Missing Muslim teen found dead in Fairfax County - suspect arrested

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They say there was some sort of dispute between the driver of the car and the group of kids walking. The driver got out swinging a baseball bat and maybe knocked her down or she fell trying to get away.

It seems like a random attack, yet, the assailant abducted her. That seems unusual and particularly scary. I'm glad that they have the one suspect in custody and I hope that if there are any more suspects that they are apprehended ASAP.

Still, I don't see any way this was not a hate crime under the circumstances.

Who has said it was not?
It will be classified as hate crime or not when they bring charges.
And it can always be added to the charges or dropped.
Then the jury will decide if it was a hate crime.

You don't find it at all suspicios that she was attacked while leaving a Mosque? ?

And she is Muslim? Her only mistake seems to be "walking while Muslim;" and if Islamaphobia wasn't the killer's motivation, then what was the motive? Killers don't just kill for no reason.

[Anonymous]

This thread belongs to the Political forum. a group of young Muslims attacked after leaving a mosque, a young Muslim girl murdered with a baseball bat and then thrown into a lake by a stranger. it's likely this is a hate crime, this is not off-topic.

in the political forum there is a thread on the latest terror attack in London (UK authorities did not waste time in calling what it was) - a guy mowing down Muslims leaving a mosque, with people almost justifying the attacker, one of the poster even saying that people this is just survival, that people defend themselves when feel that the government does not , as if going out and murder innocent strangers would somehow do something against ISIS and the like. attacks in the US against Muslims and people who are mistaken for Muslims have been going around for a while, it's time to highlight them

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At least the Post had the decency to turn the comments off for their article.

The Post does nothing out of decency.

+1000

[Anonymous]

The man arrested for her murder was a Hispanic male, Darwin Martinez Torres.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They say there was some sort of dispute between the driver of the car and the group of kids walking. The driver got out swinging a baseball bat and maybe knocked her down or she fell trying to get away.

It seems like a random attack, yet, the assailant abducted her. That seems unusual and particularly scary. I'm glad that they have the one suspect in custody and I hope that if there are any more suspects that they are apprehended ASAP.

Still, I don't see any way this was not a hate crime under the circumstances.

Who has said it was not?
It will be classified as hate crime or not when they bring charges.
And it can always be added to the charges or dropped.
Then the jury will decide if it was a hate crime.

You don't find it at all suspicios that she was attacked while leaving a Mosque? ?

And she is Muslim? Her only mistake seems to be "walking while Muslim;" and if Islamaphobia wasn't the killer's motivation, then what was the motive? Killers don't just kill for no reason.

It's possible that it was a hate crime and possible that it was not. It's a tragic crime, yes, but also unusual, and doesn't fit into any boxes.

I wouldn't be surprised if it is a hate crime, but it really doesn't look like it at first glance, imo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This thread belongs to the Political forum. a group of young Muslims attacked after leaving a mosque, a young Muslim girl murdered with a baseball bat and then thrown into a lake by a stranger. it's likely this is a hate crime, this is not off-topic.

in the political forum there is a thread on the latest terror attack in London (UK authorities did not waste time in calling what it was) - a guy mowing down Muslims leaving a mosque, with people almost justifying the attacker, one of the poster even saying that people this is just survival, that people defend themselves when feel that the government does not , as if going out and murder innocent strangers would somehow do something against ISIS and the like. attacks in the US against Muslims and people who are mistaken for Muslims have been going around for a while, it's time to highlight them

This is a local crime, people are interested in it. Not everything belongs in the Political forum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At least the Post had the decency to turn the comments off for their article.

The Post does nothing out of decency.

That's true. It was probably just filling up their server or something and costing them money.

Whatever their motivation, the Post is sensitive about stories and comments. I'm not surprised that there are no comments for this story.

The Post allows disgusting and hateful comments night and day for most articles - they should either turn them off for all articles or moderate. Sure it's time consuming but it's one reason our society is going down the tubes.

The Post turns off comments for crimes involving children. Otherwise, they generally leave them on. I wouldn't mind more moderation, but it's hard to know where to set the line.

[Anonymous]

Muslim here, and I agree it doesn't seem like a hate crime.

It is truly a terrible tragedy.

I don't think we need to muddy our grief by debating if it was a hate crime since there is no real evidence of that.

[Anonymous]

It's possible that this guy just got pissed off at this random group of kids and attacked them. Seems crazy that he would take on a group of 15 kids with a baseball bat - but he did just that. I can see why people want a rational reason for this, but it's possible that this was just a senseless act of violence against a random person. Could have been anybody.

[Anonymous]

Am I the only person that considers the possibility he was drunk? Wouldn't count out an anti-Muslim bias, but would go some ways to explaining the extraordinary escalation of confronting a fairly large group of teenagers and then kidnapping/beating/killing one of them.

[Anonymous]

What are the elements that make a crime a hate crime? What do the police and/or prosecutors look for that mark the difference?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Am I the only person that considers the possibility he was drunk? Wouldn't count out an anti-Muslim bias, but would go some ways to explaining the extraordinary escalation of confronting a fairly large group of teenagers and then kidnapping/beating/killing one of them.

Yeah. Drunk, high - something caused an explosive reaction in him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What are the elements that make a crime a hate crime? What do the police and/or prosecutors look for that mark the difference?

There are plenty of ways to qualify violence, which means there have to be different ways of punishing/preventing it within a society as well. There may be crimes of opportunity (eg a mugging, theft), sexual violence (eg rape, sexual assault), political violence (eg terrorism, collateral damage to civilians during an insurgency, etc), etc etc. AFAIU, a hate crime would be if the variables of the situation pointed to an individual carrying out violence against another individual based solely on a set of 'identifiers' like race, gender, religion, etc. Not a super exact science, but there's definitely a reason why it's categorized differently.

[Anonymous]

FCPD is not investigating this as a hate crime. I do believe they have more information than any of the people posting here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They say there was some sort of dispute between the driver of the car and the group of kids walking. The driver got out swinging a baseball bat and maybe knocked her down or she fell trying to get away.

It seems like a random attack, yet, the assailant abducted her. That seems unusual and particularly scary. I'm glad that they have the one suspect in custody and I hope that if there are any more suspects that they are apprehended ASAP.

My speculation based on watching/reading too many mystery and crime stories:

It's not a good idea to walk on that stretch of road to begin with but a group of teenage girls and very little to no cars, and the group was spilling into the street thinking their was no need to be as cautious as daytime.

Driver comes up quickly and the girls have to quickly move out of the way and they start shouting after the driver, maybe waving phones like they will take pics or call police.

Driver stops and confrontation ensues and driver might be drunk/tipsy and/or angry likely over something not related at all to these girls. They just fuel his anger. Maybe this girl threatens to call police and the driver gets scared. He wants to intimidate the girls and uses the baseball bat but accidentally hits the girl. The other girls have run off so he doesn't think they saw what happened. He picks her up and has the intention of getting help but maybe she dies in the car and he panics and then he leaves in her at the location she is found.

Next day he still feels guilty, thinks maybe he is wrong that she was dead and tries to go back and find her except police are there and notice him lurking around and stop to question him and then arrest him.

You're basically trying to make the killer look sympathetic. Sorry, I don't care what was said, anyone who gets out of their car swinging a metal baseball bat at people deserves no sympathy. Maybe have some sympathy for the family and stop speculating and justifying the death of their child.

Where did I make the killer out to be sympathetic? What action did he take that was sympathetic?