Med student allegedly inappropriate with female patient and commits suicide after disciplinary action

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Anonymous wrote:Classic example of a child having been raised to adulthood without ever having learned to accept consequences for behavior. The parents failed this child.

The parents using a photo of him in a lab coat for the obit speaks volumes.

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Am I reading this right, the victim is herself a young RN?!

You all think a licensed nurse made all of this up? It shows how next-level creepy and unprofessional he was for her to immediately make a complaint. Other patients wouldn't know how to complain and would probably just want to put it behind them.

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Anonymous wrote:The psychotic bloodlust in this thread is horrific.

Believe all women sure didn't last last long.

You can believe her without upending his career before an investigation.

His career wasn't upended, they hadn't even had the hearing yet.

Doctors are treated with kid gloves throughout their careers, especially when facing disciplinary actions. His career was not ending and his response shows he was mentally unstable.

His career was ending. If he can't finish then he can't graduate. They told him to stop going. Then he reached out for help and there was none. This was all handled very badly.

His career was not ending. All he needed to do, according to the university, was to attend the meeting, apologize, and present a plan for how this would never happen again. The bar couldn’t be much lower.

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Anonymous wrote:That is a poorly written article. It sounds as though the parents are suing because the school sent him an email at 11:30 at night, at a “vulnerable time.”

Emails can be sent and read at any time. What if the email had been sent at 9:00 am, but the young man didn’t open it until 11:30? The school is not responsible for the time of day that a person reads a message.

There was an very similar claim in another case against a university after a student suicide. That the timing of the email was reckless and created culpability. I'm blanking on the school and don't know what the resolution was.

Stanford. A female soccer player was accused of a bullying act for allegedly purposely spilled some coffee on a male football player accused of sexually assaulting a 17 year old female soccer player -- she was threatened with possible expulsion via email. Lawsuit was settled recently, no word on if the parents collected any money, but an annual scholarship was created for the late girl, and her jersey was retired:

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/47736689/stanford-family-katie-meyer-settle-wrongful-death-lawsuit

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Anonymous wrote:I found it odd that she said he DMd her but provided no screenshots and said she couldn't because he blocked her? Hm. Also, was there a witness to all this? Wouldn't there me someone else in the exam room?

You can read the docs on the original links— he was in the room with a nurse (or NP?). I don’t know why the supervising clinician didn’t pull him out of the room or report the event herself.

That does seem odd, no?

Yeah- I don’t believe her version. He said he blocked her on Instagram. Why would she give him her Instagram info anyway if he was making her uncomfortable? The whole thing is odd and does not rise to him being a “sexual predator” especially if there was literally someone in the room for his exam. Would definitely need investigating and I think the school did handle poorly. He didn’t sexually assault anyone or was even excused of that. Asking what a patient views as “inappropriate questions” with another person in the room does not to me rise to the level
Of putting him on leave- even while they investigate further

It was his claim she gave the instagram handle, isn't it? But I don't see where the girl patient stated that. It's very easy to search for someone's profile when you have their name and location. I have had creepy bartenders and waiters in the past try to follow me on instagram and facebook after going out to eat. Presumably they got it from my credit card or remember my name when they asked for ID if we ordered wine. Super creepy and I immediately block them.

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Anonymous wrote:The psychotic bloodlust in this thread is horrific.

Believe all women sure didn't last last long.

You can believe her without upending his career before an investigation.

His career wasn't upended, they hadn't even had the hearing yet.

Doctors are treated with kid gloves throughout their careers, especially when facing disciplinary actions. His career was not ending and his response shows he was mentally unstable.

His career was ending. If he can't finish then he can't graduate. They told him to stop going. Then he reached out for help and there was none. This was all handled very badly.

His career was not ending. All he needed to do, according to the university, was to attend the meeting, apologize, and present a plan for how this would never happen again. The bar couldn’t be much lower.

That's not what it says. He needed to attend his clinical rotation every day, they told him to stop going, during this time.

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Anonymous wrote:The psychotic bloodlust in this thread is horrific.

Believe all women sure didn't last last long.

You can believe her without upending his career before an investigation.

His career wasn't upended, they hadn't even had the hearing yet.

Doctors are treated with kid gloves throughout their careers, especially when facing disciplinary actions. His career was not ending and his response shows he was mentally unstable.

His career was ending. If he can't finish then he can't graduate. They told him to stop going. Then he reached out for help and there was none. This was all handled very badly.

His career was not ending. All he needed to do, according to the university, was to attend the meeting, apologize, and present a plan for how this would never happen again. The bar couldn’t be much lower.

That's not what it says. He needed to attend his clinical rotation every day, they told him to stop going, during this time.

How is that ending his career? No one ever resumes their training after a disciplinary hearing? BS

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Anonymous wrote:The psychotic bloodlust in this thread is horrific.

Believe all women sure didn't last last long.

You can believe her without upending his career before an investigation.

His career wasn't upended, they hadn't even had the hearing yet.

Doctors are treated with kid gloves throughout their careers, especially when facing disciplinary actions. His career was not ending and his response shows he was mentally unstable.

