Girls being physically aggressive with boys in school - "you can't hit me back bc I'm a girl!"

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of Mad Max style schools do your kids attend where these marauding girls are routinely assaulting your kids, to the extent you've developed a "take-down" plan for when they come for your child? ("Put her on the ground" pp? Wtf?)

OP. I don't have a plan, lol. My boys aren't permitted to return the abuse and wouldn't even think to do so. It's a regular FCPS elementary. It's not a daily occurrence. It's a way to get attention from boys, so maybe my sons are just extra cute.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This isn't actually a problem, OP.

Violence against women? Now, there's a problem.

Your boys will survive this.

It is a huge problem.. it is how the cycle of violence begins. Eventually a man will hit her and she will believe she deserves it for hitting him first. She needs to learn to control her urge to hit.

If she hit first, she deserved it.

Whether or not she "deserved" it has nothing to do with it. The question is whether the man needs to use violence to protect himself. If he doesn't, then hitting her is just retaliation and he's wrong, too. If he does, then again, it's nothing to do with who deserved what, but about what a person needs to do in reasonable self-defense.

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Anonymous wrote:This isn't actually a problem, OP.

Violence against women? Now, there's a problem.

Your boys will survive this.

It is a problem when ANYONE, boy or girl, is subject to being hit, kicked, poked, or pinched at school. Everyone has a right to be free from violence and to protect their own body.

I have told my sons very clearly that they should NEVER hit a girl or woman first, but if she hits you, put her on the floor and then get away from her. Do what you have to do to protect your body.

Oh, simmer the fuck down you MRA nut

LOL

I am a woman and probably one of the most feminist people on this board. I don't tolerate violence, though, in any form from any one. I don't expect my boys to tolerate it either. If a person is physically violent, then they have earned a physically violent response.

Then I guess you do tolerate physical violence.

The use of violence in self-defense is necessary. I suppose I do tolerate the use of violence in self-defense.

Is your child's life in danger from these girls? Can your DS not walk away, or talk to a teacher? No skills? Just fists? Hard to respect people who act like cavemen.

Would you say that if it was a girl bullied by girls? These are kids still learning social skills. Bullying is a problem be it either gender.

Yes, bullying is a problem. But we don't teach our children to deal with bullies by hitting them. There are many other options. If you want your kids to hit, I guess you have your excuse, but I dont' want my boys hitting people. I am against that behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:This isn't actually a problem, OP.

Violence against women? Now, there's a problem.

Your boys will survive this.

It is a problem when ANYONE, boy or girl, is subject to being hit, kicked, poked, or pinched at school. Everyone has a right to be free from violence and to protect their own body.

I have told my sons very clearly that they should NEVER hit a girl or woman first, but if she hits you, put her on the floor and then get away from her. Do what you have to do to protect your body.

Way to teach your child to end up in prison some day. You sound like a nut job, and just the kind of poster OP has been tirelessly searching for.

A man isn't going to go to prison for defending himself. At most, he is going to get a misdemeanor charge. If he pushes self-defense as an affirmative defenses to the charges, he probably isn't even going to take a conviction on it.

Teach your girls not to hit and there is no problem.

Yes, if a man hits a woman after she hits him, he can get in serious trouble for it, if he hurts her. Even if he doesn't hurt her, he could get fired, lose a scholarship, etc.

Remember FSU QB De'Andre Johnson?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/06/us/florida-state-university-qb-suspended/

He got 10 days of community service and a fine under $1000. We can chance that. It's better than allowing someone to abuse you.

And kicked off the team.

She wasn't "abusing" him. And nobody should allow anyone to abuse them. They should walk away.

And remember Ray RIce. She hit me first, wah wah wah. I just had to knock her unconscious and drag her out of the elevator by her heels. I just HAD to. Disgusting.

Way to divert attention away from elementary kids bullying other elementary kids, and to make it okay. I hope you're not a teacher, because it's clear that you would absolutely ignore this if it happened in your classroom.

