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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This is key. Kids are often asymptomatic. Unless they are tested regularly you aren’t going to document an outbreak. Childcare is absolutely one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now and will continue to be a major risk until a vaccine exists. [/quote]

Can you prove that childcare is one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now? [/quote]

Can you prove that it’s not?
It’s the only unmasked close quarters gathering of large groups allowed in the entire country right now. [/quote]

1. It's not large groups. My daughter goes to daycare and there are maybe 50 kids there spread across 16 classrooms.

2. It's not prudent to throw statements out there when your only evidence is "well do we know it's NOT happening"?

I'm not saying there are zero cases at daycares. But you clearly have no evidence that "childcare is absolutely one of the primary factors contributing to spread right now." [/quote]

Your situation is no more fact than anyone’s assumptions. My child’s daycare will be opening June 1 with 10 people in each room. They have 10 classes normally and will have to spread out to about 15. That’s 150 kids and staff together in relatively close quarters. The fact that they are kids does not change their likelihood of contracting or spreading COVID-19. Now picture them as adults. It’s like a college dorm. Explain to me how this is even remotely safe right now? [/quote]

I never said it's 100% safe. I was pushing back against the person who said childcare is absolutely a primary factor in the spread.

I simply haven't heard about widespread outbreaks at preschools. I'm not saying cases aren't there, but if they were anything more than sporadic, we would've heard about it. [/quote]

Daycare is less safe than spending all day in an ER right now. That’s a long way from 100% safe. [/quote]

The number of BS statements being thrown out on this forum lately is staggering.

Daycare being less safe than an ER?! [/quote]

Everyone in an ER is wearing PPE, everyone is isolated as soon as they walk in the door, they have proper ventilation systems to minimize infection, and cleaning crews are circling constantly. Do they do any of that at daycare? [/quote]

Umm .. an ER is full of REALLY SICK PEOPLE.

Do you honestly not see the difference between that and a daycare facility that might have asymptomatic kids, but is sanitizing, keeping numbers low, and doing temp checks? [/quote]

You really are dense. Let me break it down for you. Not everyone in the ER has COVID. Some are doctors or nurses, some have other injuries or illnesses, but every single doctor, nurse, and patient is separated as much as possible and masked.

Temp checks are worthless. They are only going to catch people who happen to have just developed a high fever and have no idea. The 99s are still contagious and can stay. The 98s are still contagious and can stay. The kids who had tylenol because their parents want to go to work can stay. The teacher who took advil for a headache at 8 am and has had an undetected fever since 10am can stay.

Sanitizing? Have you ever had a toddler? You can bleach every toy and surface and 2 seconds later they’ve sneezed in your face and licked the entire length of the table edge.

It’s just an illusion. No one is masked and the precautions are not effective. 
The hospital knows how to do it right and can follow that protocol. Daycare is told that it’s impossible to be safe, but it will hopefully be fine. 
It only takes one kid to take out an entire center, and it could result in tragedy. [/quote]

No vaccine, no daycare. Anything otherwise is irresponsible. Full stop.[/quote]

You do realize a vaccine may never be developed and that even if it is not likely to be 100 percent effective?[/quote]

Saying no day care until a vaccine is the position only a privileged person in the 1 percent can take[/quote]

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