Harvard--What happens now?

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The administration can just refuse visas to new students.

Except a federal judge just ordered them not to do that.

No I have been researching. The Judge (I read the TRO) said Harvard can't be banned from the program but it does not stop DHS from not approving the student's visas. That is a power of the Federal Government and there are cases out there where they stopped issuing visas for all kinds of reasons. Any excuse would work.

Those students would have little to no case and Harvard can't sue on their behalf because they don't have standing to do so; the students would need to sue. And they don't have the resources to do so and they would lose anyways.

International students should not come to the US for the near future and I think this will discourage them from doing so.

No this would violate the ruling. Trump can’t ban Harvard. If he tries to simply issue no visas specifically for Harvard students he is in effect banning Harvard.

It’s not likely that he’ll stop with Harvard — he just wants Trump Beat Harvard to get attention. He can just stop issuing Student Visas altogether — or reserve them for white South Africans.

It is so stupid. I know many parents with children pursuing higher education and graduate school that voted for Trump.

Who cares if he does damage to to our institutions and system of higher education as long as he owns some libs!

Totally worth it even if it hurts my own child.

My dd goes to a girls private school w tons of Dem voting families and nearly every girl is ecstatic at the thought of spots opening up at top colleges bc intl kids either can’t or won’t attend. They are HS juniors.

They don't realize that the next step will be to say that H has too many women students and so on. Why should it stop with just the international students?

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Blueprint: Handmaid’s Tale

+100 any idiot gloating and cheering this on does not realize it’s coming to them soon…

Unless you are an oligarch, tech billionaire…your time is coming. Take the blinders off. They don’t have your best interests in mind.

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It’s strange. First Larla wasn’t getting in because of URMs. Then in was because of Asian Americans. Now it’s internationals. And that’s just this decade.

When it be Larla isn’t getting in because of athletes and legacies? Or are they too wealthy and white to blame?

When will it be Larla isn’t getting in because she just isn’t the best? Because that’s the actual answer.

But sure blame URMs, then Asian Americans, then internationals, then (maybe) athletes and legacies, rather than looking at yourself and your expectations for your kids. Because kids don’t decide that they will fail at life if they don’t get into 15 out of the 3000 colleges. That happens because of Mom and Dad.

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Harvard will not lower its standards to let in unqualified magas. They should raise their standards and get rid of DEI hires the likes of Vance.

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Anonymous wrote:China becomes the dominant world power in education.

Impossible because they won't be at one of the very top colleges in the world.

LOL. The WSJ opinion board disagrees with you. It says it’s a message that America no longer cares about top talent. It also said most of our AI programs are filled with international students who stay and create companies here.

You don’t think China will dangle $1M to the top scientists and researchers at Harvard and elsewhere? Dumb, dumb, dumb.

What makes a top intl college? Surely not one who arrests students, dismantles federal agencies aiding academic research, censorship, and on..

Lol. I love when people support their opinions with hypothetical far fetched fantasies. Move along...

The only thing hypothetical here is the amount China is willing to offer. Of course, you brushed it off without offering why the US has attracted international students. You can’t have it both ways, being an international powerhouse but decrying “America First and only.”

Be prepared for others to pick up the slack.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard will not lower its standards to let in unqualified magas. They should raise their standards and get rid of DEI hires the likes of Vance.

Why would magas want to go to Harvard? They want to destroy Harvard, not go there.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard will not lower its standards to let in unqualified magas. They should raise their standards and get rid of DEI hires the likes of Vance.

Uh, Peter Navarro is a Harvard man and probably the most moronic MAGA person out there. Ron DeSantis went to Harvard. So did Ted Cruz for law school. As did Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas. Stefanik also went to Harvard. RFK jr went to Harvard - if you wonder where his brilliancy in science came from, it's Harvard. There's a lot of MAGA that went to Harvard. And look at the members of the Federalist Society. A lot of Trump judges are Harvard.

Harvard is a very comfortable place for conservatives and always has been.

