Sport Fair Winter Classic

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Anonymous wrote:We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?

There are not many big clubs at this meet. The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.

NCI pulls in a lot of teams from out of state and many qualifying cuts are faster than senior champs. It certainly takes a faster time to final. It’s a really fast meet.

NCI is just an incredibly fast meet. Thankfully Turkey Claus, sport Fair winter classic, etc exist for the not incredibly fast.

To be clear, there are plenty of swimmers at the Winter Classic that are fast enough to swim at the NCI. Their teams just don't participate so they cannot, even though they have the cuts. NCI is unquestionably a much faster meet, but it's inaccurate to say that the Winter Classic is for swimmers that are "not incredibly fast".

100%! Just looking at one event (50 back) in 9-10 girls, York, Makos, and OCCS all have 9-10 girls who are as fast as girls on NCAP and RMSC. York has the two fastest 9-10 girls in all of PVS by miles. (We swim at NCAP, but huge props to York. If we lived closer, I might change to York. They look like they are a true team.)

By the way YORK has literally always has good 10&Unders so where are their girls ranked in 13-14 and 15&Over categories right now?

If they aren’t high then sorry they aren’t a good team (unless you only want success at 10)

A lot of them move to NCAP.

Also NP but if every good kid needs to switch teams you don’t have a good team, however a girls Olympic Trials qualifier switching is a totally different situation. She needs higher level training partners which she will get with the NCAP boys (which are way better than Mako boys)

I don’t disagree. But I think the point getting lost is that she already achieved an incredible outcome before the switch.

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Anonymous wrote:We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?

There are not many big clubs at this meet. The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.

NCI pulls in a lot of teams from out of state and many qualifying cuts are faster than senior champs. It certainly takes a faster time to final. It’s a really fast meet.

NCI is just an incredibly fast meet. Thankfully Turkey Claus, sport Fair winter classic, etc exist for the not incredibly fast.

To be clear, there are plenty of swimmers at the Winter Classic that are fast enough to swim at the NCI. Their teams just don't participate so they cannot, even though they have the cuts. NCI is unquestionably a much faster meet, but it's inaccurate to say that the Winter Classic is for swimmers that are "not incredibly fast".

100%! Just looking at one event (50 back) in 9-10 girls, York, Makos, and OCCS all have 9-10 girls who are as fast as girls on NCAP and RMSC. York has the two fastest 9-10 girls in all of PVS by miles. (We swim at NCAP, but huge props to York. If we lived closer, I might change to York. They look like they are a true team.)

By the way YORK has literally always has good 10&Unders so where are their girls ranked in 13-14 and 15&Over categories right now?

If they aren’t high then sorry they aren’t a good team (unless you only want success at 10)

A lot of them move to NCAP.

Also NP but if every good kid needs to switch teams you don’t have a good team, however a girls Olympic Trials qualifier switching is a totally different situation. She needs higher level training partners which she will get with the NCAP boys (which are way better than Mako boys)

I don’t disagree. But I think the point getting lost is that she already achieved an incredible outcome before the switch.

People get that but are pointing out that her cohort was older kids and as those kids age out she’s left with kids her own age that not only cannot push her, but probably can’t even keep up with the basic level of training she needs.

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Anonymous wrote:We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?

There are not many big clubs at this meet. The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.

NCI pulls in a lot of teams from out of state and many qualifying cuts are faster than senior champs. It certainly takes a faster time to final. It’s a really fast meet.

NCI is just an incredibly fast meet. Thankfully Turkey Claus, sport Fair winter classic, etc exist for the not incredibly fast.

To be clear, there are plenty of swimmers at the Winter Classic that are fast enough to swim at the NCI. Their teams just don't participate so they cannot, even though they have the cuts. NCI is unquestionably a much faster meet, but it's inaccurate to say that the Winter Classic is for swimmers that are "not incredibly fast".

100%! Just looking at one event (50 back) in 9-10 girls, York, Makos, and OCCS all have 9-10 girls who are as fast as girls on NCAP and RMSC. York has the two fastest 9-10 girls in all of PVS by miles. (We swim at NCAP, but huge props to York. If we lived closer, I might change to York. They look like they are a true team.)

By the way YORK has literally always has good 10&Unders so where are their girls ranked in 13-14 and 15&Over categories right now?

If they aren’t high then sorry they aren’t a good team (unless you only want success at 10)

A lot of them move to NCAP.

Also NP but if every good kid needs to switch teams you don’t have a good team, however a girls Olympic Trials qualifier switching is a totally different situation. She needs higher level training partners which she will get with the NCAP boys (which are way better than Mako boys)

I don’t disagree. But I think the point getting lost is that she already achieved an incredible outcome before the switch.

People get that but are pointing out that her cohort was older kids and as those kids age out she’s left with kids her own age that not only cannot push her, but probably can’t even keep up with the basic level of training she needs.

