Pediatricians advising against daycare?

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Anonymous wrote:This is key. Kids are often asymptomatic. Unless they are tested regularly you aren’t going to document an outbreak. Childcare is absolutely one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now and will continue to be a major risk until a vaccine exists.

Can you prove that childcare is one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now?

Can you prove that it’s not?
It’s the only unmasked close quarters gathering of large groups allowed in the entire country right now.

1. It's not large groups. My daughter goes to daycare and there are maybe 50 kids there spread across 16 classrooms.

2. It's not prudent to throw statements out there when your only evidence is "well do we know it's NOT happening"?

I'm not saying there are zero cases at daycares. But you clearly have no evidence that "childcare is absolutely one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now."

Your situation is no more fact than anyone’s assumptions. My child’s daycare will be opening June 1 with 10 people in each room. They have 10 classes normally and will have to spread out to about 15. That’s 150 kids and staff together in relatively close quarters. The fact that they are kids does not change their likelihood of contracting or spreading COVID-19. Now picture them as adults. It’s like a college dorm. Explain to me how this is even remotely safe right now?

I never said it's 100% safe. I was pushing back against the person who said childcare is absolutely a primary factor in the spread.

I simply haven't heard about widespread outbreaks at preschools. I'm not saying cases aren't there, but if they were anything more than sporadic, we would've heard about it.

Daycare is less safe than spending all day in an ER right now. That’s a long way from 100% safe.

The number of BS statements being thrown out on this forum lately is staggering.

Daycare being less safe than an ER?!

Everyone in an ER is wearing PPE, everyone is isolated as soon as they walk in the door, they have proper ventilation systems to minimize infection, and cleaning crews are circling constantly. Do they do any of that at daycare?

Umm .. an ER is full of REALLY SICK PEOPLE.

Do you honestly not see the difference between that and a daycare facility that might have asymptomatic kids, but is sanitizing, keeping numbers low, and doing temp checks?

You really are dense. Let me break it down for you. Not everyone in the ER has COVID. Some are doctors or nurses, some have other injuries or illnesses, but every single doctor, nurse, and patient is separated as much as possible and masked.

Temp checks are worthless. They are only going to catch people who happen to have just developed a high fever and have no idea. The 99s are still contagious and can stay. The 98s are still contagious and can stay. The kids who had tylenol because their parents want to go to work can stay. The teacher who took advil for a headache at 8 am and has had an undetected fever since 10am can stay.

Sanitizing? Have you ever had a toddler? You can bleach every toy and surface and 2 seconds later they’ve sneezed in your face and licked the entire length of the table edge.

It’s just an illusion. No one is masked and the precautions are not effective.
The hospital knows how to do it right and can follow that protocol. Daycare is told that it’s impossible to be safe, but it will hopefully be fine.
It only takes one kid to take out an entire center, and it could result in tragedy.

No vaccine, no daycare. Anything otherwise is irresponsible. Full stop.

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Anonymous wrote:This is key. Kids are often asymptomatic. Unless they are tested regularly you aren’t going to document an outbreak. Childcare is absolutely one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now and will continue to be a major risk until a vaccine exists.

Can you prove that childcare is one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now?

Can you prove that it’s not?
It’s the only unmasked close quarters gathering of large groups allowed in the entire country right now.

1. It's not large groups. My daughter goes to daycare and there are maybe 50 kids there spread across 16 classrooms.

2. It's not prudent to throw statements out there when your only evidence is "well do we know it's NOT happening"?

I'm not saying there are zero cases at daycares. But you clearly have no evidence that "childcare is absolutely one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now."

Your situation is no more fact than anyone’s assumptions. My child’s daycare will be opening June 1 with 10 people in each room. They have 10 classes normally and will have to spread out to about 15. That’s 150 kids and staff together in relatively close quarters. The fact that they are kids does not change their likelihood of contracting or spreading COVID-19. Now picture them as adults. It’s like a college dorm. Explain to me how this is even remotely safe right now?

I never said it's 100% safe. I was pushing back against the person who said childcare is absolutely a primary factor in the spread.