His career was ending. If he can't finish then he can't graduate. They told him to stop going. Then he reached out for help and there was none. This was all handled very badly.

His career was not ending. All he needed to do, according to the university, was to attend the meeting, apologize, and present a plan for how this would never happen again. The bar couldn’t be much lower.

That's not what it says. He needed to attend his clinical rotation every day, they told him to stop going, during this time.

How is that ending his career? No one ever resumes their training after a disciplinary hearing? BS

Do you have first hand knowledge of 3rd yr medical student clinical rotations? There does seem to be a presumption of guilt until proven innocence. His version of the story seems just as plausible as hers.

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Anonymous wrote:The psychotic bloodlust in this thread is horrific.

Believe all women sure didn't last last long.

You can believe her without upending his career before an investigation.

His career wasn't upended, they hadn't even had the hearing yet.

Doctors are treated with kid gloves throughout their careers, especially when facing disciplinary actions. His career was not ending and his response shows he was mentally unstable.

His career was ending. If he can't finish then he can't graduate. They told him to stop going. Then he reached out for help and there was none. This was all handled very badly.

His career was not ending. All he needed to do, according to the university, was to attend the meeting, apologize, and present a plan for how this would never happen again. The bar couldn’t be much lower.

That's not what it says. He needed to attend his clinical rotation every day, they told him to stop going, during this time.

That’s exactly what it says. He couldn’t agent clinical rotations until the meeting, which was in 18 days. At the meeting he was expected to demonstrate remorse and present a plan to keep this from happening again.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The psychotic bloodlust in this thread is horrific.

Believe all women sure didn't last last long.

You can believe her without upending his career before an investigation.

His career wasn't upended, they hadn't even had the hearing yet.

Doctors are treated with kid gloves throughout their careers, especially when facing disciplinary actions. His career was not ending and his response shows he was mentally unstable.

His career was ending. If he can't finish then he can't graduate. They told him to stop going. Then he reached out for help and there was none. This was all handled very badly.

His career was not ending. All he needed to do, according to the university, was to attend the meeting, apologize, and present a plan for how this would never happen again. The bar couldn’t be much lower.

That's not what it says. He needed to attend his clinical rotation every day, they told him to stop going, during this time.

That’s exactly what it says. He couldn’t agent clinical rotations until the meeting, which was in 18 days. At the meeting he was expected to demonstrate remorse and present a plan to keep this from happening again.

This is what it says.
"Duggal was to present to the Committee of Student Grading and Promotion (GPC) in 18 days and couldn’t attend clinical rotations until then. As a third-year student, almost every day required clinical rotations."

How do you propose he "make this up" after the fact? Perhaps he could have just had monitored rotations so that he wasn't alone with a patient. If a student kills themselves over this perhaps there might be a better way? Do they really want blood on their hands?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The psychotic bloodlust in this thread is horrific.

Believe all women sure didn't last last long.

You can believe her without upending his career before an investigation.

His career wasn't upended, they hadn't even had the hearing yet.

Doctors are treated with kid gloves throughout their careers, especially when facing disciplinary actions. His career was not ending and his response shows he was mentally unstable.

His career was ending. If he can't finish then he can't graduate. They told him to stop going. Then he reached out for help and there was none. This was all handled very badly.

His career was not ending. All he needed to do, according to the university, was to attend the meeting, apologize, and present a plan for how this would never happen again. The bar couldn’t be much lower.

That's not what it says. He needed to attend his clinical rotation every day, they told him to stop going, during this time.

That’s exactly what it says. He couldn’t agent clinical rotations until the meeting, which was in 18 days. At the meeting he was expected to demonstrate remorse and present a plan to keep this from happening again.

This is what it says.
"Duggal was to present to the Committee of Student Grading and Promotion (GPC) in 18 days and couldn’t attend clinical rotations until then. As a third-year student, almost every day required clinical rotations."

How do you propose he "make this up" after the fact? Perhaps he could have just had monitored rotations so that he wasn't alone with a patient. If a student kills themselves over this perhaps there might be a better way? Do they really want blood on their hands?

He can make them up in whatever way exists for any other student who is forced to miss clinical rotations due to illness, incapacitation, or familial obligations. Surely you understand that there is a system in place to deal with situations where students miss rotations, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Classic example of a child having been raised to adulthood without ever having learned to accept consequences for behavior. The parents failed this child.

The parents using a photo of him in a lab coat for the obit speaks volumes.

His obituary identifies him as "Dr."

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Anonymous wrote:The psychotic bloodlust in this thread is horrific.

Believe all women sure didn't last last long.

You can believe her without upending his career before an investigation.

His career wasn't upended, they hadn't even had the hearing yet.

Doctors are treated with kid gloves throughout their careers, especially when facing disciplinary actions. His career was not ending and his response shows he was mentally unstable.

His career was ending. If he can't finish then he can't graduate. They told him to stop going. Then he reached out for help and there was none. This was all handled very badly.

