Democracy is overrated - China won

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Anonymous wrote:China's nominal GDP per capita in 2024 was $13,300.

Do you enjoy being poor, OP?

So stupid. Their cars, roads, and taxi, bus, train, and plane infrastructure is way better. I was there in the late 90s and in 30 years they have literally transformed dozens of cities way more populated and advanced than American ones. They have a surplus of educated citizens so they have to export them to the rest of the world. These people literally become a global network of trade and services. They've learned from the Japanese and Korean economic policies. As seen in other Asian economic miracles, democracy will come later.

Their people flee their country and don't want to go back to live there. How very strange -- you'd think it would be the opposite, given that the homeland is a paragon of virtues.

Where exactly are your stats on that? You sound racist. The poor people come here to work and live just like 150 other countries in the world. But so many educated Chinese on student visas go back to China. I hope you're not confusing with the Taiwan(#1)ese or Hong Kongers.

Asians will dominate the future world because they are more hard working, their citizens are smarter, and the governments plan ahead better. In several Asian countries, entirely new cities have been created almost overnight because there was a need for them. How many brand new cities have been created in America in the past 100 years?


China offers more support to returning overseas students as influx grows
https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3336586/china-offers-more-support-returning-overseas-students-influx-grows

China has launched a national-level service platform to help returning overseas students find work and start businesses, as the country steps up its efforts to attract talent and the number of returnees surges.

The Ministry of Education has partnered with 50 organisations to provide returnees with entrepreneurial mentors and match them directly with local government and corporate needs.

Talk about propaganda. —DP

“ The number of people from China seeking asylum worldwide has risen sharply in the past decade, according to the U.N.”
https://projects.voanews.com/china-exodus/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Office%20of%20the%20United,*%20**Canada's%20Prince%20Edward%20Island**%20*%20**Ecuador**

“In 2023, more than 37,000 Chinese immigrants were detained for attempting to enter the United States illegally, more than the past 10 years combined.”
https://uscnpm.org/analysis/chinese-immigration-to-the-united-states-past-present-and-future/#:~:text=Chinese%2520citizens%2520struggling%2520to%2520find,things%2520are%2520going%2520in%2520China.%E2%80%9D

There’s a lot more data out there for your edification.

The Chinese population is a billion. You're talking about thousands. And those are specific populations. Economic growth doesn't come without sacrifices and uneven growth. Show me an example where that wasn't true. Your examples and your fake horror are ridiculous. White people still haven't given blacks complete freedom in America. We're not even talking about the 250 years of free labor (along with the 75 years of de facto very cheap labor) that built the American economy. This is 2026. There are still: Economic policies that oppress blacks. Education policies that oppress blacks. Uneven application of laws that oppress blacks. Drugs and cigarettes being pushed into black neighborhoods. etc etc. Ironically, if black people hadn't made the American economy the strongest in the world, many of them would probably have migrated to England or whatever other economy was dominant.

LOL. Spoken like a true MAGA. Like China isn't doing the same. You can't even get citizenship if you're born to double Han parents. Poor students in rural communities aren't allowed to study in Beijing. There isn't even a whiff of a Chinese dream there.

China's shit smells as bad as the US's, and was definitely worse pre-Trump 2.0.

MAGA? You're fkn ingorant. There's only one way for a country to succeed in a world that is deliberately constrained by protectionist organizations like the G7, OECD, IMF, and WTO. Think of all the successful non-European post-WWII economies. If you don't understand then read some about how they got there.

And about this dogging on countries that are trying to catch up, you can't rape and pillage for 100s of years, destroy the environment, and use up all the easy to acquire natural resources and then demand that the developing countries that you destroyed can't do what you did in order to grow and succeed. Shouldn't they get the gift of 500 years of imperialism as well?

No one's defending China's human rights or anything else. But you can't impose that other countries shouldn't have the benefit of 500 years of world wars and all the other bullshit that made certain economies great. You can only hope that through diplomacy and concessions, they will mostly play nice.

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Anonymous wrote:China's nominal GDP per capita in 2024 was $13,300.

Do you enjoy being poor, OP?