But Harvard has bigger problems. The number of applicants has been declining for years. Penn, Cornell, Columbia and many others get more applicants - not to mention BU across the river, which gets almost 3x the number of applicants as Harvard.

Even before the troubles with the Trump administration, Harvard undergrad lost the plot. It's not nearly as appealing for younger people as older people seem to assume.

No doubt Harvard will play out the clock for the next three and a half years. And they'll get a nice reputational boost for being confrontational and fighting back against clear government overreach - unlike most of Big Law and the pathetic Harvard losers that work there.

Regardless of your side, Harvard has not been distinguishing itself in recent years. It is very much a school in decline - from undergrad to the Kennedy School. Their administration has made some poor choices in recent years. And their graduates reflect that.

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All good things must come to an end. The hero of maga detests Harvard so so probably best to get on that bandwagon.

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Is this true? Saw on X. Makes sense.


“I think I've figured it out. @Harvard never disciplined certain foreign students who harassed and assaulted Jews on campus. They didn't suspend them, so that they wouldn't lose their F-1 visa status. That's what they're "hiding" from DHS. Harvard keeps saying they provided all records, which is not entirely false -- because there is no disciplinary record for students who were not disciplined. They aren't failing to produce disciplinary records. The disciplinary records don't exist. DHS is looking for disciplinary records that should exist, but don't.

Harvard won't explicitly say that they didn't discipline them, because the moment they say that, the Trump administration can issue a finding, on that basis alone, that Harvard violated Title VI by failing to discipline them. And then Harvard has to either agree to a "voluntary" resolution agreement with the federal government (the Office for Civil Rights in either the Department of Education or the Department of Health and Human Services), or be issued an involuntary resolution agreement on terms that it doesn't decide, or begin losing its federal funding -- in a manner that cannot easily be challenged in a suit alleging violations of the Administrative Procedures Act (because the procedures will have been followed).

Harvard doesn't want to admit that they didn't discipline foreign students. And it's too late to discipline them now, because if they do so now, it will be clear that they only disciplined them after DHS started asking questions.”


If so WTF Harvard. Why not just do a simple disciplinary proceeding - that would not have been hard.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard will not lower its standards to let in unqualified magas. They should raise their standards and get rid of DEI hires the likes of Vance.

Why would magas want to go to Harvard? They want to destroy Harvard, not go there.

Secretly they all want to go. Many R politicians send their kids to Harvard. They think removing international students would open up spots for their children. Baron applied but got rejected. Had Trump’s kid got in, he would constantly remind us about that.

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The administration can just refuse visas to new students.

Except a federal judge just ordered them not to do that.

No I have been researching. The Judge (I read the TRO) said Harvard can't be banned from the program but it does not stop DHS from not approving the student's visas. That is a power of the Federal Government and there are cases out there where they stopped issuing visas for all kinds of reasons. Any excuse would work.

Those students would have little to no case and Harvard can't sue on their behalf because they don't have standing to do so; the students would need to sue. And they don't have the resources to do so and they would lose anyways.

International students should not come to the US for the near future and I think this will discourage them from doing so.

No this would violate the ruling. Trump can’t ban Harvard. If he tries to simply issue no visas specifically for Harvard students he is in effect banning Harvard.

Pfft, that's the spirit of the ruling but there is a guy el salvador that would be in maryland if this administration observed the spirit of supreme court rulings never mind district court rulings.

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The administration can just refuse visas to new students.

Except a federal judge just ordered them not to do that.

No I have been researching. The Judge (I read the TRO) said Harvard can't be banned from the program but it does not stop DHS from not approving the student's visas. That is a power of the Federal Government and there are cases out there where they stopped issuing visas for all kinds of reasons. Any excuse would work.

Those students would have little to no case and Harvard can't sue on their behalf because they don't have standing to do so; the students would need to sue. And they don't have the resources to do so and they would lose anyways.

International students should not come to the US for the near future and I think this will discourage them from doing so.