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Anonymous wrote:This isn't actually a problem, OP.

Violence against women? Now, there's a problem.

Your boys will survive this.

It is a problem when ANYONE, boy or girl, is subject to being hit, kicked, poked, or pinched at school. Everyone has a right to be free from violence and to protect their own body.

I have told my sons very clearly that they should NEVER hit a girl or woman first, but if she hits you, put her on the floor and then get away from her. Do what you have to do to protect your body.

Oh, simmer the fuck down you MRA nut

LOL

I am a woman and probably one of the most feminist people on this board. I don't tolerate violence, though, in any form from any one. I don't expect my boys to tolerate it either. If a person is physically violent, then they have earned a physically violent response.

Then I guess you do tolerate physical violence.

The use of violence in self-defense is necessary. I suppose I do tolerate the use of violence in self-defense.

Is your child's life in danger from these girls? Can your DS not walk away, or talk to a teacher? No skills? Just fists? Hard to respect people who act like cavemen.

Would you say that if it was a girl bullied by girls? These are kids still learning social skills. Bullying is a problem be it either gender.

Yes, bullying is a problem. But we don't teach our children to deal with bullies by hitting them. There are many other options. If you want your kids to hit, I guess you have your excuse, but I dont' want my boys hitting people. I am against that behavior.

No, there aren't. Just read all of the people on this board who think it's funny that a woman engages in domestic violence against a man, or who say it's not serious if the girls are hitting the boys. People like that aren't going to respond if a boy complains that he is being hit and bullied by a group of girls.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This isn't actually a problem, OP.

Violence against women? Now, there's a problem.

Your boys will survive this.

It is a problem when ANYONE, boy or girl, is subject to being hit, kicked, poked, or pinched at school. Everyone has a right to be free from violence and to protect their own body.

I have told my sons very clearly that they should NEVER hit a girl or woman first, but if she hits you, put her on the floor and then get away from her. Do what you have to do to protect your body.

Oh, simmer the fuck down you MRA nut

LOL

I am a woman and probably one of the most feminist people on this board. I don't tolerate violence, though, in any form from any one. I don't expect my boys to tolerate it either. If a person is physically violent, then they have earned a physically violent response.

Then I guess you do tolerate physical violence.

The use of violence in self-defense is necessary. I suppose I do tolerate the use of violence in self-defense.

Is your child's life in danger from these girls? Can your DS not walk away, or talk to a teacher? No skills? Just fists? Hard to respect people who act like cavemen.

Walking away and talking to a teacher usually doesn't stop anything. Bullying just continues behind the teacher's back. Returning violence with violence typically puts paid to whatever is going on.

No one asked for your respect. Respect from people like you isn't worth having.

Well I guess it's pretty clear why your kids are having such issues on the playground. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. You don't sound like a nice person....

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This isn't actually a problem, OP.

Violence against women? Now, there's a problem.

Your boys will survive this.

It is a problem when ANYONE, boy or girl, is subject to being hit, kicked, poked, or pinched at school. Everyone has a right to be free from violence and to protect their own body.

I have told my sons very clearly that they should NEVER hit a girl or woman first, but if she hits you, put her on the floor and then get away from her. Do what you have to do to protect your body.

Oh, simmer the fuck down you MRA nut

LOL

I am a woman and probably one of the most feminist people on this board. I don't tolerate violence, though, in any form from any one. I don't expect my boys to tolerate it either. If a person is physically violent, then they have earned a physically violent response.

Then I guess you do tolerate physical violence.

The use of violence in self-defense is necessary. I suppose I do tolerate the use of violence in self-defense.

Is your child's life in danger from these girls? Can your DS not walk away, or talk to a teacher? No skills? Just fists? Hard to respect people who act like cavemen.

Walking away and talking to a teacher usually doesn't stop anything. Bullying just continues behind the teacher's back. Returning violence with violence typically puts paid to whatever is going on.