So stupid. Their cars, roads, and taxi, bus, train, and plane infrastructure is way better. I was there in the late 90s and in 30 years they have literally transformed dozens of cities way more populated and advanced than American ones. They have a surplus of educated citizens so they have to export them to the rest of the world. These people literally become a global network of trade and services. They've learned from the Japanese and Korean economic policies. As seen in other Asian economic miracles, democracy will come later.

Their people flee their country and don't want to go back to live there. How very strange -- you'd think it would be the opposite, given that the homeland is a paragon of virtues.

Where exactly are your stats on that? You sound racist. The poor people come here to work and live just like 150 other countries in the world. But so many educated Chinese on student visas go back to China. I hope you're not confusing with the Taiwan(#1)ese or Hong Kongers.

Asians will dominate the future world because they are more hard working, their citizens are smarter, and the governments plan ahead better. In several Asian countries, entirely new cities have been created almost overnight because there was a need for them. How many brand new cities have been created in America in the past 100 years?


China offers more support to returning overseas students as influx grows
https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3336586/china-offers-more-support-returning-overseas-students-influx-grows

China has launched a national-level service platform to help returning overseas students find work and start businesses, as the country steps up its efforts to attract talent and the number of returnees surges.

The Ministry of Education has partnered with 50 organisations to provide returnees with entrepreneurial mentors and match them directly with local government and corporate needs.

Talk about propaganda. —DP

“ The number of people from China seeking asylum worldwide has risen sharply in the past decade, according to the U.N.”
https://projects.voanews.com/china-exodus/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Office%20of%20the%20United,*%20**Canada's%20Prince%20Edward%20Island**%20*%20**Ecuador**

“In 2023, more than 37,000 Chinese immigrants were detained for attempting to enter the United States illegally, more than the past 10 years combined.”
https://uscnpm.org/analysis/chinese-immigration-to-the-united-states-past-present-and-future/#:~:text=Chinese%2520citizens%2520struggling%2520to%2520find,things%2520are%2520going%2520in%2520China.%E2%80%9D

There’s a lot more data out there for your edification.

The Chinese population is a billion. You're talking about thousands. And those are specific populations. Economic growth doesn't come without sacrifices and uneven growth. Show me an example where that wasn't true. Your examples and your fake horror are ridiculous. White people still haven't given blacks complete freedom in America. We're not even talking about the 250 years of free labor (along with the 75 years of de facto very cheap labor) that built the American economy. This is 2026. There are still: Economic policies that oppress blacks. Education policies that oppress blacks. Uneven application of laws that oppress blacks. Drugs and cigarettes being pushed into black neighborhoods. etc etc. Ironically, if black people hadn't made the American economy the strongest in the world, many of them would probably have migrated to England or whatever other economy was dominant.

You sure like to talk s--t about other countries, but when it comes to your own, it's all excuses, excuses, excuses. Pathetic.

What is "my own" you fkn goon?

Learn grammar.

other countries <-- your own

And which is "my own"? You made an accusation but your English is terrible; so I'd just like a one or two word response so I know how to answer. Even that stupid arrow makes no sense.

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Anonymous wrote:China's nominal GDP per capita in 2024 was $13,300.

Do you enjoy being poor, OP?

So stupid. Their cars, roads, and taxi, bus, train, and plane infrastructure is way better. I was there in the late 90s and in 30 years they have literally transformed dozens of cities way more populated and advanced than American ones. They have a surplus of educated citizens so they have to export them to the rest of the world. These people literally become a global network of trade and services. They've learned from the Japanese and Korean economic policies. As seen in other Asian economic miracles, democracy will come later.

Their people flee their country and don't want to go back to live there. How very strange -- you'd think it would be the opposite, given that the homeland is a paragon of virtues.

Where exactly are your stats on that? You sound racist. The poor people come here to work and live just like 150 other countries in the world. But so many educated Chinese on student visas go back to China. I hope you're not confusing with the Taiwan(#1)ese or Hong Kongers.

Asians will dominate the future world because they are more hard working, their citizens are smarter, and the governments plan ahead better. In several Asian countries, entirely new cities have been created almost overnight because there was a need for them. How many brand new cities have been created in America in the past 100 years?


