Med student allegedly inappropriate with female patient and commits suicide after disciplinary action

[Anonymous]

I love the tribal kooks in here acting like some random college girl must have cooked up a scheme to nail some dorky med student she didn't know. Give me a break. Far, far more likely he's done this to several other female patients who didn't follow through with a complaint.

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Anonymous wrote:I found it odd that she said he DMd her but provided no screenshots and said she couldn't because he blocked her? Hm. Also, was there a witness to all this? Wouldn't there me someone else in the exam room?

You can read the docs on the original links— he was in the room with a nurse (or NP?). I don’t know why the supervising clinician didn’t pull him out of the room or report the event herself.

That does seem odd, no?

Yeah- I don’t believe her version. He said he blocked her on Instagram. Why would she give him her Instagram info anyway if he was making her uncomfortable? The whole thing is odd and does not rise to him being a “sexual predator” especially if there was literally someone in the room for his exam. Would definitely need investigating and I think the school did handle poorly. He didn’t sexually assault anyone or was even excused of that. Asking what a patient views as “inappropriate questions” with another person in the room does not to me rise to the level
Of putting him on leave- even while they investigate further

Disagree, all the questions he asked and the interactions suggest that he did lacked professionalism and common sense. He needed to be pulled from rotations to investigate the allegations.

He is literally never alone for the rotations and with patients. He is constantly supervised. There is no reason he couldn’t have been counseled/educated on how to question patients and that’s that. Did the NP in the room find the questions inappropriate? A patient finding questions inappropriate does not rise to the level of sexual misconduct or any crime what so ever that would warrent him being banned from clinical rotations

Medical students can see patients on their own. Who said he was supervised in the room? Usually med students see patients alone and then present to their supervising doctor

Male doctors don’t even examine female patients alone. Certainly not male medically students doing a GYN exam. There 100% was someone in the room with him

Clearly you are not in medicine. He did not do a gyn exam- he offered one. You can take a sexual history without supervision and even if he was supervised that doesn’t mean what he said was less creepy

Why doesn’t she have screenshots for what she said he said on instagram?

Some gal woke up one day and said I'm going to cook up a scheme to nail some dweeb medical student who examined me at the campus clinic/hospital. Is that really what you think?

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Anonymous wrote:The psychotic bloodlust in this thread is horrific.

Believe all women sure didn't last last long.

You can believe her without upending his career before an investigation.

His career wasn't upended, they hadn't even had the hearing yet.

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Anonymous wrote:The psychotic bloodlust in this thread is horrific.

Believe all women sure didn't last last long.

They’d believe her if she was accusing blond Cody Smith from Kentucky.

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Anonymous wrote:I love the tribal kooks in here acting like some random college girl must have cooked up a scheme to nail some dorky med student she didn't know. Give me a break. Far, far more likely he's done this to several other female patients who didn't follow through with a complaint.

I think there's sort of room here for a nuanced opinion. If what he said is true that she brought up her boyfriend and instagram first, then she was being inappropriate, but it's ok for her to be inappropriate, because she's the patient. The med student should ignore those comments and focus on a responsible intake and exam. In particular, asking if her boyfriend would mind if he touched her was completely gross. Complimenting her abs was gross. Even from his account, it sounds like he was flirting with her, which is not ok even if she initiated it. Following her on insta was not ok even if she shared her handle.

I don't see what the school did wrong. They had an in person meeting and counseledhim on proper behavior, referred him to the counseling, and then put him on leave pending investigation. And, possibly, if that investigation showed this was truly a one-off incident and occurred because the girl initiated the conversation, then he may have gotten away with it, especially with his "cultural differences." He acted in haste by doing what he did before the investigation occurred. That is unfortunate. I just can't see blaming the school because the email was sent later at night, especially given it sounds like he was already given an idea this was coming during the meeting. He probably had other mental health problems. I don't know if he was a predator or just had terrible judgment. He was on a slippery slope and of course the school had to pull him while this was reviewed.

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Anonymous wrote:The psychotic bloodlust in this thread is horrific.

Believe all women sure didn't last last long.

They’d believe her if she was accusing blond Cody Smith from Kentucky.

Oppression hierarchy.

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Classic example of a child having been raised to adulthood without ever having learned to accept consequences for behavior. The parents failed this child.

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Anonymous wrote:I love the tribal kooks in here acting like some random college girl must have cooked up a scheme to nail some dorky med student she didn't know. Give me a break. Far, far more likely he's done this to several other female patients who didn't follow through with a complaint.

+1. There is never just one incident.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.everythinglubbock.com/news/local-news/texas-tech-medical-student-dies-after-seeking-mental-health-help/

Med student asked inappropriate sexual questions to patient and asked to follow on instagram. Also offered to do a pap. The patient reported it- he was investigated and committed suicide. Parents are suing the med school. How do we prevent Larry Nassar’s? It seems like schools can’t win.

That is not what is described in the article.

He asked her if she had ever had a threesome, how is that ever an appropriate question from a medical provider?

I teach med students how to take sexual histories.