And if you look at her times there are quite a few NCAP females that are her age that are definitely a cohort. Not to mention the ones that might be older or male.

https://swimstandards.com/rankings?page=1

She has a true training group.

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Anonymous wrote:We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?

There are not many big clubs at this meet. The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.

NCI pulls in a lot of teams from out of state and many qualifying cuts are faster than senior champs. It certainly takes a faster time to final. It’s a really fast meet.

NCI is just an incredibly fast meet. Thankfully Turkey Claus, sport Fair winter classic, etc exist for the not incredibly fast.

To be clear, there are plenty of swimmers at the Winter Classic that are fast enough to swim at the NCI. Their teams just don't participate so they cannot, even though they have the cuts. NCI is unquestionably a much faster meet, but it's inaccurate to say that the Winter Classic is for swimmers that are "not incredibly fast".

100%! Just looking at one event (50 back) in 9-10 girls, York, Makos, and OCCS all have 9-10 girls who are as fast as girls on NCAP and RMSC. York has the two fastest 9-10 girls in all of PVS by miles. (We swim at NCAP, but huge props to York. If we lived closer, I might change to York. They look like they are a true team.)

By the way YORK has literally always has good 10&Unders so where are their girls ranked in 13-14 and 15&Over categories right now?

If they aren’t high then sorry they aren’t a good team (unless you only want success at 10)

A lot of them move to NCAP.

Also NP but if every good kid needs to switch teams you don’t have a good team, however a girls Olympic Trials qualifier switching is a totally different situation. She needs higher level training partners which she will get with the NCAP boys (which are way better than Mako boys)

I don’t disagree. But I think the point getting lost is that she already achieved an incredible outcome before the switch.

People get that but are pointing out that her cohort was older kids and as those kids age out she’s left with kids her own age that not only cannot push her, but probably can’t even keep up with the basic level of training she needs.

And if you look at her times there are quite a few NCAP females that are her age that are definitely a cohort. Not to mention the ones that might be older or male.

https://swimstandards.com/rankings?page=1

She has a true training group.

Just because they are NCAP doesn't mean they are at the same site. She went to Burke and I am sure she went there to train with the Burke guys.

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Anonymous wrote:Typical DCUM saying that it is not appropriate for a 14 year-old OLYMPIC TRIALS QUALIFIER to be swimming with senior kids and should be swimming with other 13-14 year olds.

You guys really think Summer Macintosh was swimming with other 13-14 year olds when she placed 4th in Tokyo Olympics in the 400 Free? No she was doing yardage AND clearly she has still gotten significantly better since then.

Nobody said that.

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Anonymous wrote:We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?

There are not many big clubs at this meet. The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.

NCI pulls in a lot of teams from out of state and many qualifying cuts are faster than senior champs. It certainly takes a faster time to final. It’s a really fast meet.

NCI is just an incredibly fast meet. Thankfully Turkey Claus, sport Fair winter classic, etc exist for the not incredibly fast.

To be clear, there are plenty of swimmers at the Winter Classic that are fast enough to swim at the NCI. Their teams just don't participate so they cannot, even though they have the cuts. NCI is unquestionably a much faster meet, but it's inaccurate to say that the Winter Classic is for swimmers that are "not incredibly fast".

100%! Just looking at one event (50 back) in 9-10 girls, York, Makos, and OCCS all have 9-10 girls who are as fast as girls on NCAP and RMSC. York has the two fastest 9-10 girls in all of PVS by miles. (We swim at NCAP, but huge props to York. If we lived closer, I might change to York. They look like they are a true team.)

I just looked at the 9-10 girls 50 back and there is a York girl in 1st, NCAP 2nd, a York girl in 3rd who will be 11 in a month, and then a bunch of RMSC swimmers. I’m not seeing the domination you’re describing by York. The do have a great current 10 year old girl, but she is 1 month from being middle of the road as an 11-12. You would expect a 10 month 11 year old swimmer to be at the top of the 9-10 group.

I think the three York swimmers (9-10 girls) would win have a chance to win all NCI events, so I was agreeing that other teams have swimmers who easily could compete, and even win, events at NCI.

Where are you seeing what kids are swimming at this years WC? Not being snarky— curious where this is since my kid is swimming.

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Anonymous wrote:[b]I think it’s pretty concerning that a grown-up is calling a talented swimmer “middle of the road” when they age up. I actually know this girl, and she’s not only an incredible athlete but also a team player with natural leadership abilities. Let’s not tarnish the confidence of young kids who are working so hard to excel. Instead, we should be encouraging and celebrating their successes, regardless of where they fall within an age group.
I just looked at the 9-10 girls 50 back and there is a York girl in 1st, NCAP 2nd, a York girl in 3rd who will be 11 in a month, and then a bunch of RMSC swimmers. I’m not seeing the domination you’re describing by York. The do have a great current 10 year old girl, but she is 1 month from being middle of the road as an 11-12. You would expect a 10 month 11 year old swimmer to be at the top of the 9-10 group.

lol I meant 10 years, 11 months.