China offers more support to returning overseas students as influx grows
https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3336586/china-offers-more-support-returning-overseas-students-influx-grows

China has launched a national-level service platform to help returning overseas students find work and start businesses, as the country steps up its efforts to attract talent and the number of returnees surges.

The Ministry of Education has partnered with 50 organisations to provide returnees with entrepreneurial mentors and match them directly with local government and corporate needs.

Talk about propaganda. —DP

“ The number of people from China seeking asylum worldwide has risen sharply in the past decade, according to the U.N.”
https://projects.voanews.com/china-exodus/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Office%20of%20the%20United,*%20**Canada's%20Prince%20Edward%20Island**%20*%20**Ecuador**

“In 2023, more than 37,000 Chinese immigrants were detained for attempting to enter the United States illegally, more than the past 10 years combined.”
https://uscnpm.org/analysis/chinese-immigration-to-the-united-states-past-present-and-future/#:~:text=Chinese%2520citizens%2520struggling%2520to%2520find,things%2520are%2520going%2520in%2520China.%E2%80%9D

There’s a lot more data out there for your edification.

The Chinese population is a billion. You're talking about thousands. And those are specific populations. Economic growth doesn't come without sacrifices and uneven growth. Show me an example where that wasn't true. Your examples and your fake horror are ridiculous. White people still haven't given blacks complete freedom in America. We're not even talking about the 250 years of free labor (along with the 75 years of de facto very cheap labor) that built the American economy. This is 2026. There are still: Economic policies that oppress blacks. Education policies that oppress blacks. Uneven application of laws that oppress blacks. Drugs and cigarettes being pushed into black neighborhoods. etc etc. Ironically, if black people hadn't made the American economy the strongest in the world, many of them would probably have migrated to England or whatever other economy was dominant.

You sure like to talk s--t about other countries, but when it comes to your own, it's all excuses, excuses, excuses. Pathetic.

What is "my own" you fkn goon?

Learn grammar.

other countries <-- your own

And which is "my own"? You made an accusation but your English is terrible; so I'd just like a one or two word response so I know how to answer. Even that stupid arrow makes no sense.

If you don't understand English, fair enough. Best wishes.

[Anonymous]

"Democracy is overrated - China won"

Okay, champ. Congratulations.

[Anonymous]

I have had similar thoughts. I keep thinking if we are heading in the way of dictatorship and state surveillance anyways, maybe I should be in China. The US is following suit in everything bad about China but has none of the many goods that China offers, namely, an efficient working government that gets sh*t done. Things in China just...work. it doesn't take months to fix a pothole. Doesn't take years of debate and changed policy to build train tracks. On a personal level, it is more convenient too. Don't need to fill out a gazillion paperwork's every doctor you see (because you ID card already has all the info). We are losing privacy and freedom anyways but I don't see what convenience we are really gaining. American life just becomes harder and more complicated. If I have to lose freedom anyways, at least give me convenience and ease of living.

I am a second generation Chinese American. I have never considered a future in China until recently. In my mind currently, it really is a toss up which country would be better to live in in 10 years. For my selfish reasons, I hope if China triumphs they will welcome the diaspora back in, kind of like Italy and ireland.

[Anonymous]

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"Democracy is overrated - China won"

Okay, champ. Congratulations.

Democracy is over - republicans won.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have had similar thoughts. I keep thinking if we are heading in the way of dictatorship and state surveillance anyways, maybe I should be in China. The US is following suit in everything bad about China but has none of the many goods that China offers, namely, an efficient working government that gets sh*t done. Things in China just...work. it doesn't take months to fix a pothole. Doesn't take years of debate and changed policy to build train tracks. On a personal level, it is more convenient too. Don't need to fill out a gazillion paperwork's every doctor you see (because you ID card already has all the info). We are losing privacy and freedom anyways but I don't see what convenience we are really gaining. American life just becomes harder and more complicated. If I have to lose freedom anyways, at least give me convenience and ease of living.

I am a second generation Chinese American. I have never considered a future in China until recently. In my mind currently, it really is a toss up which country would be better to live in in 10 years. For my selfish reasons, I hope if China triumphs they will welcome the diaspora back in, kind of like Italy and ireland.