It is absolutely not appropriate. The students are taught to ask about number of partners, current and lifetime and perhaps over a certain period of recent time (past year, past 6 months, or whatever) depending on the concerns that arise out of the chief complaint, history, and/or exam. They are taught to ask about how partners identify, and what kind of sex practices are engaged in (vaginal, anal, oral), and whether or not toys are used. And of course whether or not barrier methods of protection are used. And these detailed questions are only asked in context of assessing risk, providing care, and counseling the patient regarding safe practices.

So how many partners one has had recently? Legit question. What kinds of sex one is engaging in with those partners? Legit question. Whether or not three people are all engaging in those practices together at once? No. The only thing I can think of in which this might be a legit area to explore is a psych patient who is manic and putting themself at risk in multiple ways as a result of manic hypersexuality. But even then -- asking if the patient has ever had a threesome? No.

So many invasive questions! Asking about sexual toys?? In what scenario are these questions considered appropriate??!!

I fail to understand how using toys can cause STIS. Are people sharing toys? I mean please tell me that this is not the case.

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Anonymous wrote:I love the tribal kooks in here acting like some random college girl must have cooked up a scheme to nail some dorky med student she didn't know. Give me a break. Far, far more likely he's done this to several other female patients who didn't follow through with a complaint.

I think there's sort of room here for a nuanced opinion. If what he said is true that she brought up her boyfriend and instagram first, then she was being inappropriate, but it's ok for her to be inappropriate, because she's the patient. The med student should ignore those comments and focus on a responsible intake and exam. In particular, asking if her boyfriend would mind if he touched her was completely gross. Complimenting her abs was gross. Even from his account, it sounds like he was flirting with her, which is not ok even if she initiated it. Following her on insta was not ok even if she shared her handle.

I don't see what the school did wrong. They had an in person meeting and counseledhim on proper behavior, referred him to the counseling, and then put him on leave pending investigation. And, possibly, if that investigation showed this was truly a one-off incident and occurred because the girl initiated the conversation, then he may have gotten away with it, especially with his "cultural differences." He acted in haste by doing what he did before the investigation occurred. That is unfortunate. I just can't see blaming the school because the email was sent later at night, especially given it sounds like he was already given an idea this was coming during the meeting. He probably had other mental health problems. I don't know if he was a predator or just had terrible judgment. He was on a slippery slope and of course the school had to pull him while this was reviewed.

Not to mention he had a girlfriend too!! Total creep.

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Anonymous wrote:The psychotic bloodlust in this thread is horrific.

Believe all women sure didn't last last long.

You can believe her without upending his career before an investigation.

His career wasn't upended, they hadn't even had the hearing yet.

Doctors are treated with kid gloves throughout their careers, especially when facing disciplinary actions. His career was not ending and his response shows he was mentally unstable.

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Anonymous wrote:The psychotic bloodlust in this thread is horrific.

Believe all women sure didn't last last long.

You can believe her without upending his career before an investigation.

His career wasn't upended, they hadn't even had the hearing yet.

Doctors are treated with kid gloves throughout their careers, especially when facing disciplinary actions. His career was not ending and his response shows he was mentally unstable.

His career was ending. If he can't finish then he can't graduate. They told him to stop going. Then he reached out for help and there was none. This was all handled very badly.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s understandable that the parents are looking for someone to blame but how is the school responsible for the medical student’s inappropriate behavior?

He should have shown up the next day as instructed. He decided to cross state lines, purchase a gun and kill himself.

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Anonymous wrote:The psychotic bloodlust in this thread is horrific.

Believe all women sure didn't last last long.

You can believe her without upending his career before an investigation.

His career wasn't upended, they hadn't even had the hearing yet.

Doctors are treated with kid gloves throughout their careers, especially when facing disciplinary actions. His career was not ending and his response shows he was mentally unstable.

Mentally unstable to put it mildly and my hunch he was paranoid more female accusers would come forward. A one-off he said she said + following a patient on instagram isn't going to ruin anyone's medical career.

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Anonymous wrote:I love the tribal kooks in here acting like some random college girl must have cooked up a scheme to nail some dorky med student she didn't know. Give me a break. Far, far more likely he's done this to several other female patients who didn't follow through with a complaint.

I think there's sort of room here for a nuanced opinion. If what he said is true that she brought up her boyfriend and instagram first, then she was being inappropriate, but it's ok for her to be inappropriate, because she's the patient. The med student should ignore those comments and focus on a responsible intake and exam. In particular, asking if her boyfriend would mind if he touched her was completely gross. Complimenting her abs was gross. Even from his account, it sounds like he was flirting with her, which is not ok even if she initiated it. Following her on insta was not ok even if she shared her handle.

I don't see what the school did wrong. They had an in person meeting and counseledhim on proper behavior, referred him to the counseling, and then put him on leave pending investigation. And, possibly, if that investigation showed this was truly a one-off incident and occurred because the girl initiated the conversation, then he may have gotten away with it, especially with his "cultural differences." He acted in haste by doing what he did before the investigation occurred. That is unfortunate. I just can't see blaming the school because the email was sent later at night, especially given it sounds like he was already given an idea this was coming during the meeting. He probably had other mental health problems. I don't know if he was a predator or just had terrible judgment. He was on a slippery slope and of course the school had to pull him while this was reviewed.

I find it incredibly hard to believe an attractive co-ed would initiate flirting with that man.