Harvard--What happens now?

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Anonymous wrote:International students shouldn't make up more than 10% of the student body. Otherwise, the schools should lose their tax exempt status. There are plenty of full-pay, qualified, American students who can fill the spots.

Agree. That’s a sound normal number.

Should the Save the Children Fund that helps starving children almost exclusively in foreign countries ALSO lose their tax exempt status?

Or Doctors Without Borders

Do they have a $50,000,000,000 endowment?

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Anonymous wrote:Could someone please answer OP's veiled question "now that international students may not attend Harvard, will Larla get off the waitlist?"

If she is full pay, her chances may increase. If she needs financial assistance, nope. Harvard will need someone who can make up that cost difference.

How do they know if she is full pay? I thought they were need blind and don't have access to that data when making admissions decisions.

There are almost no secrets in the world, not even intelligence agencies’ top people can keep their mouths shut. Yet everybody believes college bureaucrats don’t share some info with colleagues who work across the hall?

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Anonymous wrote:International students shouldn't make up more than 10% of the student body. Otherwise, the schools should lose their tax exempt status. There are plenty of full-pay, qualified, American students who can fill the spots.

Isn’t the majority of the international students in the graduate stem and research programs that Americans are not pursuing.

That’s what they want you believe.

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They start looking for other sources for their operating revenue than the federal government.

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The administration can just refuse visas to new students.

Except a federal judge just ordered them not to do that.

No I have been researching. The Judge (I read the TRO) said Harvard can't be banned from the program but it does not stop DHS from not approving the student's visas. That is a power of the Federal Government and there are cases out there where they stopped issuing visas for all kinds of reasons. Any excuse would work.

Those students would have little to no case and Harvard can't sue on their behalf because they don't have standing to do so; the students would need to sue. And they don't have the resources to do so and they would lose anyways.

International students should not come to the US for the near future and I think this will discourage them from doing so.

No this would violate the ruling. Trump can’t ban Harvard. If he tries to simply issue no visas specifically for Harvard students he is in effect banning Harvard.

It is not a matter of "in effect". This is a way to effectuate his decision. I have talked to some of the best and brightest of the MAGA lawyers. This is the strategy the will follow...the ruling is not to remove Harvard from the program but please read my analysis--there is no standing for Harvard to defend those that get denied visas; it's another topic that is different--related but different.

There are no brilliant MAGA lawyers. At best they are two steps from disbarment. Harvard absolutely has standing now if Trump starts denying student visas specifically from Harvard. I get that MAGA loves to lie boldly with a giggle and will attempt to argue ‘oh gee little ole me! We didn’t deny all those Harvard students unfairly targeting Harvard and violating the prior ruling wink wink “ but this hasn’t been working in the courts.

Stop underestimating your opponents, this is why we keep losing.

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Anonymous wrote:Could someone please answer OP's veiled question "now that international students may not attend Harvard, will Larla get off the waitlist?"

If she is full pay, her chances may increase. If she needs financial assistance, nope. Harvard will need someone who can make up that cost difference.

How do they know if she is full pay? I thought they were need blind and don't have access to that data when making admissions decisions.

They can just stop offering financial aid other federal stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:China becomes the dominant world power in education.

China has been stealing our technology at my Division I college. An entire ring of Chinese students were arrested. Some had been in the US for many years stealing from us.

Then do something about the Chinese students, not everyone else.

The Chinese students aren't the ones that are harassing and assaulting jewish students.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this true? Saw on X. Makes sense.


“I think I've figured it out. @Harvard never disciplined certain foreign students who harassed and assaulted Jews on campus. They didn't suspend them, so that they wouldn't lose their F-1 visa status. That's what they're "hiding" from DHS. Harvard keeps saying they provided all records, which is not entirely false -- because there is no disciplinary record for students who were not disciplined. They aren't failing to produce disciplinary records. The disciplinary records don't exist. DHS is looking for disciplinary records that should exist, but don't.

Harvard won't explicitly say that they didn't discipline them, because the moment they say that, the Trump administration can issue a finding, on that basis alone, that Harvard violated Title VI by failing to discipline them. And then Harvard has to either agree to a "voluntary" resolution agreement with the federal government (the Office for Civil Rights in either the Department of Education or the Department of Health and Human Services), or be issued an involuntary resolution agreement on terms that it doesn't decide, or begin losing its federal funding -- in a manner that cannot easily be challenged in a suit alleging violations of the Administrative Procedures Act (because the procedures will have been followed).

Harvard doesn't want to admit that they didn't discipline foreign students. And it's too late to discipline them now, because if they do so now, it will be clear that they only disciplined them after DHS started asking questions.”


If so WTF Harvard. Why not just do a simple disciplinary proceeding - that would not have been hard.

And you believe the word of an anonymous on an anonymous social media as evidence. This country is indeed fu&&ked.

Which part of the factual statements do you think is untrue

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Anonymous wrote:International students shouldn't make up more than 10% of the student body. Otherwise, the schools should lose their tax exempt status. There are plenty of full-pay, qualified, American students who can fill the spots.

Agree. That’s a sound normal number.

Should the Save the Children Fund that helps starving children almost exclusively in foreign countries ALSO lose their tax exempt status?

Or Doctors Without Borders

Do they have a $50,000,000,000 endowment?

What does that have to do with their foreign mission?

The argument seemed to be that tax exempt organizations should not benefit foreigners.

You seem to be shifting the argument to tax exempt organizations should not be wealthy.

If you think harvard has a lot of money, wait until I tell you about the catholic church.