Democracy is overrated - China won

[Anonymous]

I’m sticking a fork in western democracy as it is presently practiced.

Regardless of the system - parliamentary, presidential, etc - it is unfit for purpose.

At the local level, our inability to build the housing and infrastructure needed is reflective of democracy.

At the state and national level, democracy keeps giving us rubes and charlatans who drop the ball on healthcare, foreign affairs.

I recently spent 2 months in Asia. While Japan and Korea have democracy it isn’t like ours. And China…I’m sorry, but China is amazing. I don’t particularly care for Chinese people or culture, but their vision of governance and the state as a shepherd of a civilization is impressive.

Everything works in China pretty much.

Xi cares about the Chinese civilization in a fundemental way our leaders don’t care about America.

Honestly, if Jensen Huang was given dictatorial powers, we’d be better off.

Korea and Japan have some issues around work culture but things are pretty amazing there as well.

Instead of saber rattling and antagonizing China, we should be looking to build bridges and gain real understanding of their success. You don’t see China doing Israel’s bidding. They think in centuries, while we think about the 24 hr news cycle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m sticking a fork in western democracy as it is presently practiced.

Regardless of the system - parliamentary, presidential, etc - it is unfit for purpose.

At the local level, our inability to build the housing and infrastructure needed is reflective of democracy.

At the state and national level, democracy keeps giving us rubes and charlatans who drop the ball on healthcare, foreign affairs.

I recently spent 2 months in Asia. While Japan and Korea have democracy it isn’t like ours. And China…I’m sorry, but China is amazing. I don’t particularly care for Chinese people or culture, but their vision of governance and the state as a shepherd of a civilization is impressive.

Everything works in China pretty much.

Xi cares about the Chinese civilization in a fundemental way our leaders don’t care about America.

Honestly, if Jensen Huang was given dictatorial powers, we’d be better off.

Korea and Japan have some issues around work culture but things are pretty amazing there as well.

Instead of saber rattling and antagonizing China, we should be looking to build bridges and gain real understanding of their success. You don’t see China doing Israel’s bidding. They think in centuries, while we think about the 24 hr news cycle.

What do you mean by the bolder? What kind of democracy do they have?

[Anonymous]

Japan essentially is a Uni party democracy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m sticking a fork in western democracy as it is presently practiced.

Regardless of the system - parliamentary, presidential, etc - it is unfit for purpose.

At the local level, our inability to build the housing and infrastructure needed is reflective of democracy.

At the state and national level, democracy keeps giving us rubes and charlatans who drop the ball on healthcare, foreign affairs.

I recently spent 2 months in Asia. While Japan and Korea have democracy it isn’t like ours. And China…I’m sorry, but China is amazing. I don’t particularly care for Chinese people or culture, but their vision of governance and the state as a shepherd of a civilization is impressive.

Everything works in China pretty much.

Xi cares about the Chinese civilization in a fundemental way our leaders don’t care about America.

Honestly, if Jensen Huang was given dictatorial powers, we’d be better off.

Korea and Japan have some issues around work culture but things are pretty amazing there as well.

Instead of saber rattling and antagonizing China, we should be looking to build bridges and gain real understanding of their success. You don’t see China doing Israel’s bidding. They think in centuries, while we think about the 24 hr news cycle.

You can't separate their culture and their approach to government. The recent gains to quality of life are economic only. They are not matched by gains in the quality of spiritual, psychological, athletic, creative, etc etc aspects of life.

[Anonymous]

Thanks to Trump and his supporters, China has won.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thanks to Trump and his supporters, China has won.

This!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m sticking a fork in western democracy as it is presently practiced.

Regardless of the system - parliamentary, presidential, etc - it is unfit for purpose.

At the local level, our inability to build the housing and infrastructure needed is reflective of democracy.

At the state and national level, democracy keeps giving us rubes and charlatans who drop the ball on healthcare, foreign affairs.

I recently spent 2 months in Asia. While Japan and Korea have democracy it isn’t like ours. And China…I’m sorry, but China is amazing. I don’t particularly care for Chinese people or culture, but their vision of governance and the state as a shepherd of a civilization is impressive.