His career was not ending. All he needed to do, according to the university, was to attend the meeting, apologize, and present a plan for how this would never happen again. The bar couldn’t be much lower.

That's not what it says. He needed to attend his clinical rotation every day, they told him to stop going, during this time.

That’s exactly what it says. He couldn’t agent clinical rotations until the meeting, which was in 18 days. At the meeting he was expected to demonstrate remorse and present a plan to keep this from happening again.

This is what it says.
"Duggal was to present to the Committee of Student Grading and Promotion (GPC) in 18 days and couldn’t attend clinical rotations until then. As a third-year student, almost every day required clinical rotations."

How do you propose he "make this up" after the fact? Perhaps he could have just had monitored rotations so that he wasn't alone with a patient. If a student kills themselves over this perhaps there might be a better way? Do they really want blood on their hands?

He can make them up in whatever way exists for any other student who is forced to miss clinical rotations due to illness, incapacitation, or familial obligations. Surely you understand that there is a system in place to deal with situations where students miss rotations, right?

Explain it in full detail. How one can miss that much and graduate on time or not have to repeat it.

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Anonymous wrote:The psychotic bloodlust in this thread is horrific.

Believe all women sure didn't last last long.

You can believe her without upending his career before an investigation.

His career wasn't upended, they hadn't even had the hearing yet.

Doctors are treated with kid gloves throughout their careers, especially when facing disciplinary actions. His career was not ending and his response shows he was mentally unstable.

His career was ending. If he can't finish then he can't graduate. They told him to stop going. Then he reached out for help and there was none. This was all handled very badly.

His career was not ending. All he needed to do, according to the university, was to attend the meeting, apologize, and present a plan for how this would never happen again. The bar couldn’t be much lower.

That's not what it says. He needed to attend his clinical rotation every day, they told him to stop going, during this time.

That’s exactly what it says. He couldn’t agent clinical rotations until the meeting, which was in 18 days. At the meeting he was expected to demonstrate remorse and present a plan to keep this from happening again.

This is what it says.
"Duggal was to present to the Committee of Student Grading and Promotion (GPC) in 18 days and couldn’t attend clinical rotations until then. As a third-year student, almost every day required clinical rotations."

How do you propose he "make this up" after the fact? Perhaps he could have just had monitored rotations so that he wasn't alone with a patient. If a student kills themselves over this perhaps there might be a better way? Do they really want blood on their hands?

He can make them up in whatever way exists for any other student who is forced to miss clinical rotations due to illness, incapacitation, or familial obligations. Surely you understand that there is a system in place to deal with situations where students miss rotations, right?

Explain it in full detail. How one can miss that much and graduate on time or not have to repeat it.

https://www.elpaso.ttuhsc.edu/som/ome/CEPC/_documents/Common_clerkship_policies_AY_2022-2023_Clean_for_Website-April_2022.pdf

See pages 2-3. There's literally a written policy for dealing with extended absences from clinical rotations.

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Anonymous wrote:The psychotic bloodlust in this thread is horrific.

Believe all women sure didn't last last long.

You can believe her without upending his career before an investigation.

His career wasn't upended, they hadn't even had the hearing yet.

Doctors are treated with kid gloves throughout their careers, especially when facing disciplinary actions. His career was not ending and his response shows he was mentally unstable.

His career was ending. If he can't finish then he can't graduate. They told him to stop going. Then he reached out for help and there was none. This was all handled very badly.

His career was not ending. All he needed to do, according to the university, was to attend the meeting, apologize, and present a plan for how this would never happen again. The bar couldn’t be much lower.

That's not what it says. He needed to attend his clinical rotation every day, they told him to stop going, during this time.

That’s exactly what it says. He couldn’t agent clinical rotations until the meeting, which was in 18 days. At the meeting he was expected to demonstrate remorse and present a plan to keep this from happening again.

This is what it says.
"Duggal was to present to the Committee of Student Grading and Promotion (GPC) in 18 days and couldn’t attend clinical rotations until then. As a third-year student, almost every day required clinical rotations."

How do you propose he "make this up" after the fact? Perhaps he could have just had monitored rotations so that he wasn't alone with a patient. If a student kills themselves over this perhaps there might be a better way? Do they really want blood on their hands?

He can make them up in whatever way exists for any other student who is forced to miss clinical rotations due to illness, incapacitation, or familial obligations. Surely you understand that there is a system in place to deal with situations where students miss rotations, right?

Explain it in full detail. How one can miss that much and graduate on time or not have to repeat it.

https://www.elpaso.ttuhsc.edu/som/ome/CEPC/_documents/Common_clerkship_policies_AY_2022-2023_Clean_for_Website-April_2022.pdf

See pages 2-3. There's literally a written policy for dealing with extended absences from clinical rotations.

The consequences are severe for missing that much time. He would be effed.

If a student is absent more than 6 days per block or 12 days during third year (including excused
absences), it will be reviewed by the associate dean for student affairs. Excessive absences could be a
violation of the Student Code of Conduct and may be forwarded to the Grading and Promotions
Committee.