Harvard--What happens now?

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Anonymous wrote:International students a threat to national security and should not be admitted to any US college or university.

Excluding international students from our colleges and universities is a threat to national security.

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Anonymous wrote:International students a threat to national security and should not be admitted to any US college or university.

That's what they used to say about women.

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Anonymous wrote:International students a threat to national security and should not be admitted to any US college or university.

That's what they used to say about women.

Why do think there HCBUs came into existence? They had to have somewhere for “them” to go. A PP mentioned Hitler and Mussolini, and we aren’t far off IMO.

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The administration can just refuse visas to new students.

Except a federal judge just ordered them not to do that.

Except judges ordering this administration to do or not do something hasn’t changed any of what they do anyway.

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Could someone please answer OP's veiled question "now that international students may not attend Harvard, will Larla get off the waitlist?"

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Anonymous wrote:Could someone please answer OP's veiled question "now that international students may not attend Harvard, will Larla get off the waitlist?"

No one knows the answer just yet. We do not know whether Harvard incoming undergrads will get their visas.

There are only about 250, so even if they were to all be deferred until next year, at most, Harvard would probably take three hundred off its waitlist, considering its high yield, which is not going to move the needle much spread out across other schools' waitlists.

Seems likely that Harvard will make a deal with the administration soon enough for visa processing, soon being within a week.

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The administration can just refuse visas to new students.

Except a federal judge just ordered them not to do that.

No I have been researching. The Judge (I read the TRO) said Harvard can't be banned from the program but it does not stop DHS from not approving the student's visas. That is a power of the Federal Government and there are cases out there where they stopped issuing visas for all kinds of reasons. Any excuse would work.

Those students would have little to no case and Harvard can't sue on their behalf because they don't have standing to do so; the students would need to sue. And they don't have the resources to do so and they would lose anyways.

International students should not come to the US for the near future and I think this will discourage them from doing so.

No this would violate the ruling. Trump can’t ban Harvard. If he tries to simply issue no visas specifically for Harvard students he is in effect banning Harvard.

It’s not likely that he’ll stop with Harvard — he just wants Trump Beat Harvard to get attention. He can just stop issuing Student Visas altogether — or reserve them for white South Africans.

It is so stupid. I know many parents with children pursuing higher education and graduate school that voted for Trump.

Who cares if he does damage to to our institutions and system of higher education as long as he owns some libs!

Totally worth it even if it hurts my own child.

My dd goes to a girls private school w tons of Dem voting families and nearly every girl is ecstatic at the thought of spots opening up at top colleges bc intl kids either can’t or won’t attend. They are HS juniors.

Why. Why do they want to go to Harvard of all places? This is a place that strongly values international students, scientific research, science and many other things that Trump is against. What are they going to do at Harvard and why?

They weren’t talking abt Harvard specifically. There are intl kids at all top schools. They generally take up 8-10% of spots.

Same difference. If the character of these institutions is going to fundamentally change, why do they want to go there?

Meaning the character of the schools will go back to being what is was in the mid to late 20th century, before the massive influx of intls.

I think most American kids would love that.

This is exactly Make America Great Again.

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The administration can just refuse visas to new students.

Except a federal judge just ordered them not to do that.

No I have been researching. The Judge (I read the TRO) said Harvard can't be banned from the program but it does not stop DHS from not approving the student's visas. That is a power of the Federal Government and there are cases out there where they stopped issuing visas for all kinds of reasons. Any excuse would work.

Those students would have little to no case and Harvard can't sue on their behalf because they don't have standing to do so; the students would need to sue. And they don't have the resources to do so and they would lose anyways.

International students should not come to the US for the near future and I think this will discourage them from doing so.

No this would violate the ruling. Trump can’t ban Harvard. If he tries to simply issue no visas specifically for Harvard students he is in effect banning Harvard.

It’s not likely that he’ll stop with Harvard — he just wants Trump Beat Harvard to get attention. He can just stop issuing Student Visas altogether — or reserve them for white South Africans.

It is so stupid. I know many parents with children pursuing higher education and graduate school that voted for Trump.

Who cares if he does damage to to our institutions and system of higher education as long as he owns some libs!

Totally worth it even if it hurts my own child.

My dd goes to a girls private school w tons of Dem voting families and nearly every girl is ecstatic at the thought of spots opening up at top colleges bc intl kids either can’t or won’t attend. They are HS juniors.

Why. Why do they want to go to Harvard of all places? This is a place that strongly values international students, scientific research, science and many other things that Trump is against. What are they going to do at Harvard and why?

They weren’t talking abt Harvard specifically. There are intl kids at all top schools. They generally take up 8-10% of spots.

Same difference. If the character of these institutions is going to fundamentally change, why do they want to go there?

Meaning the character of the schools will go back to being what is was in the mid to late 20th century, before the massive influx of intls.

I think most American kids would love that.

This is exactly Make America Great Again.

I think it is just making us dumber…but that’s me. Either way, the “mastermind” behind it is in his 80’s and will be gone soon enough. Harvard will be around a lot longer than DJT, MTG, MAGA, and their enablers.

[Anonymous]

Trump is not winning. This is all fury which will amount to zero action. Courts backing Harvard.

2) business as usual

[Anonymous]

International students shouldn't make up more than 10% of the student body. Otherwise, the schools should lose their tax exempt status. There are plenty of full-pay, qualified, American students who can fill the spots.

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Anonymous wrote:International students shouldn't make up more than 10% of the student body. Otherwise, the schools should lose their tax exempt status. There are plenty of full-pay, qualified, American students who can fill the spots.

Thank you, couldn’t agree more.

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Anonymous wrote:If you think at the end of the day Harvard will lose 25% of its students, you are not paying attention to how Trump operates.

He wants to destroy Harvard. As soon as Americans let him do so, he will start his program to destroy every other university. He will then open universities for profit that he controls.

Stay silent at your own peril.

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Anonymous wrote:China becomes the dominant world power in education.

Impossible because they won't be at one of the very top colleges in the world.

LOL. The WSJ opinion board disagrees with you. It says it’s a message that America no longer cares about top talent. It also said most of our AI programs are filled with international students who stay and create companies here.

You don’t think China will dangle $1M to the top scientists and researchers at Harvard and elsewhere? Dumb, dumb, dumb.

What makes a top intl college? Surely not one who arrests students, dismantles federal agencies aiding academic research, censorship, and on..

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Anonymous wrote:Could someone please answer OP's veiled question "now that international students may not attend Harvard, will Larla get off the waitlist?"

No one knows the answer just yet. We do not know whether Harvard incoming undergrads will get their visas.

There are only about 250, so even if they were to all be deferred until next year, at most, Harvard would probably take three hundred off its waitlist, considering its high yield, which is not going to move the needle much spread out across other schools' waitlists.

Seems likely that Harvard will make a deal with the administration soon enough for visa processing, soon being within a week.

Except those 300+ will likely make the waitlist move further at school’s a tier down.
Like Duke, Penn, Northwestern, JHU, UChicago, Cornell, Dartmouth, Brown.
So all of those schools will be moving to weightless throughout the summer. It’s just a trickle down effect.

To go from admitting 20 from your regular waitlist to now admitting 10-15 times that many does absolutely make a difference to the rest of the admissions landscape when you sit at the top.

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Hard to believe that I’m describing the US ^^ but that’s where we are now.