PP said that this is all there is, anyway -- people returning to China. Shouldn't be a problem. Best of luck with it.

[Anonymous]

What most people refuse to recognize is this is not the China of 20 years ago. They have a huge domestic market now.

It is sort of like the US at the turn of the century. There is more than enough consumers in China to support their domestic companies. China is at the point where they do not need the US and there is little the US can do about it.

Look at the world new car market. China’s new car market is 40% of the world’s new car market and has over 350 domestic firms account 68% of the sale in 2025.

The US new car market is 18% and US car manufacturers account for 30% of sales. US car manufacturers are basically an afterthought outside the US.

[Anonymous]

I will say China for all its faults has changed the world with solar power, electrifying the economy and EVs.

Many experts are predicting almost limitless, cheap electric and oil demand falling. Overall this good for the world allowing countries to secure their domestic energy supplies.

US should embrace this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:China's nominal GDP per capita in 2024 was $13,300.

Do you enjoy being poor, OP?

So stupid. Their cars, roads, and taxi, bus, train, and plane infrastructure is way better. I was there in the late 90s and in 30 years they have literally transformed dozens of cities way more populated and advanced than American ones. They have a surplus of educated citizens so they have to export them to the rest of the world. These people literally become a global network of trade and services. They've learned from the Japanese and Korean economic policies. As seen in other Asian economic miracles, democracy will come later.

Their people flee their country and don't want to go back to live there. How very strange -- you'd think it would be the opposite, given that the homeland is a paragon of virtues.

Where exactly are your stats on that? You sound racist. The poor people come here to work and live just like 150 other countries in the world. But so many educated Chinese on student visas go back to China. I hope you're not confusing with the Taiwan(#1)ese or Hong Kongers.

Asians will dominate the future world because they are more hard working, their citizens are smarter, and the governments plan ahead better. In several Asian countries, entirely new cities have been created almost overnight because there was a need for them. How many brand new cities have been created in America in the past 100 years?


China offers more support to returning overseas students as influx grows
https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3336586/china-offers-more-support-returning-overseas-students-influx-grows

China has launched a national-level service platform to help returning overseas students find work and start businesses, as the country steps up its efforts to attract talent and the number of returnees surges.

The Ministry of Education has partnered with 50 organisations to provide returnees with entrepreneurial mentors and match them directly with local government and corporate needs.

Talk about propaganda. —DP

“ The number of people from China seeking asylum worldwide has risen sharply in the past decade, according to the U.N.”
https://projects.voanews.com/china-exodus/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Office%20of%20the%20United,*%20**Canada's%20Prince%20Edward%20Island**%20*%20**Ecuador**

“In 2023, more than 37,000 Chinese immigrants were detained for attempting to enter the United States illegally, more than the past 10 years combined.”
https://uscnpm.org/analysis/chinese-immigration-to-the-united-states-past-present-and-future/#:~:text=Chinese%2520citizens%2520struggling%2520to%2520find,things%2520are%2520going%2520in%2520China.%E2%80%9D

There’s a lot more data out there for your edification.

The Chinese population is a billion. You're talking about thousands. And those are specific populations. Economic growth doesn't come without sacrifices and uneven growth. Show me an example where that wasn't true. Your examples and your fake horror are ridiculous. White people still haven't given blacks complete freedom in America. We're not even talking about the 250 years of free labor (along with the 75 years of de facto very cheap labor) that built the American economy. This is 2026. There are still: Economic policies that oppress blacks. Education policies that oppress blacks. Uneven application of laws that oppress blacks. Drugs and cigarettes being pushed into black neighborhoods. etc etc. Ironically, if black people hadn't made the American economy the strongest in the world, many of them would probably have migrated to England or whatever other economy was dominant.

LOL. Spoken like a true MAGA. Like China isn't doing the same. You can't even get citizenship if you're born to double Han parents. Poor students in rural communities aren't allowed to study in Beijing. There isn't even a whiff of a Chinese dream there.

China's shit smells as bad as the US's, and was definitely worse pre-Trump 2.0.

