Pediatricians advising against daycare?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is key. Kids are often asymptomatic. Unless they are tested regularly you aren’t going to document an outbreak. Childcare is absolutely one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now and will continue to be a major risk until a vaccine exists.

Can you prove that childcare is one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now?

Can you prove that it’s not?
It’s the only unmasked close quarters gathering of large groups allowed in the entire country right now.

1. It's not large groups. My daughter goes to daycare and there are maybe 50 kids there spread across 16 classrooms.

2. It's not prudent to throw statements out there when your only evidence is "well do we know it's NOT happening"?

I'm not saying there are zero cases at daycares. But you clearly have no evidence that "childcare is absolutely one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now."

Your situation is no more fact than anyone’s assumptions. My child’s daycare will be opening June 1 with 10 people in each room. They have 10 classes normally and will have to spread out to about 15. That’s 150 kids and staff together in relatively close quarters. The fact that they are kids does not change their likelihood of contracting or spreading COVID-19. Now picture them as adults. It’s like a college dorm. Explain to me how this is even remotely safe right now?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is key. Kids are often asymptomatic. Unless they are tested regularly you aren’t going to document an outbreak. Childcare is absolutely one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now and will continue to be a major risk until a vaccine exists.

Can you prove that childcare is one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now?

Can you prove that it’s not?
It’s the only unmasked close quarters gathering of large groups allowed in the entire country right now.

1. It's not large groups. My daughter goes to daycare and there are maybe 50 kids there spread across 16 classrooms.

2. It's not prudent to throw statements out there when your only evidence is "well do we know it's NOT happening"?

I'm not saying there are zero cases at daycares. But you clearly have no evidence that "childcare is absolutely one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now."

Your situation is no more fact than anyone’s assumptions. My child’s daycare will be opening June 1 with 10 people in each room. They have 10 classes normally and will have to spread out to about 15. That’s 150 kids and staff together in relatively close quarters. The fact that they are kids does not change their likelihood of contracting or spreading COVID-19. Now picture them as adults. It’s like a college dorm. Explain to me how this is even remotely safe right now?

I never said it's 100% safe. I was pushing back against the person who said childcare is absolutely a primary factor in the spread.

I simply haven't heard about widespread outbreaks at preschools. I'm not saying cases aren't there, but if they were anything more than sporadic, we would've heard about it.

[Anonymous]

Preschools should be phase 3. Biiiig mistake here by govt officials

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is key. Kids are often asymptomatic. Unless they are tested regularly you aren’t going to document an outbreak. Childcare is absolutely one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now and will continue to be a major risk until a vaccine exists.

Can you prove that childcare is one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now?

Can you prove that it’s not?
It’s the only unmasked close quarters gathering of large groups allowed in the entire country right now.

1. It's not large groups. My daughter goes to daycare and there are maybe 50 kids there spread across 16 classrooms.

2. It's not prudent to throw statements out there when your only evidence is "well do we know it's NOT happening"?

I'm not saying there are zero cases at daycares. But you clearly have no evidence that "childcare is absolutely one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now."

Your situation is no more fact than anyone’s assumptions. My child’s daycare will be opening June 1 with 10 people in each room. They have 10 classes normally and will have to spread out to about 15. That’s 150 kids and staff together in relatively close quarters. The fact that they are kids does not change their likelihood of contracting or spreading COVID-19. Now picture them as adults. It’s like a college dorm. Explain to me how this is even remotely safe right now?

I never said it's 100% safe. I was pushing back against the person who said childcare is absolutely a primary factor in the spread.

I simply haven't heard about widespread outbreaks at preschools. I'm not saying cases aren't there, but if they were anything more than sporadic, we would've heard about it.

Daycare is less safe than spending all day in an ER right now. That’s a long way from 100% safe.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter has been going to daycare this entire time, since we are essential workers.

There have been no cases among teachers or kids at her center.

I haven't heard of any cases in MD linked to daycares.

Are all the parents essential workers? My initial guess would be that essential workers are probably more aware of the risks and more careful about hygiene, etc. I would expect childcare facilities to become hotspots as the gen population gets back to work and there are more kids from parents who believe the virus is a hoax/not a risk or not social distancing.

Yes, of course the parents are essential workers; otherwise the center would not be able to operate.

The precautions I'm talking about are not dependent on parents. They are things that could be instituted with the general population as well. Things like required temp checks for kids & staff before they can enter the building, parents dropping off/picking up at the entrance and not be allowed inside, professional sanitization of the building, etc. Parents can kick and scream about it, but can't stop the school from continuing these practices.

Many of these precautions are only as good as the lack of an asymptomatic carrier getting in the center. You get one of those in the daycare center and you will have an outbreak. I just don't see how it's avoidable.