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I think it’s pretty concerning that a grown-up is calling a talented swimmer “middle of the road” when they age up. I actually know this girl, and she’s not only an incredible athlete but also a team player with natural leadership abilities. Let’s not tarnish the confidence of young kids who are working so hard to excel. Instead, we should be encouraging and celebrating their successes, regardless of where they fall within an age group.

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I’m with you here. Especially because the kids are usually so nice to each other, regardless of club. I’ve always been impressed at the bigger meets.

The York discussion caught my eye because my introverted kid (swims elsewhere) has had some really positive interactions with their swimmers, even at bigger meets, even when they’re all nervous. It speaks well of their vibe and leadership.

This makes me so happy to hear. I have an introverted York swimmer too and we focus a lot on good sportsmanship etc.

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Anonymous wrote:We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?

There are not many big clubs at this meet. The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.

NCI pulls in a lot of teams from out of state and many qualifying cuts are faster than senior champs. It certainly takes a faster time to final. It’s a really fast meet.

NCI is just an incredibly fast meet. Thankfully Turkey Claus, sport Fair winter classic, etc exist for the not incredibly fast.

To be clear, there are plenty of swimmers at the Winter Classic that are fast enough to swim at the NCI. Their teams just don't participate so they cannot, even though they have the cuts. NCI is unquestionably a much faster meet, but it's inaccurate to say that the Winter Classic is for swimmers that are "not incredibly fast".

100%! Just looking at one event (50 back) in 9-10 girls, York, Makos, and OCCS all have 9-10 girls who are as fast as girls on NCAP and RMSC. York has the two fastest 9-10 girls in all of PVS by miles. (We swim at NCAP, but huge props to York. If we lived closer, I might change to York. They look like they are a true team.)

By the way YORK has literally always has good 10&Unders so where are their girls ranked in 13-14 and 15&Over categories right now?

If they aren’t high then sorry they aren’t a good team (unless you only want success at 10)

A lot of them move to NCAP.

Also NP but if every good kid needs to switch teams you don’t have a good team, however a girls Olympic Trials qualifier switching is a totally different situation. She needs higher level training partners which she will get with the NCAP boys (which are way better than Mako boys)

I don’t disagree. But I think the point getting lost is that she already achieved an incredible outcome before the switch.

People get that but are pointing out that her cohort was older kids and as those kids age out she’s left with kids her own age that not only cannot push her, but probably can’t even keep up with the basic level of training she needs.

And if you look at her times there are quite a few NCAP females that are her age that are definitely a cohort. Not to mention the ones that might be older or male.

https://swimstandards.com/rankings?page=1

She has a true training group.

Just because they are NCAP doesn't mean they are at the same site. She went to Burke and I am sure she went there to train with the Burke guys.

She was fine, doing great at mako, and she'll be fine doing great at NCAP. She is by far the fastest and most talented NCAP Burke female, and will be for the next 3 years. NCAP will get the credit, though, even though she was MAKO for 9 or so years.

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Anonymous wrote:We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?

There are not many big clubs at this meet. The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.

NCI pulls in a lot of teams from out of state and many qualifying cuts are faster than senior champs. It certainly takes a faster time to final. It’s a really fast meet.

NCI is just an incredibly fast meet. Thankfully Turkey Claus, sport Fair winter classic, etc exist for the not incredibly fast.

To be clear, there are plenty of swimmers at the Winter Classic that are fast enough to swim at the NCI. Their teams just don't participate so they cannot, even though they have the cuts. NCI is unquestionably a much faster meet, but it's inaccurate to say that the Winter Classic is for swimmers that are "not incredibly fast".

100%! Just looking at one event (50 back) in 9-10 girls, York, Makos, and OCCS all have 9-10 girls who are as fast as girls on NCAP and RMSC. York has the two fastest 9-10 girls in all of PVS by miles. (We swim at NCAP, but huge props to York. If we lived closer, I might change to York. They look like they are a true team.)

I just looked at the 9-10 girls 50 back and there is a York girl in 1st, NCAP 2nd, a York girl in 3rd who will be 11 in a month, and then a bunch of RMSC swimmers. I’m not seeing the domination you’re describing by York. The do have a great current 10 year old girl, but she is 1 month from being middle of the road as an 11-12. You would expect a 10 month 11 year old swimmer to be at the top of the 9-10 group.

I think the three York swimmers (9-10 girls) would win have a chance to win all NCI events, so I was agreeing that other teams have swimmers who easily could compete, and even win, events at NCI.

