Tell me what we can do about the guns

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:CDC reported as part of a 2013 study that:

“Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million, in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.“

Link?

Here’s a thought: search a few words and see what pops up.

You make a claim- you provide the proof

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CDC reported as part of a 2013 study that:

“Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million, in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.“

Link?

Here’s a thought: search a few words and see what pops up.

You make a claim- you provide the proof

Stop being a petulant child.

https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/firearms/fastfact.html

Excerpted from CDC document:


Estimates of defensive gun use vary depending on the questions asked, populations studied, timeframe, and other factors related to the design of studies. The report Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violenceexternal icon indicates a range of 60,000 to 2.5 million defensive gun uses each year.



There. You now have attribution. Now stop arguing like a 5 year old.

[Anonymous]

I don't particularly care how many successful cases of "defensive gun use" there are because *I* (and in my opinion no normal person) will ever "defensively" use a gun. So why should I care? I don't want to live in the Wild West, I want to live in a civilized country. Just like gun nuts are willing to manifest the type of society they want to live in, so am I. Not one in which people are running around "defending" themselves with guns. More likely they are just terrorizing others.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Another night and another shooting in NW.
Will there be an end?

Send us the background on the shooter and victim please. Let’s start a catalog and focus on the shooters and not the tool.

There is no mention of any information you asked. Three were dead and some are in hospital.
According to NBC4, a honda car stopped on the road, gunman started shooting to a crowd.
That was it.
No video, no photo.
Targeted? Random?
Better stay home after dark in NW.

Sounds like the victim’s families should be able to bring a massive lawsuit against Honda to force them out of business. One of their cars was used in this crime, so they’re clearly responsible.

Cars= necessary tool for living

Guns= only necessary to kill people or animals

Why do we have to trudge through these same stupid arguments over and over again. They are so trite and third grade level.

Cars a necessary tool for living? No, they are not. Plenty live without one. Weapons were created long before the wheel and motorized vehicles and have been helping people to live (hunt) and stay alive (protect self, family, tribe) for thousands of years. Try again third grader.

No.

That is not an effective argument for guns. Female genital mutilation also existed before cars. Nor does anyone want to ban hunting rifles.

You are not some vigilante protecting your home. Your gun is statistically most likely to kill you or someone you love, not an enemy or intruder. You are not some brave warrior protecting your castle. Please, grow up!

There are thousands of defensive firearm uses in the United States each year, the vast majority not requiring the firing of a single shot, and most unreported for that reason. The trite truism you parrot about risky to gun owners ignores that. Firearms are the single effective means for a weak victim to defend against a powerful aggressor. Whether to own a fires got self defense is a private decision. Criminal misuse of firearms is the subject of numerous laws, and if criminals who misused firearms went away for a good long time, it would be a certainty that they would not be misusing any more firearms during that interval.

Yes, suicides are very high relative to homicides. I think more guns likely leads to more suicides, though a substantial fraction would be just people choosing suicide by gun versus another means.
At least the poster didn't bring up the similar claim that having a gun makes you more likely to get shot.

Having a gun DOES make you more likely to get shot, or more accurately, someone you are in contact with, whether it is a member of your family or someone else unfortunate enough to cross your path.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CDC reported as part of a 2013 study that:

“Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million, in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.“

Why is CDC studying guns?

[Anonymous]

We can do nothing about guns. The only thing we can do is everyone gets armed. If someone shoots you, you go and shoot their entire family and clan. Once the violence escalates to huge levels and daily life gets disrupted to impact economy. it will become banned. Mainly, start shooting those who are gun advocates or have politics of gun rights.

Mutually assured destruction. Make every place unsafe. The problem will get solved pronto.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CDC reported as part of a 2013 study that:

“Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million, in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.“

Link?

Here’s a thought: search a few words and see what pops up.

You make a claim- you provide the proof

Stop being a petulant child.

https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/firearms/fastfact.html

Excerpted from CDC document:


Estimates of defensive gun use vary depending on the questions asked, populations studied, timeframe, and other factors related to the design of studies. The report Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violenceexternal icon indicates a range of 60,000 to 2.5 million defensive gun uses each year.



