Harvard--What happens now?

[Anonymous]

With the federal judge's ruling enjoining DHS from stopping Harvard's enrollment of international students? How does this play out?

1. Slots increase because Internationals don't come anyway and they pull from the WL?

2. No impact? They enroll.

3. Back to yesterday's status as the Judge is overruled on appeal at the Circuit level?

[Anonymous]

No impact

[Anonymous]

China becomes the dominant world power in education.

[Anonymous]

hmm interesting. Trump Admin will just ignore the Judge and de-certify from the ability to have international students. The Judicial Branch has no enforcement powers other than holding the DHS secretary in contempt and arresting her.

I think incoming international students would likely not attend given the uncertainty, opening up slots off of the waitlist. I would guess half o the incoming international students won't attend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:hmm interesting. Trump Admin will just ignore the Judge and de-certify from the ability to have international students. The Judicial Branch has no enforcement powers other than holding the DHS secretary in contempt and arresting her.

I think incoming international students would likely not attend given the uncertainty, opening up slots off of the waitlist. I would guess half o the incoming international students won't attend.

The administration can just refuse visas to new students. There is enough precedent of students who secure admission at US universities and yet fail to get visas. So this would not violate any ruling. In such an event existing students in visas would be fine if they don't leave the counteu, if they do they may not be able to come back. All this of course can be avoided if Harvard just complies and releases information on the troublemakers.

[Anonymous]

The administration can just refuse visas to new students.

Except a federal judge just ordered them not to do that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The administration can just refuse visas to new students.

Except a federal judge just ordered them not to do that.

No I have been researching. The Judge (I read the TRO) said Harvard can't be banned from the program but it does not stop DHS from not approving the student's visas. That is a power of the Federal Government and there are cases out there where they stopped issuing visas for all kinds of reasons. Any excuse would work.

Those students would have little to no case and Harvard can't sue on their behalf because they don't have standing to do so; the students would need to sue. And they don't have the resources to do so and they would lose anyways.

International students should not come to the US for the near future and I think this will discourage them from doing so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The administration can just refuse visas to new students.

Except a federal judge just ordered them not to do that.

No I have been researching. The Judge (I read the TRO) said Harvard can't be banned from the program but it does not stop DHS from not approving the student's visas. That is a power of the Federal Government and there are cases out there where they stopped issuing visas for all kinds of reasons. Any excuse would work.

Those students would have little to no case and Harvard can't sue on their behalf because they don't have standing to do so; the students would need to sue. And they don't have the resources to do so and they would lose anyways.

International students should not come to the US for the near future and I think this will discourage them from doing so.

No this would violate the ruling. Trump can’t ban Harvard. If he tries to simply issue no visas specifically for Harvard students he is in effect banning Harvard.

[Anonymous]

If you think at the end of the day Harvard will lose 25% of its students, you are not paying attention to how Trump operates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you think at the end of the day Harvard will lose 25% of its students, you are not paying attention to how Trump operates.

At the undergrad level, we are talking about less than 200 students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:China becomes the dominant world power in education.

Impossible because they won't be at one of the very top colleges in the world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you think at the end of the day Harvard will lose 25% of its students, you are not paying attention to how Trump operates.

At the undergrad level, we are talking about less than 200 students.

My bad, actually it's 250.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The administration can just refuse visas to new students.

Except a federal judge just ordered them not to do that.

No I have been researching. The Judge (I read the TRO) said Harvard can't be banned from the program but it does not stop DHS from not approving the student's visas. That is a power of the Federal Government and there are cases out there where they stopped issuing visas for all kinds of reasons. Any excuse would work.

Those students would have little to no case and Harvard can't sue on their behalf because they don't have standing to do so; the students would need to sue. And they don't have the resources to do so and they would lose anyways.

International students should not come to the US for the near future and I think this will discourage them from doing so.

No this would violate the ruling. Trump can’t ban Harvard. If he tries to simply issue no visas specifically for Harvard students he is in effect banning Harvard.

It’s not likely that he’ll stop with Harvard — he just wants Trump Beat Harvard to get attention. He can just stop issuing Student Visas altogether — or reserve them for white South Africans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The administration can just refuse visas to new students.

Except a federal judge just ordered them not to do that.

No I have been researching. The Judge (I read the TRO) said Harvard can't be banned from the program but it does not stop DHS from not approving the student's visas. That is a power of the Federal Government and there are cases out there where they stopped issuing visas for all kinds of reasons. Any excuse would work.

Those students would have little to no case and Harvard can't sue on their behalf because they don't have standing to do so; the students would need to sue. And they don't have the resources to do so and they would lose anyways.

International students should not come to the US for the near future and I think this will discourage them from doing so.

No this would violate the ruling. Trump can’t ban Harvard. If he tries to simply issue no visas specifically for Harvard students he is in effect banning Harvard.

It’s not likely that he’ll stop with Harvard — he just wants Trump Beat Harvard to get attention. He can just stop issuing Student Visas altogether — or reserve them for white South Africans.

It is so stupid. I know many parents with children pursuing higher education and graduate school that voted for Trump.

Who cares if he does damage to to our institutions and system of higher education as long as he owns some libs!

Totally worth it even if it hurts my own child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The administration can just refuse visas to new students.

Except a federal judge just ordered them not to do that.

No I have been researching. The Judge (I read the TRO) said Harvard can't be banned from the program but it does not stop DHS from not approving the student's visas. That is a power of the Federal Government and there are cases out there where they stopped issuing visas for all kinds of reasons. Any excuse would work.

Those students would have little to no case and Harvard can't sue on their behalf because they don't have standing to do so; the students would need to sue. And they don't have the resources to do so and they would lose anyways.

International students should not come to the US for the near future and I think this will discourage them from doing so.

No this would violate the ruling. Trump can’t ban Harvard. If he tries to simply issue no visas specifically for Harvard students he is in effect banning Harvard.

It’s not likely that he’ll stop with Harvard — he just wants Trump Beat Harvard to get attention. He can just stop issuing Student Visas altogether — or reserve them for white South Africans.

This. Trump wouldn't ban visas for Harvard students only -- he'd just stop issuing student visas altogether. Then he'd say he's making more space for Americans at colleges, because why should foreign students take seats?