Tell me what we can do about the guns

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I really am not sure what can be done about the urban violence problem OP mentions. Maybe stronger penalties on whoever the last person was to legally register a gun if a crime is done with it to make it less likely it gets sold on the black market to the wrong people?

The lower hanging fruit seems to be to start with the type of problem like Sandy Hook, Columbine, Parkland - availability of crazy fast guns with too much ammo that belong on the battlefield not in a home. We should babystep in the right direction over time

I am OP and the event in question did not happen in an urban area at all. Smart people would see gun violence in the suburbs as a sign that this is not an “urban” problem but no one is going to accuse Americans of being smart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really am not sure what can be done about the urban violence problem OP mentions. Maybe stronger penalties on whoever the last person was to legally register a gun if a crime is done with it to make it less likely it gets sold on the black market to the wrong people?

The lower hanging fruit seems to be to start with the type of problem like Sandy Hook, Columbine, Parkland - availability of crazy fast guns with too much ammo that belong on the battlefield not in a home. We should babystep in the right direction over time

I am OP and the event in question did not happen in an urban area at all. Smart people would see gun violence in the suburbs as a sign that this is not an “urban” problem but no one is going to accuse Americans of being smart.

Exactly. A 14 year old killed two people last week with a ghost gun in Germantown.

What I want to know is what is the gun supply chain. How did that ghost gun get into that 14 year olds hands? I never see this talked about a lot. I hear about gun shows and bulk purchases in Florida that are brought to DC and NY. But who’s bringing them? Who are they giving the guns to when they arrive? How do they get passes through to young kids? That’s what I would like to understand better and I wish it was talked about more so that we can understand the full context of the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really am not sure what can be done about the urban violence problem OP mentions. Maybe stronger penalties on whoever the last person was to legally register a gun if a crime is done with it to make it less likely it gets sold on the black market to the wrong people?

The lower hanging fruit seems to be to start with the type of problem like Sandy Hook, Columbine, Parkland - availability of crazy fast guns with too much ammo that belong on the battlefield not in a home. We should babystep in the right direction over time

I am OP and the event in question did not happen in an urban area at all. Smart people would see gun violence in the suburbs as a sign that this is not an “urban” problem but no one is going to accuse Americans of being smart.

Exactly. A 14 year old killed two people last week with a ghost gun in Germantown.

What I want to know is what is the gun supply chain. How did that ghost gun get into that 14 year olds hands? I never see this talked about a lot. I hear about gun shows and bulk purchases in Florida that are brought to DC and NY. But who’s bringing them? Who are they giving the guns to when they arrive? How do they get passes through to young kids? That’s what I would like to understand better and I wish it was talked about more so that we can understand the full context of the problem.

The gun lobby has worked hard to minimize research on guns in America, but we can talk about this stuff. This can be a starting point, for all of us.

Anytime there is really ingrained stupidity in America I assume there is money behind that stupidity. The posters trying to derail this thread may be paid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You could tax the shit out of guns, I suppose. Make them crazy expensive.

Our problem in DC is guns flowing in from Virginia.

Really we just need to repeal the 2nd amendment.

It is really hard to legislate gun control because there are too many people with moderate to conservative views who believe that gun rights outweigh gun control issues and they don't want "slippery slope" issues.

The above PP has the right idea...a tax. But the way to make it more pervasive is not to tax guns, but to tax ammunition. Put a heavy tax on ammunition, per bullet. If you add a tax of $5 per bullet, this gets closer to the desired effect. You are going to have less impact on low capacity hunting rifles and more of an impact on high capacity cartridges. We've been trying to legislate that higher capacity cartridges or weapons are the problem, but there has even been pushback on those. So tax it. Add $100 to the price of a cartridge of ammunition for a multi-round cartridge and see how willing they are to use those devices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You could tax the shit out of guns, I suppose. Make them crazy expensive.

Our problem in DC is guns flowing in from Virginia.

Really we just need to repeal the 2nd amendment.

It is really hard to legislate gun control because there are too many people with moderate to conservative views who believe that gun rights outweigh gun control issues and they don't want "slippery slope" issues.

The above PP has the right idea...a tax. But the way to make it more pervasive is not to tax guns, but to tax ammunition. Put a heavy tax on ammunition, per bullet. If you add a tax of $5 per bullet, this gets closer to the desired effect. You are going to have less impact on low capacity hunting rifles and more of an impact on high capacity cartridges. We've been trying to legislate that higher capacity cartridges or weapons are the problem, but there has even been pushback on those. So tax it. Add $100 to the price of a cartridge of ammunition for a multi-round cartridge and see how willing they are to use those devices.