No one asked for your respect. Respect from people like you isn't worth having.

Well I guess it's pretty clear why your kids are having such issues on the playground. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. You don't sound like a nice person....

Not OP, but if "nice" means "victim" then no, I am not a "nice" person.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. For the most part, my boys have come to understand that they need to stay away (though often the girls are chasing them, like I said it's often a ploy for their attention), and they sometimes tell the teacher. There is the aspect of not wanting to appear like a wimp, so there is reluctance to do that.

I'm more interested in hearing why girls think it's okay to do this.

Based on many responses so far, it's sadly become clear that they learn from their parents that it's okay, and impressed upon the girls that the MOST important thing is making sure the boys know their place and put up with it.

Point me to one person on this board who said that. One. Oh, you can't? Then fuck off. People are pointing out that (1) hitting girls can get boys, who are often bigger and stronger, in a lot of trouble, and (2) hitting is wrong even if you are hit first. Are these boys really in so much danger from these girls that they need to resort to violence to fend them off, or can they just walk away? If the latter, then that's what they should do.

Nice language, lol. I'm talking about the comments like: "They're right. They shouldn't hit girls. Deal with it." "This is not an issue." Several people early on commented and ignored the issue of the girls hitting the boys, but went straight to what the boys had better not do about it. I had already addressed that my boys hitting back was not the issue, but they wanted to focus on that rather than the problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This isn't actually a problem, OP.

Violence against women? Now, there's a problem.

Your boys will survive this.

It is a problem when ANYONE, boy or girl, is subject to being hit, kicked, poked, or pinched at school. Everyone has a right to be free from violence and to protect their own body.

I have told my sons very clearly that they should NEVER hit a girl or woman first, but if she hits you, put her on the floor and then get away from her. Do what you have to do to protect your body.

Oh, simmer the fuck down you MRA nut

LOL

I am a woman and probably one of the most feminist people on this board. I don't tolerate violence, though, in any form from any one. I don't expect my boys to tolerate it either. If a person is physically violent, then they have earned a physically violent response.

Then I guess you do tolerate physical violence.

The use of violence in self-defense is necessary. I suppose I do tolerate the use of violence in self-defense.

Is your child's life in danger from these girls? Can your DS not walk away, or talk to a teacher? No skills? Just fists? Hard to respect people who act like cavemen.

Walking away and talking to a teacher usually doesn't stop anything. Bullying just continues behind the teacher's back. Returning violence with violence typically puts paid to whatever is going on.

No one asked for your respect. Respect from people like you isn't worth having.

Well I guess it's pretty clear why your kids are having such issues on the playground. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. You don't sound like a nice person....

Straight to victim blaming. I take it that you think it's okay to hit people, as long as the people getting hit aren't "nice people."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This isn't actually a problem, OP.

Violence against women? Now, there's a problem.

Your boys will survive this.

It is a problem when ANYONE, boy or girl, is subject to being hit, kicked, poked, or pinched at school. Everyone has a right to be free from violence and to protect their own body.

I have told my sons very clearly that they should NEVER hit a girl or woman first, but if she hits you, put her on the floor and then get away from her. Do what you have to do to protect your body.

Oh, simmer the fuck down you MRA nut

LOL

I am a woman and probably one of the most feminist people on this board. I don't tolerate violence, though, in any form from any one. I don't expect my boys to tolerate it either. If a person is physically violent, then they have earned a physically violent response.

Then I guess you do tolerate physical violence.

The use of violence in self-defense is necessary. I suppose I do tolerate the use of violence in self-defense.

Is your child's life in danger from these girls? Can your DS not walk away, or talk to a teacher? No skills? Just fists? Hard to respect people who act like cavemen.

Would you say that if it was a girl bullied by girls? These are kids still learning social skills. Bullying is a problem be it either gender.