Everything works in China pretty much.

Xi cares about the Chinese civilization in a fundemental way our leaders don’t care about America.

Honestly, if Jensen Huang was given dictatorial powers, we’d be better off.

Korea and Japan have some issues around work culture but things are pretty amazing there as well.

Instead of saber rattling and antagonizing China, we should be looking to build bridges and gain real understanding of their success. You don’t see China doing Israel’s bidding. They think in centuries, while we think about the 24 hr news cycle.

You can't separate their culture and their approach to government. The recent gains to quality of life are economic only. They are not matched by gains in the quality of spiritual, psychological, athletic, creative, etc etc aspects of life.

I don’t get this spiritual or creative quality of life comment at all. These are very subjective things that have no actual impact on your day to day life. They don’t impact life expectancy, air quality, economic development or anything that actually matters.

[Anonymous]

Well democracy is a very weak governance system from a purely analytical and practical perspective. Thats not the same as saying it's wonderful and a very noble system.

Democracy only works within a set of specific parameters. Otherwise, see our current situation

China is a wonderful country and Asia as a whole culturally is wonderful but so different than Western ways. It's not that one is better than the other but they differ.

On the whole, what modern China has done is they've taken the "best" of what a democratic society can be ideally and combined it with a structured government approach that oversees its progress. For many Americans this is not freedom but from a logical and pragmatic perspective, it's the most realistic and intelligent path to move forward. Democracy is a double edged sword like freedom - there is no freedom that liberates and unless it can be enjoyed. Americans put freedom on a pedestal as a principal but freedom is never free.

[Anonymous]

American democracy was originally designed to allow individuals and local communities to chart their own course. This made perfect sense in an 18th century agrarian society where most of your needs could be met through local enterprise.

But American democracy is poorly suited to the 21st century. Everyone pulling in a different direction under the guise of "freedom" is simply chaos. Now we are constantly at war with each other - urban vs. rural, black vs. white, immigrant vs. native, north vs. south.

I don't know that China has the perfect system. But the fact that there is a vision for national greatness, and a political system that allows infrastructure to be built and problems to be solved, seems like an improvement on America.

[Anonymous]

Not surprising that people on this board prefer communism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not surprising that people on this board prefer communism.

Explain that to us and why it actually matters vis-a-vis America. Use bullet points and small words since many of us here dont obviously don't have advanced degrees or anything. This isnt the 1980s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not surprising that people on this board prefer communism.

Trumpism is socialism.

[Anonymous]

You are actually talking about the effect of capitalism being allowed to interfere with democracy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m sticking a fork in western democracy as it is presently practiced.

Regardless of the system - parliamentary, presidential, etc - it is unfit for purpose.

At the local level, our inability to build the housing and infrastructure needed is reflective of democracy.

At the state and national level, democracy keeps giving us rubes and charlatans who drop the ball on healthcare, foreign affairs.

I recently spent 2 months in Asia. While Japan and Korea have democracy it isn’t like ours. And China…I’m sorry, but China is amazing. I don’t particularly care for Chinese people or culture, but their vision of governance and the state as a shepherd of a civilization is impressive.

Everything works in China pretty much.

Xi cares about the Chinese civilization in a fundemental way our leaders don’t care about America.

Honestly, if Jensen Huang was given dictatorial powers, we’d be better off.

Korea and Japan have some issues around work culture but things are pretty amazing there as well.

Instead of saber rattling and antagonizing China, we should be looking to build bridges and gain real understanding of their success. You don’t see China doing Israel’s bidding. They think in centuries, while we think about the 24 hr news cycle.

Your entire premise is wrong. A democracy is when elected officials represent the people who elected them. With 98% of our officials being bought out by Israel, that's not a democracy

[Anonymous]

OP goes somewhere as an outsider and comes back to proclaim how great everything is and how terrible and repugnant live is in the US. As if we haven’t seen this tourist evaluation 10,000 times before.

Meanwhile, if OP asked an average Japanese salaryman or the same in china what life is like, they would find out very fast how much it sucks ass. Remember how both countries handled COVID? Of course not.

You are welcome to leave at any time. Good luck emigrating.