Because there’s no way anybody somewhere else would manufacture ammunition and ship it to the taxing jurisdiction? Because nobody would smuggle ammunition precisely the way they smuggle cigarettes between States? Because there would never be any diversion from “legitimate” shipments to other markets, as with pharmaceuticals?

Fantasyland. Do you actually think criminals buy ammunition at the local gun store? They don’t. Confiscated guns are routinely found partially loaded, loaded with a mix of mismatched ammunition, loaded with the wrong ammunition, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You could tax the shit out of guns, I suppose. Make them crazy expensive.

Our problem in DC is guns flowing in from Virginia.

Really we just need to repeal the 2nd amendment.

It is really hard to legislate gun control because there are too many people with moderate to conservative views who believe that gun rights outweigh gun control issues and they don't want "slippery slope" issues.

The above PP has the right idea...a tax. But the way to make it more pervasive is not to tax guns, but to tax ammunition. Put a heavy tax on ammunition, per bullet. If you add a tax of $5 per bullet, this gets closer to the desired effect. You are going to have less impact on low capacity hunting rifles and more of an impact on high capacity cartridges. We've been trying to legislate that higher capacity cartridges or weapons are the problem, but there has even been pushback on those. So tax it. Add $100 to the price of a cartridge of ammunition for a multi-round cartridge and see how willing they are to use those devices.

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First thing I do if I am a criminal with a gun … rob a Dick’s and steal a bunch of ammo. No taxes there. God you people are dumb. CRIMINALS use guns to rob, to threaten, and to kill others and criminals by definition don’t follow laws. So pass as many laws as you like. It won’t stop gun violence. At all. The only thing that might stop a criminal with a gun is a cop with a gun or a citizen with a gun or another criminal with a gun. But, sure preach about gun control from your safe, lily-white suburban enclave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You could tax the shit out of guns, I suppose. Make them crazy expensive.

Our problem in DC is guns flowing in from Virginia.

Really we just need to repeal the 2nd amendment.

It is really hard to legislate gun control because there are too many people with moderate to conservative views who believe that gun rights outweigh gun control issues and they don't want "slippery slope" issues.

The above PP has the right idea...a tax. But the way to make it more pervasive is not to tax guns, but to tax ammunition. Put a heavy tax on ammunition, per bullet. If you add a tax of $5 per bullet, this gets closer to the desired effect. You are going to have less impact on low capacity hunting rifles and more of an impact on high capacity cartridges. We've been trying to legislate that higher capacity cartridges or weapons are the problem, but there has even been pushback on those. So tax it. Add $100 to the price of a cartridge of ammunition for a multi-round cartridge and see how willing they are to use those devices.

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First thing I do if I am a criminal with a gun … rob a Dick’s and steal a bunch of ammo. No taxes there. God you people are dumb. CRIMINALS use guns to rob, to threaten, and to kill others and criminals by definition don’t follow laws. So pass as many laws as you like. It won’t stop gun violence. At all. The only thing that might stop a criminal with a gun is a cop with a gun or a citizen with a gun or another criminal with a gun. But, sure preach about gun control from your safe, lily-white suburban enclave.

Here is my question: how are American criminals so brilliant? Why don’t criminals in UK, Japan, Germany have so many guns? Why don’t they need vigilante citizens with guns? Who do you think you are, Batman? This may be news to you but Batman hates guns too.

We don’t want to live in a bubble, we want a similar quality of life as our peers in other countries. And that includes less gun violence.

[Anonymous]

3D printing is about to end the gun debate. We're only a couple years from being able to print any gun.

[Anonymous]

A tax on guns has worked before

https://www.npr.org/2016/06/30/484215890/prohibition-era-gang-violence-spurred-congress-to-pass-first-gun-law

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You could tax the shit out of guns, I suppose. Make them crazy expensive.

Our problem in DC is guns flowing in from Virginia.

Really we just need to repeal the 2nd amendment.

Why isn't VA having the same problem as DC if this is the case?

Perhaps it is the PEOPLE getting the guns, and not the guns themselves? Maybe we need to lock up those who actually commit crimes instead of continually letting them out on the streets?
Nearly every killer arrested in cases like this have a rap sheet a mile long. But, it's the guns?

True. But you need to realize these anti gun DC folks don't care about the illegal guns and those behind the triggers. They just want to make it impossible for law abiding citizens to own firearms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You could tax the shit out of guns, I suppose. Make them crazy expensive.