Yes, bullying is a problem. But we don't teach our children to deal with bullies by hitting them. There are many other options. If you want your kids to hit, I guess you have your excuse, but I dont' want my boys hitting people. I am against that behavior.

No, there aren't. Just read all of the people on this board who think it's funny that a woman engages in domestic violence against a man, or who say it's not serious if the girls are hitting the boys. People like that aren't going to respond if a boy complains that he is being hit and bullied by a group of girls.

Are you reading the same thread I am? Most are saying what the girls are doing is not OK, but don't hit back. Some are saying what the girls are doing is not OK, and hit them back. No one is saying it's OK or funny.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This isn't actually a problem, OP.

Violence against women? Now, there's a problem.

Your boys will survive this.

It is a problem when ANYONE, boy or girl, is subject to being hit, kicked, poked, or pinched at school. Everyone has a right to be free from violence and to protect their own body.

I have told my sons very clearly that they should NEVER hit a girl or woman first, but if she hits you, put her on the floor and then get away from her. Do what you have to do to protect your body.

Oh, simmer the fuck down you MRA nut

LOL

I am a woman and probably one of the most feminist people on this board. I don't tolerate violence, though, in any form from any one. I don't expect my boys to tolerate it either. If a person is physically violent, then they have earned a physically violent response.

Then I guess you do tolerate physical violence.

The use of violence in self-defense is necessary. I suppose I do tolerate the use of violence in self-defense.

Is your child's life in danger from these girls? Can your DS not walk away, or talk to a teacher? No skills? Just fists? Hard to respect people who act like cavemen.

Would you say that if it was a girl bullied by girls? These are kids still learning social skills. Bullying is a problem be it either gender.

Yes, bullying is a problem. But we don't teach our children to deal with bullies by hitting them. There are many other options. If you want your kids to hit, I guess you have your excuse, but I dont' want my boys hitting people. I am against that behavior.

No, there aren't. Just read all of the people on this board who think it's funny that a woman engages in domestic violence against a man, or who say it's not serious if the girls are hitting the boys. People like that aren't going to respond if a boy complains that he is being hit and bullied by a group of girls.

I don't think people think that. I think op is looking at the situation from a perspective that magnifies this issue, has sensitized her children to this idea, or has incredibly bad luck.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. For the most part, my boys have come to understand that they need to stay away (though often the girls are chasing them, like I said it's often a ploy for their attention), and they sometimes tell the teacher. There is the aspect of not wanting to appear like a wimp, so there is reluctance to do that.

I'm more interested in hearing why girls think it's okay to do this.

Based on many responses so far, it's sadly become clear that they learn from their parents that it's okay, and impressed upon the girls that the MOST important thing is making sure the boys know their place and put up with it.

Point me to one person on this board who said that. One. Oh, you can't? Then fuck off. People are pointing out that (1) hitting girls can get boys, who are often bigger and stronger, in a lot of trouble, and (2) hitting is wrong even if you are hit first. Are these boys really in so much danger from these girls that they need to resort to violence to fend them off, or can they just walk away? If the latter, then that's what they should do.

Nice language, lol. I'm talking about the comments like: "They're right. They shouldn't hit girls. Deal with it." "This is not an issue." Several people early on commented and ignored the issue of the girls hitting the boys, but went straight to what the boys had better not do about it. I had already addressed that my boys hitting back was not the issue, but they wanted to focus on that rather than the problem.

OP's post was about what her boys should do. Not about what she can do to address the girls' hitting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of Mad Max style schools do your kids attend where these marauding girls are routinely assaulting your kids, to the extent you've developed a "take-down" plan for when they come for your child? ("Put her on the ground" pp? Wtf?)

OP. I don't have a plan, lol. My boys aren't permitted to return the abuse and wouldn't even think to do so. It's a regular FCPS elementary. It's not a daily occurrence. It's a way to get attention from boys, so maybe my sons are just extra cute.

That is actually pretty sick.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This isn't actually a problem, OP.

Violence against women? Now, there's a problem.

