Harvard--What happens now?

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Anonymous wrote:Is this true? Saw on X. Makes sense.


“I think I've figured it out. @Harvard never disciplined certain foreign students who harassed and assaulted Jews on campus. They didn't suspend them, so that they wouldn't lose their F-1 visa status. That's what they're "hiding" from DHS. Harvard keeps saying they provided all records, which is not entirely false -- because there is no disciplinary record for students who were not disciplined. They aren't failing to produce disciplinary records. The disciplinary records don't exist. DHS is looking for disciplinary records that should exist, but don't.

Harvard won't explicitly say that they didn't discipline them, because the moment they say that, the Trump administration can issue a finding, on that basis alone, that Harvard violated Title VI by failing to discipline them. And then Harvard has to either agree to a "voluntary" resolution agreement with the federal government (the Office for Civil Rights in either the Department of Education or the Department of Health and Human Services), or be issued an involuntary resolution agreement on terms that it doesn't decide, or begin losing its federal funding -- in a manner that cannot easily be challenged in a suit alleging violations of the Administrative Procedures Act (because the procedures will have been followed).

Harvard doesn't want to admit that they didn't discipline foreign students. And it's too late to discipline them now, because if they do so now, it will be clear that they only disciplined them after DHS started asking questions.”


If so WTF Harvard. Why not just do a simple disciplinary proceeding - that would not have been hard.

This is a very plausible explanation. Given Harvard's abettment of anti-Semitic behavior, support for terrorists, and discrimination in admissions and hiring, the only course available to Harvard now is to plead the fifth. I refuse to answer on the grounds that my answer may incriminate me.

More like,“We respectfully refuse to answer on the grounds that we are a gaggle of antisemitic hypocrites who have been lying our asses off for years”?

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Anonymous wrote:International students a threat to national security and should not be admitted to any US college or university.

There goes 44 billion dollars lost. Murica.

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Anonymous wrote:Could someone please answer OP's veiled question "now that international students may not attend Harvard, will Larla get off the waitlist?"

If she is full pay, her chances may increase. If she needs financial assistance, nope. Harvard will need someone who can make up that cost difference.

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Anonymous wrote:Could someone please answer OP's veiled question "now that international students may not attend Harvard, will Larla get off the waitlist?"

If she is full pay, her chances may increase. If she needs financial assistance, nope. Harvard will need someone who can make up that cost difference.

How do they know if she is full pay? I thought they were need blind and don't have access to that data when making admissions decisions.

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Anonymous wrote:International students shouldn't make up more than 10% of the student body. Otherwise, the schools should lose their tax exempt status. There are plenty of full-pay, qualified, American students who can fill the spots.

Isn’t the majority of the international students in the graduate stem and research programs that Americans are not pursuing.

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Anonymous wrote:China becomes the dominant world power in education.

Impossible because they won't be at one of the very top colleges in the world.

LOL. The WSJ opinion board disagrees with you. It says it’s a message that America no longer cares about top talent. It also said most of our AI programs are filled with international students who stay and create companies here.

You don’t think China will dangle $1M to the top scientists and researchers at Harvard and elsewhere? Dumb, dumb, dumb.

What makes a top intl college? Surely not one who arrests students, dismantles federal agencies aiding academic research, censorship, and on..

Chinese universities have already started offering seats to Harvard international students.

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Anonymous wrote:China becomes the dominant world power in education.

China has been stealing our technology at my Division I college. An entire ring of Chinese students were arrested. Some had been in the US for many years stealing from us.

Then do something about the Chinese students, not everyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:China becomes the dominant world power in education.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this true? Saw on X. Makes sense.


“I think I've figured it out. @Harvard never disciplined certain foreign students who harassed and assaulted Jews on campus. They didn't suspend them, so that they wouldn't lose their F-1 visa status. That's what they're "hiding" from DHS. Harvard keeps saying they provided all records, which is not entirely false -- because there is no disciplinary record for students who were not disciplined. They aren't failing to produce disciplinary records. The disciplinary records don't exist. DHS is looking for disciplinary records that should exist, but don't.

Harvard won't explicitly say that they didn't discipline them, because the moment they say that, the Trump administration can issue a finding, on that basis alone, that Harvard violated Title VI by failing to discipline them. And then Harvard has to either agree to a "voluntary" resolution agreement with the federal government (the Office for Civil Rights in either the Department of Education or the Department of Health and Human Services), or be issued an involuntary resolution agreement on terms that it doesn't decide, or begin losing its federal funding -- in a manner that cannot easily be challenged in a suit alleging violations of the Administrative Procedures Act (because the procedures will have been followed).

Harvard doesn't want to admit that they didn't discipline foreign students. And it's too late to discipline them now, because if they do so now, it will be clear that they only disciplined them after DHS started asking questions.”


If so WTF Harvard. Why not just do a simple disciplinary proceeding - that would not have been hard.