MAGA? You're fkn ingorant. There's only one way for a country to succeed in a world that is deliberately constrained by protectionist organizations like the G7, OECD, IMF, and WTO. Think of all the successful non-European post-WWII economies. If you don't understand then read some about how they got there.

And about this dogging on countries that are trying to catch up, you can't rape and pillage for 100s of years, destroy the environment, and use up all the easy to acquire natural resources and then demand that the developing countries that you destroyed can't do what you did in order to grow and succeed. Shouldn't they get the gift of 500 years of imperialism as well?

No one's defending China's human rights or anything else. But you can't impose that other countries shouldn't have the benefit of 500 years of world wars and all the other bullshit that made certain economies great. You can only hope that through diplomacy and concessions, they will mostly play nice.

Why is the economy more important than human rights, than democracy? Again, you're sounding like a broligarch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I will say China for all its faults has changed the world with solar power, electrifying the economy and EVs.

Many experts are predicting almost limitless, cheap electric and oil demand falling. Overall this good for the world allowing countries to secure their domestic energy supplies.

US should embrace this.

LOL. The US (ergo, Trump) gave China the solar power industry on a silver platter because he's a total inept businessman. However, in recent decades, China has mostly been a copier of invention rather than an inventor in its sown right, so we'll see what happens. Maybe PP is correct that all the Chinese brain talent will return.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What most people refuse to recognize is this is not the China of 20 years ago. They have a huge domestic market now.

It is sort of like the US at the turn of the century. There is more than enough consumers in China to support their domestic companies. China is at the point where they do not need the US and there is little the US can do about it.

Look at the world new car market. China’s new car market is 40% of the world’s new car market and has over 350 domestic firms account 68% of the sale in 2025.

The US new car market is 18% and US car manufacturers account for 30% of sales. US car manufacturers are basically an afterthought outside the US.

Okay. Hip hip hooray Bully for China, yay, go team?

[Anonymous]

How are we a democracy?

The wealthiest men determine who our representatives in government are and what policies they create. They don’t even pay taxes. The common man, serf, peasant, pawns, whatever-you-want-to-call-us does.

We are living in an oligarchy.

We are not a democracy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I will say China for all its faults has changed the world with solar power, electrifying the economy and EVs.

Many experts are predicting almost limitless, cheap electric and oil demand falling. Overall this good for the world allowing countries to secure their domestic energy supplies.

US should embrace this.

LOL. The US (ergo, Trump) gave China the solar power industry on a silver platter because he's a total inept businessman. However, in recent decades, China has mostly been a copier of invention rather than an inventor in its sown right, so we'll see what happens. Maybe PP is correct that all the Chinese brain talent will return.

You are working under false assumption. The Chinese have moved beyond “copying” and now are industrial leads in many fields. The battery, EV, drones and electrification revolution that is going on in China is the equivalent to the moon landings in term of spin off technology. There are a lot of articles about hedge funds visiting China and immediately pulling all their investments out of certain segments of the market. They came to the conclusion the Chinese are just too far ahead of anything in the west.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What most people refuse to recognize is this is not the China of 20 years ago. They have a huge domestic market now.

It is sort of like the US at the turn of the century. There is more than enough consumers in China to support their domestic companies. China is at the point where they do not need the US and there is little the US can do about it.

Look at the world new car market. China’s new car market is 40% of the world’s new car market and has over 350 domestic firms account 68% of the sale in 2025.

The US new car market is 18% and US car manufacturers account for 30% of sales. US car manufacturers are basically an afterthought outside the US.

Okay. Hip hip hooray Bully for China, yay, go team?

The interesting thing is they are doing it without venture capitalism. This means they can employ more engineers, developers and designers because there is a lot less debt and the money is not taken by the private equity firms. They would arrest and put people on trial if a firm did what American Industrial Partners(PE firm) did.

Summary from AI
“ Private equity firm American Industrial Partners (AIP) is facing lawsuits and congressional scrutiny for allegedly driving up fire truck prices and causing massive delivery delays. The firm created the REV Group, which, along with other manufacturers, is accused of controlling up to 80% of the market, doubling prices to over $1 million for pumpers and $2 million for ladders”

Wonder how many people died because of this.