I think PP's point was the parents of essential workers are likely to be more cautious and thus prevent their kids from becoming asymptomatic carriers in the first place.

Maybe, but the flip side is that many essential workers are more likely to be exposed in the first place. Unless those workers are getting tested on a regular basis themselves, how do they really know? Even if daycares were to reopen in the near future, a lot of parents bringing kids back would still be teleworking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Preschools should be phase 3. Biiiig mistake here by govt officials

How can you open more businesses and order people back to the office if parents have no child care? It makes no sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter has been going to daycare this entire time, since we are essential workers.

There have been no cases among teachers or kids at her center.

I haven't heard of any cases in MD linked to daycares.

Are all the parents essential workers? My initial guess would be that essential workers are probably more aware of the risks and more careful about hygiene, etc. I would expect childcare facilities to become hotspots as the gen population gets back to work and there are more kids from parents who believe the virus is a hoax/not a risk or not social distancing.

Yes, of course the parents are essential workers; otherwise the center would not be able to operate.

The precautions I'm talking about are not dependent on parents. They are things that could be instituted with the general population as well. Things like required temp checks for kids & staff before they can enter the building, parents dropping off/picking up at the entrance and not be allowed inside, professional sanitization of the building, etc. Parents can kick and scream about it, but can't stop the school from continuing these practices.

Many of these precautions are only as good as the lack of an asymptomatic carrier getting in the center. You get one of those in the daycare center and you will have an outbreak. I just don't see how it's avoidable.

I think PP's point was the parents of essential workers are likely to be more cautious and thus prevent their kids from becoming asymptomatic carriers in the first place.

Maybe, but the flip side is that many essential workers are more likely to be exposed in the first place. Unless those workers are getting tested on a regular basis themselves, how do they really know? Even if daycares were to reopen in the near future, a lot of parents bringing kids back would still be teleworking.

Your post is 100% blind to the safety of daycare workers

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Preschools should be phase 3. Biiiig mistake here by govt officials

How can you open more businesses and order people back to the office if parents have no child care? It makes no sense.

All reopening plans call for workers who are currently teleworking to remain teleworking. My husband works for a federal agency. They have been in discussions to keep as many working remotely as possible and for many it will likely become permanent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Preschools should be phase 3. Biiiig mistake here by govt officials

How can you open more businesses and order people back to the office if parents have no child care? It makes no sense.

All reopening plans call for workers who are currently teleworking to remain teleworking. My husband works for a federal agency. They have been in discussions to keep as many working remotely as possible and for many it will likely become permanent.

And what about those of us who can't telework?

I guess you don't give a sht about us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is key. Kids are often asymptomatic. Unless they are tested regularly you aren’t going to document an outbreak. Childcare is absolutely one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now and will continue to be a major risk until a vaccine exists.

Can you prove that childcare is one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now?

Can you prove that it’s not?
It’s the only unmasked close quarters gathering of large groups allowed in the entire country right now.

1. It's not large groups. My daughter goes to daycare and there are maybe 50 kids there spread across 16 classrooms.

2. It's not prudent to throw statements out there when your only evidence is "well do we know it's NOT happening"?

I'm not saying there are zero cases at daycares. But you clearly have no evidence that "childcare is absolutely one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now."

Your situation is no more fact than anyone’s assumptions. My child’s daycare will be opening June 1 with 10 people in each room. They have 10 classes normally and will have to spread out to about 15. That’s 150 kids and staff together in relatively close quarters. The fact that they are kids does not change their likelihood of contracting or spreading COVID-19. Now picture them as adults. It’s like a college dorm. Explain to me how this is even remotely safe right now?

I never said it's 100% safe. I was pushing back against the person who said childcare is absolutely a primary factor in the spread.

I simply haven't heard about widespread outbreaks at preschools. I'm not saying cases aren't there, but if they were anything more than sporadic, we would've heard about it.

Daycare is less safe than spending all day in an ER right now. That’s a long way from 100% safe.

The number of BS statements being thrown out on this forum lately is staggering.

Daycare being less safe than an ER?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is key. Kids are often asymptomatic. Unless they are tested regularly you aren’t going to document an outbreak. Childcare is absolutely one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now and will continue to be a major risk until a vaccine exists.

Can you prove that childcare is one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now?

Can you prove that it’s not?
It’s the only unmasked close quarters gathering of large groups allowed in the entire country right now.

1. It's not large groups. My daughter goes to daycare and there are maybe 50 kids there spread across 16 classrooms.

2. It's not prudent to throw statements out there when your only evidence is "well do we know it's NOT happening"?

I'm not saying there are zero cases at daycares. But you clearly have no evidence that "childcare is absolutely one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now."