Your boys will survive this.

It is a problem when ANYONE, boy or girl, is subject to being hit, kicked, poked, or pinched at school. Everyone has a right to be free from violence and to protect their own body.

I have told my sons very clearly that they should NEVER hit a girl or woman first, but if she hits you, put her on the floor and then get away from her. Do what you have to do to protect your body.

Oh, simmer the fuck down you MRA nut

LOL

I am a woman and probably one of the most feminist people on this board. I don't tolerate violence, though, in any form from any one. I don't expect my boys to tolerate it either. If a person is physically violent, then they have earned a physically violent response.

Then I guess you do tolerate physical violence.

The use of violence in self-defense is necessary. I suppose I do tolerate the use of violence in self-defense.

Is your child's life in danger from these girls? Can your DS not walk away, or talk to a teacher? No skills? Just fists? Hard to respect people who act like cavemen.

Would you say that if it was a girl bullied by girls? These are kids still learning social skills. Bullying is a problem be it either gender.

Yes, bullying is a problem. But we don't teach our children to deal with bullies by hitting them. There are many other options. If you want your kids to hit, I guess you have your excuse, but I dont' want my boys hitting people. I am against that behavior.

No, there aren't. Just read all of the people on this board who think it's funny that a woman engages in domestic violence against a man, or who say it's not serious if the girls are hitting the boys. People like that aren't going to respond if a boy complains that he is being hit and bullied by a group of girls.

Yes, I do respond. I tell my SON to stay away from her, I ask why he thinks she does shit like that, I tell him to tell her he likes her less and less the more she acts like that, etc. I teach my own child how to navigate the situation. Girl is an asshole. There will be many others in life, unfortunately. I can teach my own kid how to handle assholes in life in the way I expect him to (non-violently). He is doing a stellar job.

I wonder what you see for your DS's future, like what kind of a job can you have when you deal with assholes by "putting them on the floor"? I really don't know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This isn't actually a problem, OP.

Violence against women? Now, there's a problem.

Your boys will survive this.

It is a problem when ANYONE, boy or girl, is subject to being hit, kicked, poked, or pinched at school. Everyone has a right to be free from violence and to protect their own body.

I have told my sons very clearly that they should NEVER hit a girl or woman first, but if she hits you, put her on the floor and then get away from her. Do what you have to do to protect your body.

Oh, simmer the fuck down you MRA nut

LOL

I am a woman and probably one of the most feminist people on this board. I don't tolerate violence, though, in any form from any one. I don't expect my boys to tolerate it either. If a person is physically violent, then they have earned a physically violent response.

Then I guess you do tolerate physical violence.

The use of violence in self-defense is necessary. I suppose I do tolerate the use of violence in self-defense.

Is your child's life in danger from these girls? Can your DS not walk away, or talk to a teacher? No skills? Just fists? Hard to respect people who act like cavemen.

Would you say that if it was a girl bullied by girls? These are kids still learning social skills. Bullying is a problem be it either gender.

Yes, bullying is a problem. But we don't teach our children to deal with bullies by hitting them. There are many other options. If you want your kids to hit, I guess you have your excuse, but I dont' want my boys hitting people. I am against that behavior.

No, there aren't. Just read all of the people on this board who think it's funny that a woman engages in domestic violence against a man, or who say it's not serious if the girls are hitting the boys. People like that aren't going to respond if a boy complains that he is being hit and bullied by a group of girls.

Are you reading the same thread I am? Most are saying what the girls are doing is not OK, but don't hit back. Some are saying what the girls are doing is not OK, and hit them back. No one is saying it's OK or funny.

Let's see... one of the first responses was that PP had never heard of it happening. Another response called OP "an MRA nutter." Numerous people have said that if a boy's life is in danger, he should just walk away. Someone specifically said that it was "a joke" that Liza Minnelli beat the crap out of her former husband. Someone just prior to your post suggested that my boys deserved to be hit because I am "not a nice person."