I simply haven't heard about widespread outbreaks at preschools. I'm not saying cases aren't there, but if they were anything more than sporadic, we would've heard about it.

Daycare is less safe than spending all day in an ER right now. That’s a long way from 100% safe.

The number of BS statements being thrown out on this forum lately is staggering.

Daycare being less safe than an ER?!

Everyone in an ER is wearing PPE, everyone is isolated as soon as they walk in the door, they have proper ventilation systems to minimize infection, and cleaning crews are circling constantly. Do they do any of that at daycare?

Umm .. an ER is full of REALLY SICK PEOPLE.

Do you honestly not see the difference between that and a daycare facility that might have asymptomatic kids, but is sanitizing, keeping numbers low, and doing temp checks?

You really are dense. Let me break it down for you. Not everyone in the ER has COVID. Some are doctors or nurses, some have other injuries or illnesses, but every single doctor, nurse, and patient is separated as much as possible and masked.

Temp checks are worthless. They are only going to catch people who happen to have just developed a high fever and have no idea. The 99s are still contagious and can stay. The 98s are still contagious and can stay. The kids who had tylenol because their parents want to go to work can stay. The teacher who took advil for a headache at 8 am and has had an undetected fever since 10am can stay.

Sanitizing? Have you ever had a toddler? You can bleach every toy and surface and 2 seconds later they’ve sneezed in your face and licked the entire length of the table edge.

It’s just an illusion. No one is masked and the precautions are not effective.
The hospital knows how to do it right and can follow that protocol. Daycare is told that it’s impossible to be safe, but it will hopefully be fine.
It only takes one kid to take out an entire center, and it could result in tragedy.

“Parents want to go to work”? No. I don’t WANT to go to work right now. I HAVE to go to work, and my kid has to be in daycare while I’m at work.

ummm...so don’t give your kid tylenol and send them to school sick. Did you read the post or just skim for that phrase?

I read it. The fact that you assume parents are doing that now is sickening to me.

I’m a teacher and parents do this all the time. I agree that it’s sickening, but it’s a fact. I can’t even explain how many kids that show up not feeling well magically get a fever exactly 4 hours after they arrive. I’ve even had parents who pick their kids up at noon for 2 or 3 days when they’r feeling “under the weather” so they can get some work done without the kid ever registering a fever at school. You see a lot in 20 years.

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Anonymous wrote:This is key. Kids are often asymptomatic. Unless they are tested regularly you aren’t going to document an outbreak. Childcare is absolutely one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now and will continue to be a major risk until a vaccine exists.

Can you prove that childcare is one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now?

Can you prove that it’s not?
It’s the only unmasked close quarters gathering of large groups allowed in the entire country right now.

1. It's not large groups. My daughter goes to daycare and there are maybe 50 kids there spread across 16 classrooms.

2. It's not prudent to throw statements out there when your only evidence is "well do we know it's NOT happening"?

I'm not saying there are zero cases at daycares. But you clearly have no evidence that "childcare is absolutely one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now."

Your situation is no more fact than anyone’s assumptions. My child’s daycare will be opening June 1 with 10 people in each room. They have 10 classes normally and will have to spread out to about 15. That’s 150 kids and staff together in relatively close quarters. The fact that they are kids does not change their likelihood of contracting or spreading COVID-19. Now picture them as adults. It’s like a college dorm. Explain to me how this is even remotely safe right now?

I never said it's 100% safe. I was pushing back against the person who said childcare is absolutely a primary factor in the spread.

I simply haven't heard about widespread outbreaks at preschools. I'm not saying cases aren't there, but if they were anything more than sporadic, we would've heard about it.

Daycare is less safe than spending all day in an ER right now. That’s a long way from 100% safe.

The number of BS statements being thrown out on this forum lately is staggering.

Daycare being less safe than an ER?!

Everyone in an ER is wearing PPE, everyone is isolated as soon as they walk in the door, they have proper ventilation systems to minimize infection, and cleaning crews are circling constantly. Do they do any of that at daycare?