And you believe the word of an anonymous on an anonymous social media as evidence. This country is indeed fu&&ked.

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Anonymous wrote:China becomes the dominant world power in education.

Impossible because they won't be at one of the very top colleges in the world.

LOL. The WSJ opinion board disagrees with you. It says it’s a message that America no longer cares about top talent. It also said most of our AI programs are filled with international students who stay and create companies here.

You don’t think China will dangle $1M to the top scientists and researchers at Harvard and elsewhere? Dumb, dumb, dumb.

What makes a top intl college? Surely not one who arrests students, dismantles federal agencies aiding academic research, censorship, and on..

Chinese universities have already started offering seats to Harvard international students.

Do they have a lot of programs taught in English?

I’m was an international student in the US (post grad). I think it’s insane that the percentage of international students at Harvard (and similarly other top schools is as high as 25%). I think the intake of foreign students should correlate to the selectivity of the college.

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The administration can just refuse visas to new students.

Except a federal judge just ordered them not to do that.

No I have been researching. The Judge (I read the TRO) said Harvard can't be banned from the program but it does not stop DHS from not approving the student's visas. That is a power of the Federal Government and there are cases out there where they stopped issuing visas for all kinds of reasons. Any excuse would work.

Those students would have little to no case and Harvard can't sue on their behalf because they don't have standing to do so; the students would need to sue. And they don't have the resources to do so and they would lose anyways.

International students should not come to the US for the near future and I think this will discourage them from doing so.

No this would violate the ruling. Trump can’t ban Harvard. If he tries to simply issue no visas specifically for Harvard students he is in effect banning Harvard.

It’s not likely that he’ll stop with Harvard — he just wants Trump Beat Harvard to get attention. He can just stop issuing Student Visas altogether — or reserve them for white South Africans.

It is so stupid. I know many parents with children pursuing higher education and graduate school that voted for Trump.

Who cares if he does damage to to our institutions and system of higher education as long as he owns some libs!

Totally worth it even if it hurts my own child.

My dd goes to a girls private school w tons of Dem voting families and nearly every girl is ecstatic at the thought of spots opening up at top colleges bc intl kids either can’t or won’t attend. They are HS juniors.

Why. Why do they want to go to Harvard of all places? This is a place that strongly values international students, scientific research, science and many other things that Trump is against. What are they going to do at Harvard and why?

They weren’t talking abt Harvard specifically. There are intl kids at all top schools. They generally take up 8-10% of spots.

They have a scarcity mindset. Can you believe people like pp wouldn’t correct her daughter? Trump and the GOP are so slick. They’ll have you blaming everyone else for your problems, which were created but Trump and the GOP. Americans are selfish, shortsighted suckers. Sad.

There is literally a limited number of seats at those schools. Those girls aren't blaming international students for their inability to compete with international students. They are just stoked that their prospects have iomproved without much thought to the poor fortune of the international students. I don't think they wish them ill but they are happy that their prospects have improved.

Me, me, me. Bad parenting.

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Anonymous wrote:International students shouldn't make up more than 10% of the student body. Otherwise, the schools should lose their tax exempt status. There are plenty of full-pay, qualified, American students who can fill the spots.

Agree. That’s a sound normal number.

Should the Save the Children Fund that helps starving children almost exclusively in foreign countries ALSO lose their tax exempt status?

Or Doctors Without Borders

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Anonymous wrote:Could someone please answer OP's veiled question "now that international students may not attend Harvard, will Larla get off the waitlist?"

If she is full pay, her chances may increase. If she needs financial assistance, nope. Harvard will need someone who can make up that cost difference.

How do they know if she is full pay? I thought they were need blind and don't have access to that data when making admissions decisions.

Zip codes, etc. where there a will there is a way. Harvard can always say that due to the current circumstances created by Trump and his administration, the school had to amend its previous commitment to free education to new students who are unable to pay. People would understand and it might have a backlash against Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:China becomes the dominant world power in education.

Impossible because they won't be at one of the very top colleges in the world.

LOL. The WSJ opinion board disagrees with you. It says it’s a message that America no longer cares about top talent. It also said most of our AI programs are filled with international students who stay and create companies here.

You don’t think China will dangle $1M to the top scientists and researchers at Harvard and elsewhere? Dumb, dumb, dumb.

What makes a top intl college? Surely not one who arrests students, dismantles federal agencies aiding academic research, censorship, and on..

Chinese universities have already started offering seats to Harvard international students.

Do they have a lot of programs taught in English?

I’m was an international student in the US (post grad). I think it’s insane that the percentage of international students at Harvard (and similarly other top schools is as high as 25%). I think the intake of foreign students should correlate to the selectivity of the college.

Yes. http://www.china.org.cn/english/LivinginChina/184768.htm

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Thanks. The chart is from 2006. Is there more recent data?