Our problem in DC is guns flowing in from Virginia.

Really we just need to repeal the 2nd amendment.

It is really hard to legislate gun control because there are too many people with moderate to conservative views who believe that gun rights outweigh gun control issues and they don't want "slippery slope" issues.

The above PP has the right idea...a tax. But the way to make it more pervasive is not to tax guns, but to tax ammunition. Put a heavy tax on ammunition, per bullet. If you add a tax of $5 per bullet, this gets closer to the desired effect. You are going to have less impact on low capacity hunting rifles and more of an impact on high capacity cartridges. We've been trying to legislate that higher capacity cartridges or weapons are the problem, but there has even been pushback on those. So tax it. Add $100 to the price of a cartridge of ammunition for a multi-round cartridge and see how willing they are to use those devices.

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First thing I do if I am a criminal with a gun … rob a Dick’s and steal a bunch of ammo. No taxes there. God you people are dumb. CRIMINALS use guns to rob, to threaten, and to kill others and criminals by definition don’t follow laws. So pass as many laws as you like. It won’t stop gun violence. At all. The only thing that might stop a criminal with a gun is a cop with a gun or a citizen with a gun or another criminal with a gun. But, sure preach about gun control from your safe, lily-white suburban enclave.

Here is my question: how are American criminals so brilliant? Why don’t criminals in UK, Japan, Germany have so many guns? Why don’t they need vigilante citizens with guns? Who do you think you are, Batman? This may be news to you but Batman hates guns too.

We don’t want to live in a bubble, we want a similar quality of life as our peers in other countries. And that includes less gun violence.

This might be news to you. Batman is a fictional character....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s so terrible. My heart breaks for the family of that boy, and the girl killed the night of the stadium incident. It’s inexcusable. We live in Shaw and will likely move. I like Moms Demand Action. I also like Sandy Hook promise and Giffords, but not currently giving to any of them. Maybe thats what ill do. Give a set amount monthly. We need voting rights for DC too. Support that cause.

We will get voting rights in DC once the State of Washington, Douglass Commonwealth comes into being. It has been too long, but statehood is right around the corner!

Not likely. And if it did the gun issues would be the same.

[Anonymous]

I kind of think the U.S. is doomed. The writing is on the wall, we’re a nation in decline. We couldn’t even mobilize after Sandy Hook.

The solution is to leave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You could tax the shit out of guns, I suppose. Make them crazy expensive.

Our problem in DC is guns flowing in from Virginia.

Really we just need to repeal the 2nd amendment.

It is really hard to legislate gun control because there are too many people with moderate to conservative views who believe that gun rights outweigh gun control issues and they don't want "slippery slope" issues.

The above PP has the right idea...a tax. But the way to make it more pervasive is not to tax guns, but to tax ammunition. Put a heavy tax on ammunition, per bullet. If you add a tax of $5 per bullet, this gets closer to the desired effect. You are going to have less impact on low capacity hunting rifles and more of an impact on high capacity cartridges. We've been trying to legislate that higher capacity cartridges or weapons are the problem, but there has even been pushback on those. So tax it. Add $100 to the price of a cartridge of ammunition for a multi-round cartridge and see how willing they are to use those devices.

.

First thing I do if I am a criminal with a gun … rob a Dick’s and steal a bunch of ammo. No taxes there. God you people are dumb. CRIMINALS use guns to rob, to threaten, and to kill others and criminals by definition don’t follow laws. So pass as many laws as you like. It won’t stop gun violence. At all. The only thing that might stop a criminal with a gun is a cop with a gun or a citizen with a gun or another criminal with a gun. But, sure preach about gun control from your safe, lily-white suburban enclave.

Here is my question: how are American criminals so brilliant? Why don’t criminals in UK, Japan, Germany have so many guns? Why don’t they need vigilante citizens with guns? Who do you think you are, Batman? This may be news to you but Batman hates guns too.

We don’t want to live in a bubble, we want a similar quality of life as our peers in other countries. And that includes less gun violence.

This might be news to you. Batman is a fictional character....

I see you have no real response!

Why is America so special, you guys? Why aren't criminals in other countries getting "illegal" guns and shooting up everybody and their mother?

[Anonymous]

Why is America so special, you guys? Why aren't criminals in other countries getting "illegal" guns and shooting up everybody and their mother?

Because America has the best everything! We even have the best, smartest most industrious criminals.