Umm .. an ER is full of REALLY SICK PEOPLE.

Do you honestly not see the difference between that and a daycare facility that might have asymptomatic kids, but is sanitizing, keeping numbers low, and doing temp checks?

You really are dense. Let me break it down for you. Not everyone in the ER has COVID. Some are doctors or nurses, some have other injuries or illnesses, but every single doctor, nurse, and patient is separated as much as possible and masked.

Temp checks are worthless. They are only going to catch people who happen to have just developed a high fever and have no idea. The 99s are still contagious and can stay. The 98s are still contagious and can stay. The kids who had tylenol because their parents want to go to work can stay. The teacher who took advil for a headache at 8 am and has had an undetected fever since 10am can stay.

Sanitizing? Have you ever had a toddler? You can bleach every toy and surface and 2 seconds later they’ve sneezed in your face and licked the entire length of the table edge.

It’s just an illusion. No one is masked and the precautions are not effective.
The hospital knows how to do it right and can follow that protocol. Daycare is told that it’s impossible to be safe, but it will hopefully be fine.
It only takes one kid to take out an entire center, and it could result in tragedy.

“Parents want to go to work”? No. I don’t WANT to go to work right now. I HAVE to go to work, and my kid has to be in daycare while I’m at work.

ummm...so don’t give your kid tylenol and send them to school sick. Did you read the post or just skim for that phrase?

I read it. The fact that you assume parents are doing that now is sickening to me.

I’m a teacher and parents do this all the time. I agree that it’s sickening, but it’s a fact. I can’t even explain how many kids that show up not feeling well magically get a fever exactly 4 hours after they arrive. I’ve even had parents who pick their kids up at noon for 2 or 3 days when they’r feeling “under the weather” so they can get some work done without the kid ever registering a fever at school. You see a lot in 20 years.

I’m talking about during the pandemic. Yes, it’s awful any time, but I can’t imagine parents are doing it now.

And to the people who say “no daycare until a vaccine” or “no daycare now”: how in the HELL do you expect me, as an essential worker with no backup childcare, to be able to go to work?

You people are some combination of ignorant and astoundingly selfish.

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Anonymous wrote:Unbelievable we seeing outbreaks and these selfish parents still want to send their kids

Which of these apply to you?


A spouse who makes 300k a year
A bullshit job that doesn’t require you to produce
Monthly contributions from grandparents to support your lifestyle
A woman without a career or man whose wife does not have a career
All of the above

Np here, but I’m a teacher and none of these apply to me and I agree with the pp. Why should something so unsafe continue right now? Childcare is the same level of exposure as healthcare and we deserve the same protection. If we can’t wear masks, I’m not even going.

Umm ... some of us are essential workers who have to go to work.

What do you propose we do?

Figure it out. That’s what the whole planet is doing right now. Every single person is doing things differently than would be ideal. What would you do if your kid was 6? No school. No camp. You’d figure it out. Family, nanny, split schedules, leave of absence, everyone is making accommodations. Very few have childcare right now. Stop being so special.

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Anonymous wrote:Unbelievable we seeing outbreaks and these selfish parents still want to send their kids

Which of these apply to you?


A spouse who makes 300k a year
A bullshit job that doesn’t require you to produce
Monthly contributions from grandparents to support your lifestyle
A woman without a career or man whose wife does not have a career
All of the above

Np here, but I’m a teacher and none of these apply to me and I agree with the pp. Why should something so unsafe continue right now? Childcare is the same level of exposure as healthcare and we deserve the same protection. If we can’t wear masks, I’m not even going.

Umm ... some of us are essential workers who have to go to work.

What do you propose we do?

Figure it out. That’s what the whole planet is doing right now. Every single person is doing things differently than would be ideal. What would you do if your kid was 6? No school. No camp. You’d figure it out. Family, nanny, split schedules, leave of absence, everyone is making accommodations. Very few have childcare right now. Stop being so special.

I have no local family.

You want me to hire a babysitter during a pandemic?

I can’t take a level of absence with GETTING FIRED.