Your situation is no more fact than anyone’s assumptions. My child’s daycare will be opening June 1 with 10 people in each room. They have 10 classes normally and will have to spread out to about 15. That’s 150 kids and staff together in relatively close quarters. The fact that they are kids does not change their likelihood of contracting or spreading COVID-19. Now picture them as adults. It’s like a college dorm. Explain to me how this is even remotely safe right now?

I never said it's 100% safe. I was pushing back against the person who said childcare is absolutely a primary factor in the spread.

I simply haven't heard about widespread outbreaks at preschools. I'm not saying cases aren't there, but if they were anything more than sporadic, we would've heard about it.

Daycare is less safe than spending all day in an ER right now. That’s a long way from 100% safe.

The number of BS statements being thrown out on this forum lately is staggering.

Daycare being less safe than an ER?!

Everyone in an ER is wearing PPE, everyone is isolated as soon as they walk in the door, they have proper ventilation systems to minimize infection, and cleaning crews are circling constantly. Do they do any of that at daycare?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When my pediatrician pays my daycare bill then they can have a opinion on what I do. Till then I’m using my own judgement.

Um.... you pay your pediatrician for his or her opinion on all things related to the health of your family. This is one of those things.

Idiot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is key. Kids are often asymptomatic. Unless they are tested regularly you aren’t going to document an outbreak. Childcare is absolutely one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now and will continue to be a major risk until a vaccine exists.

Can you prove that childcare is one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now?

Can you prove that it’s not?
It’s the only unmasked close quarters gathering of large groups allowed in the entire country right now.

1. It's not large groups. My daughter goes to daycare and there are maybe 50 kids there spread across 16 classrooms.

2. It's not prudent to throw statements out there when your only evidence is "well do we know it's NOT happening"?

I'm not saying there are zero cases at daycares. But you clearly have no evidence that "childcare is absolutely one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now."

Your situation is no more fact than anyone’s assumptions. My child’s daycare will be opening June 1 with 10 people in each room. They have 10 classes normally and will have to spread out to about 15. That’s 150 kids and staff together in relatively close quarters. The fact that they are kids does not change their likelihood of contracting or spreading COVID-19. Now picture them as adults. It’s like a college dorm. Explain to me how this is even remotely safe right now?

I never said it's 100% safe. I was pushing back against the person who said childcare is absolutely a primary factor in the spread.

I simply haven't heard about widespread outbreaks at preschools. I'm not saying cases aren't there, but if they were anything more than sporadic, we would've heard about it.

Daycare is less safe than spending all day in an ER right now. That’s a long way from 100% safe.

The number of BS statements being thrown out on this forum lately is staggering.

Daycare being less safe than an ER?!

Everyone in an ER is wearing PPE, everyone is isolated as soon as they walk in the door, they have proper ventilation systems to minimize infection, and cleaning crews are circling constantly. Do they do any of that at daycare?

Umm .. an ER is full of REALLY SICK PEOPLE.

Do you honestly not see the difference between that and a daycare facility that might have asymptomatic kids, but is sanitizing, keeping numbers low, and doing temp checks?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My daughter has been going to daycare this entire time, since we are essential workers.

There have been no cases among teachers or kids at her center.

I haven't heard of any cases in MD linked to daycares.

Are all the parents essential workers? My initial guess would be that essential workers are probably more aware of the risks and more careful about hygiene, etc. I would expect childcare facilities to become hotspots as the gen population gets back to work and there are more kids from parents who believe the virus is a hoax/not a risk or not social distancing.

Yes, of course the parents are essential workers; otherwise the center would not be able to operate.

The precautions I'm talking about are not dependent on parents. They are things that could be instituted with the general population as well. Things like required temp checks for kids & staff before they can enter the building, parents dropping off/picking up at the entrance and not be allowed inside, professional sanitization of the building, etc. Parents can kick and scream about it, but can't stop the school from continuing these practices.

Many of these precautions are only as good as the lack of an asymptomatic carrier getting in the center. You get one of those in the daycare center and you will have an outbreak. I just don't see how it's avoidable.

I think PP's point was the parents of essential workers are likely to be more cautious and thus prevent their kids from becoming asymptomatic carriers in the first place.

Maybe, but the flip side is that many essential workers are more likely to be exposed in the first place. Unless those workers are getting tested on a regular basis themselves, how do they really know? Even if daycares were to reopen in the near future, a lot of parents bringing kids back would still be teleworking.

Your post is 100% blind to the safety of daycare workers

I was simply responding to the assertion that essential workers are more likely to prevent their kids from becoming a symptomatic carriers. It’s a very big assumption not grounded in reality.

[Anonymous]

I don't see the daycare risk ever going away because MANY parents don't immunize their kids against the flu (and others are in that anti-vax camp). So unless the local government mandates every kids get a brand new, unproven covid vaccine (while covid mutates) the risk will remain.

Sad reality but we've gotta live with this crazy bad bat virus unless we want to hide away at home (and great for some to have that option).