No this would violate the ruling. Trump can’t ban Harvard. If he tries to simply issue no visas specifically for Harvard students he is in effect banning Harvard.

It’s not likely that he’ll stop with Harvard — he just wants Trump Beat Harvard to get attention. He can just stop issuing Student Visas altogether — or reserve them for white South Africans.

It is so stupid. I know many parents with children pursuing higher education and graduate school that voted for Trump.

Who cares if he does damage to to our institutions and system of higher education as long as he owns some libs!

Totally worth it even if it hurts my own child.

These libs but be really horrible people if it drove almost half the country to this!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If Trump isn't stopped, we have Hitler, Mussolini, or Orban. Make up your mind America.

Probably the emperor from star wars or maybe Sauron

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Anonymous wrote:If Trump isn't stopped, we have Hitler, Mussolini, or Orban. Make up your mind America.

Lol I love this level of hysteria.

We fcked ourselves. We can certainly unfck ourselves.

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Anonymous wrote:Could someone please answer OP's veiled question "now that international students may not attend Harvard, will Larla get off the waitlist?"

No one knows the answer just yet. We do not know whether Harvard incoming undergrads will get their visas.

There are only about 250, so even if they were to all be deferred until next year, at most, Harvard would probably take three hundred off its waitlist, considering its high yield, which is not going to move the needle much spread out across other schools' waitlists.

Seems likely that Harvard will make a deal with the administration soon enough for visa processing, soon being within a week.

Except those 300+ will likely make the waitlist move further at school’s a tier down.
Like Duke, Penn, Northwestern, JHU, UChicago, Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown.
So all of those schools will be moving to weightless throughout the summer. It’s just a trickle down effect.

To go from admitting 20 from your regular waitlist to now admitting 10-15 times that many does absolutely make a difference to the rest of the admissions landscape when you sit at the top.

Well that's a question of how many tiers there are. I don't think it trickles down more than 4 or 5 tiers before you get to the point where nobody really cares about the waitlist anymore. So maybe it affects 1000 to 1500 students

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The administration can just refuse visas to new students.

Except a federal judge just ordered them not to do that.

No I have been researching. The Judge (I read the TRO) said Harvard can't be banned from the program but it does not stop DHS from not approving the student's visas. That is a power of the Federal Government and there are cases out there where they stopped issuing visas for all kinds of reasons. Any excuse would work.

Those students would have little to no case and Harvard can't sue on their behalf because they don't have standing to do so; the students would need to sue. And they don't have the resources to do so and they would lose anyways.

International students should not come to the US for the near future and I think this will discourage them from doing so.

No this would violate the ruling. Trump can’t ban Harvard. If he tries to simply issue no visas specifically for Harvard students he is in effect banning Harvard.

It’s not likely that he’ll stop with Harvard — he just wants Trump Beat Harvard to get attention. He can just stop issuing Student Visas altogether — or reserve them for white South Africans.

It is so stupid. I know many parents with children pursuing higher education and graduate school that voted for Trump.

Who cares if he does damage to to our institutions and system of higher education as long as he owns some libs!

Totally worth it even if it hurts my own child.

My dd goes to a girls private school w tons of Dem voting families and nearly every girl is ecstatic at the thought of spots opening up at top colleges bc intl kids either can’t or won’t attend. They are HS juniors.

Why. Why do they want to go to Harvard of all places? This is a place that strongly values international students, scientific research, science and many other things that Trump is against. What are they going to do at Harvard and why?

They weren’t talking abt Harvard specifically. There are intl kids at all top schools. They generally take up 8-10% of spots.

They have a scarcity mindset. Can you believe people like pp wouldn’t correct her daughter? Trump and the GOP are so slick. They’ll have you blaming everyone else for your problems, which were created but Trump and the GOP. Americans are selfish, shortsighted suckers. Sad.

There is literally a limited number of seats at those schools. Those girls aren't blaming international students for their inability to compete with international students. They are just stoked that their prospects have iomproved without much thought to the poor fortune of the international students. I don't think they wish them ill but they are happy that their prospects have improved.