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It’s worse than healthcare. Teachers and kids not masked. This is as close as it gets.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s worse than healthcare. Teachers and kids not masked. This is as close as it gets.

Well, guess what? Some of us don’t have a choice.

Nice that you can sit and decide it’s so awful.

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Anonymous wrote:This is key. Kids are often asymptomatic. Unless they are tested regularly you aren’t going to document an outbreak. Childcare is absolutely one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now and will continue to be a major risk until a vaccine exists.

Can you prove that childcare is one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now?

Can you prove that it’s not?
It’s the only unmasked close quarters gathering of large groups allowed in the entire country right now.

1. It's not large groups. My daughter goes to daycare and there are maybe 50 kids there spread across 16 classrooms.

2. It's not prudent to throw statements out there when your only evidence is "well do we know it's NOT happening"?

I'm not saying there are zero cases at daycares. But you clearly have no evidence that "childcare is absolutely one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now."

Your situation is no more fact than anyone’s assumptions. My child’s daycare will be opening June 1 with 10 people in each room. They have 10 classes normally and will have to spread out to about 15. That’s 150 kids and staff together in relatively close quarters. The fact that they are kids does not change their likelihood of contracting or spreading COVID-19. Now picture them as adults. It’s like a college dorm. Explain to me how this is even remotely safe right now?

I never said it's 100% safe. I was pushing back against the person who said childcare is absolutely a primary factor in the spread.

I simply haven't heard about widespread outbreaks at preschools. I'm not saying cases aren't there, but if they were anything more than sporadic, we would've heard about it.

Daycare is less safe than spending all day in an ER right now. That’s a long way from 100% safe.

The number of BS statements being thrown out on this forum lately is staggering.

Daycare being less safe than an ER?!

Everyone in an ER is wearing PPE, everyone is isolated as soon as they walk in the door, they have proper ventilation systems to minimize infection, and cleaning crews are circling constantly. Do they do any of that at daycare?

Umm .. an ER is full of REALLY SICK PEOPLE.

Do you honestly not see the difference between that and a daycare facility that might have asymptomatic kids, but is sanitizing, keeping numbers low, and doing temp checks?

You really are dense. Let me break it down for you. Not everyone in the ER has COVID. Some are doctors or nurses, some have other injuries or illnesses, but every single doctor, nurse, and patient is separated as much as possible and masked.

Temp checks are worthless. They are only going to catch people who happen to have just developed a high fever and have no idea. The 99s are still contagious and can stay. The 98s are still contagious and can stay. The kids who had tylenol because their parents want to go to work can stay. The teacher who took advil for a headache at 8 am and has had an undetected fever since 10am can stay.

Sanitizing? Have you ever had a toddler? You can bleach every toy and surface and 2 seconds later they’ve sneezed in your face and licked the entire length of the table edge.

It’s just an illusion. No one is masked and the precautions are not effective.
The hospital knows how to do it right and can follow that protocol. Daycare is told that it’s impossible to be safe, but it will hopefully be fine.
It only takes one kid to take out an entire center, and it could result in tragedy.

No vaccine, no daycare. Anything otherwise is irresponsible. Full stop.

You do realize a vaccine may never be developed and that even if it is not likely to be 100 percent effective?

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Anonymous wrote:This is key. Kids are often asymptomatic. Unless they are tested regularly you aren’t going to document an outbreak. Childcare is absolutely one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now and will continue to be a major risk until a vaccine exists.

Can you prove that childcare is one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now?

Can you prove that it’s not?
It’s the only unmasked close quarters gathering of large groups allowed in the entire country right now.

1. It's not large groups. My daughter goes to daycare and there are maybe 50 kids there spread across 16 classrooms.

2. It's not prudent to throw statements out there when your only evidence is "well do we know it's NOT happening"?

I'm not saying there are zero cases at daycares. But you clearly have no evidence that "childcare is absolutely one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now."