There. You now have attribution. Now stop arguing like a 5 year old.

Well where’s the link to the first quote?
And according to the definition of defensive gun use by the CDC every gang shooting could be defined as defensive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't particularly care how many successful cases of "defensive gun use" there are because *I* (and in my opinion no normal person) will ever "defensively" use a gun. So why should I care? I don't want to live in the Wild West, I want to live in a civilized country. Just like gun nuts are willing to manifest the type of society they want to live in, so am I. Not one in which people are running around "defending" themselves with guns. More likely they are just terrorizing others.

Just like the people clamoring to get into the U.S. and making the move to get here every year, you too can find an existing country that is a better fit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't particularly care how many successful cases of "defensive gun use" there are because *I* (and in my opinion no normal person) will ever "defensively" use a gun. So why should I care? I don't want to live in the Wild West, I want to live in a civilized country. Just like gun nuts are willing to manifest the type of society they want to live in, so am I. Not one in which people are running around "defending" themselves with guns. More likely they are just terrorizing others.

Your sentence structure is nonsensical here. I just want to point out that I will never get an abortion. Should I not care about that as a right?

(First-time poster on this thread.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't particularly care how many successful cases of "defensive gun use" there are because *I* (and in my opinion no normal person) will ever "defensively" use a gun. So why should I care? I don't want to live in the Wild West, I want to live in a civilized country. Just like gun nuts are willing to manifest the type of society they want to live in, so am I. Not one in which people are running around "defending" themselves with guns. More likely they are just terrorizing others.

Your sentence structure is nonsensical here. I just want to point out that I will never get an abortion. Should I not care about that as a right?

(First-time poster on this thread.)

If you have an abortion that does not impact me, that’s your body.

If you insist that getting into a shootout at Walmart is “defensive gun use” and that’s how our country should function, that indeed affects me.

There is no “right” for every person to have any gun at any time. The second amendment is pretty clearly about militias and the deranged Supreme Court precedent that put us on this path should be overturned.

[Anonymous]

Burn the guns!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Burn the guns!

The ozone would prefer if we didn't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I don't particularly care how many successful cases of "defensive gun use" there are because *I* (and in my opinion no normal person) will ever "defensively" use a gun. So why should I care? I don't want to live in the Wild West, I want to live in a civilized country. Just like gun nuts are willing to manifest the type of society they want to live in, so am I. Not one in which people are running around "defending" themselves with guns. More likely they are just terrorizing others.

Your sentence structure is nonsensical here. I just want to point out that I will never get an abortion. Should I not care about that as a right?

(First-time poster on this thread.)

If you have an abortion that does not impact me, that’s your body.

If you insist that getting into a shootout at Walmart is “defensive gun use” and that’s how our country should function, that indeed affects me.

There is no “right” for every person to have any gun at any time. The second amendment is pretty clearly about militias and the deranged Supreme Court precedent that put us on this path should be overturned.

The right to self defense is a natural right that preexists any human law; the right to the efficacious means of self defense is a corollary to that right, and likewise depends on no human law. If you did any research beyond parroting the nonsense you’ve been fed, you’d know that the Framers considered private ownership, possession, carriage and use of firearms do ordinary as hardly to be worth mention. But they included it anyway because of the British attempting to disarm colonists much as you’d like to do to other people now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is no “right” for every person to have any gun at any time. The second amendment is pretty clearly about militias and the deranged Supreme Court precedent that put us on this path should be overturned.

No it isn't. Read the Miller decision that put this thinking in play. The person convicted was not part of a militia. However, the Supreme Court did not say that is the conclusion of the case. They analyzed the particular gun used and said it had no military purpose. The militia was used as a term separate from National Guard.

[Anonymous]

Honestly have all the guns you want. I don’t care if everyone is armed. What I do care about is whether you fire the gun. If you fire a gun in a populated area, you should be locked up perhaps forever. There is no excuse for risking human life and making everyone else less safe, and there is no room in our society for people who fire a weapon when others are around. Hunting is fine, and true self defense, but anything else we should lock people up and throw away the key.