
Arkansas
Montana
Oklahoma
Tennessee
West Virginia

Does this look like a list of urban strongholds to you?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

“Gun deaths” doesn’t represent homicides. Most gun deaths are suicides.

Ok.

And?

That's all the more reason to limit access.

You’re the one talking about “urban strongholds.” I’m merely correcting your misconception.

You actually didn't even prove that "most" gun deaths are suicides. Please cite your source, or I will ask Jeff to delete.

Regardless, a gun problem is a gun problem, whether it is homicide or "just" suicide.

Perhaps people's lives are expendable to you. I'd like to push back on that.

Is this where we are now in debates? Prove what you said or I'll ask the mod to delete your post? How about YOU prove that most gun deaths AREN'T suicides or I'll ask Jeff to delete YOUR post?

Yes, posting proof for a claim, especially such a blithe “oh those are just suicides” type of claim, is where we are in debates. LOL