Your situation is no more fact than anyone’s assumptions. My child’s daycare will be opening June 1 with 10 people in each room. They have 10 classes normally and will have to spread out to about 15. That’s 150 kids and staff together in relatively close quarters. The fact that they are kids does not change their likelihood of contracting or spreading COVID-19. Now picture them as adults. It’s like a college dorm. Explain to me how this is even remotely safe right now?

I never said it's 100% safe. I was pushing back against the person who said childcare is absolutely a primary factor in the spread.

I simply haven't heard about widespread outbreaks at preschools. I'm not saying cases aren't there, but if they were anything more than sporadic, we would've heard about it.

Daycare is less safe than spending all day in an ER right now. That’s a long way from 100% safe.

The number of BS statements being thrown out on this forum lately is staggering.

Daycare being less safe than an ER?!

Everyone in an ER is wearing PPE, everyone is isolated as soon as they walk in the door, they have proper ventilation systems to minimize infection, and cleaning crews are circling constantly. Do they do any of that at daycare?

Umm .. an ER is full of REALLY SICK PEOPLE.

Do you honestly not see the difference between that and a daycare facility that might have asymptomatic kids, but is sanitizing, keeping numbers low, and doing temp checks?

You really are dense. Let me break it down for you. Not everyone in the ER has COVID. Some are doctors or nurses, some have other injuries or illnesses, but every single doctor, nurse, and patient is separated as much as possible and masked.

Temp checks are worthless. They are only going to catch people who happen to have just developed a high fever and have no idea. The 99s are still contagious and can stay. The 98s are still contagious and can stay. The kids who had tylenol because their parents want to go to work can stay. The teacher who took advil for a headache at 8 am and has had an undetected fever since 10am can stay.

Sanitizing? Have you ever had a toddler? You can bleach every toy and surface and 2 seconds later they’ve sneezed in your face and licked the entire length of the table edge.

It’s just an illusion. No one is masked and the precautions are not effective.
The hospital knows how to do it right and can follow that protocol. Daycare is told that it’s impossible to be safe, but it will hopefully be fine.
It only takes one kid to take out an entire center, and it could result in tragedy.

No vaccine, no daycare. Anything otherwise is irresponsible. Full stop.

You do realize a vaccine may never be developed and that even if it is not likely to be 100 percent effective?

Saying no day care until a vaccine is the position only a privileged person in the 1 percent can take

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To the essential workers saying you have to work so you have to use child care, this thread is about centers -- you could get a nanny or a babysitter share. That is what the NYT doctor in the parenting section recommended. It's a tough choice.

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Anonymous wrote:To the essential workers saying you have to work so you have to use child care, this thread is about centers -- you could get a nanny or a babysitter share. That is what the NYT doctor in the parenting section recommended. It's a tough choice.

Because it’s so easy to find a nanny or babysitter share during a pandemic.

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Anonymous wrote:To the essential workers saying you have to work so you have to use child care, this thread is about centers -- you could get a nanny or a babysitter share. That is what the NYT doctor in the parenting section recommended. It's a tough choice.

Because it’s so easy to find a nanny or babysitter share during a pandemic.

It won't be that easy to find a center space either now that the number of kids per room is so low. Plus, many of the center teachers will be out of a job or looking to avoid such high risk.

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I really wish posters would stop judging other parents for hypothetically deciding to send their kids to daycare. I say hypothetically because right now day cares closed except for essential workers. Most of these posters are don’t understand the circumstances and constraints of other families. For many it is not a choice.

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Anonymous wrote:To the essential workers saying you have to work so you have to use child care, this thread is about centers -- you could get a nanny or a babysitter share. That is what the NYT doctor in the parenting section recommended. It's a tough choice.

You realize that there are essential workers who can't afford nannies, right?

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Anonymous wrote:I really wish posters would stop judging other parents for hypothetically deciding to send their kids to daycare. I say hypothetically because right now day cares closed except for essential workers. Most of these posters are don’t understand the circumstances and constraints of other families. For many it is not a choice.

Thank you.

Also, how is a nanny safer for a family? Unless she lives with you, you don’t know what she’s doing when she’s not at your house.