Where are you seeing what kids are swimming at this years WC? Not being snarky— curious where this is since my kid is swimming.

our team sent out a list of who had made the WC team.

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Anonymous wrote:We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?

There are not many big clubs at this meet. The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.

NCI pulls in a lot of teams from out of state and many qualifying cuts are faster than senior champs. It certainly takes a faster time to final. It’s a really fast meet.

NCI is just an incredibly fast meet. Thankfully Turkey Claus, sport Fair winter classic, etc exist for the not incredibly fast.

To be clear, there are plenty of swimmers at the Winter Classic that are fast enough to swim at the NCI. Their teams just don't participate so they cannot, even though they have the cuts. NCI is unquestionably a much faster meet, but it's inaccurate to say that the Winter Classic is for swimmers that are "not incredibly fast".

100%! Just looking at one event (50 back) in 9-10 girls, York, Makos, and OCCS all have 9-10 girls who are as fast as girls on NCAP and RMSC. York has the two fastest 9-10 girls in all of PVS by miles. (We swim at NCAP, but huge props to York. If we lived closer, I might change to York. They look like they are a true team.)

I just looked at the 9-10 girls 50 back and there is a York girl in 1st, NCAP 2nd, a York girl in 3rd who will be 11 in a month, and then a bunch of RMSC swimmers. I’m not seeing the domination you’re describing by York. The do have a great current 10 year old girl, but she is 1 month from being middle of the road as an 11-12. You would expect a 10 month 11 year old swimmer to be at the top of the 9-10 group.

I think the three York swimmers (9-10 girls) would win have a chance to win all NCI events, so I was agreeing that other teams have swimmers who easily could compete, and even win, events at NCI.

Where are you seeing what kids are swimming at this years WC? Not being snarky— curious where this is since my kid is swimming.

our team sent out a list of who had made the WC team.

For your own team, or the entries for the other teams too?

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Anonymous wrote:We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?

There are not many big clubs at this meet. The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.

NCI pulls in a lot of teams from out of state and many qualifying cuts are faster than senior champs. It certainly takes a faster time to final. It’s a really fast meet.

NCI is just an incredibly fast meet. Thankfully Turkey Claus, sport Fair winter classic, etc exist for the not incredibly fast.

To be clear, there are plenty of swimmers at the Winter Classic that are fast enough to swim at the NCI. Their teams just don't participate so they cannot, even though they have the cuts. NCI is unquestionably a much faster meet, but it's inaccurate to say that the Winter Classic is for swimmers that are "not incredibly fast".

100%! Just looking at one event (50 back) in 9-10 girls, York, Makos, and OCCS all have 9-10 girls who are as fast as girls on NCAP and RMSC. York has the two fastest 9-10 girls in all of PVS by miles. (We swim at NCAP, but huge props to York. If we lived closer, I might change to York. They look like they are a true team.)

I just looked at the 9-10 girls 50 back and there is a York girl in 1st, NCAP 2nd, a York girl in 3rd who will be 11 in a month, and then a bunch of RMSC swimmers. I’m not seeing the domination you’re describing by York. The do have a great current 10 year old girl, but she is 1 month from being middle of the road as an 11-12. You would expect a 10 month 11 year old swimmer to be at the top of the 9-10 group.

I think the three York swimmers (9-10 girls) would win have a chance to win all NCI events, so I was agreeing that other teams have swimmers who easily could compete, and even win, events at NCI.

Where are you seeing what kids are swimming at this years WC? Not being snarky— curious where this is since my kid is swimming.

our team sent out a list of who had made the WC team.

For your own team, or the entries for the other teams too?

just our team- I doubt anyone (other than the meet hosts) has the swimmer lists from other teams yet. I don't think a psych sheet has gone out.

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Anonymous wrote:We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?

There are not many big clubs at this meet. The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.

NCI pulls in a lot of teams from out of state and many qualifying cuts are faster than senior champs. It certainly takes a faster time to final. It’s a really fast meet.

NCI is just an incredibly fast meet. Thankfully Turkey Claus, sport Fair winter classic, etc exist for the not incredibly fast.

To be clear, there are plenty of swimmers at the Winter Classic that are fast enough to swim at the NCI. Their teams just don't participate so they cannot, even though they have the cuts. NCI is unquestionably a much faster meet, but it's inaccurate to say that the Winter Classic is for swimmers that are "not incredibly fast".

100%! Just looking at one event (50 back) in 9-10 girls, York, Makos, and OCCS all have 9-10 girls who are as fast as girls on NCAP and RMSC. York has the two fastest 9-10 girls in all of PVS by miles. (We swim at NCAP, but huge props to York. If we lived closer, I might change to York. They look like they are a true team.)

I just looked at the 9-10 girls 50 back and there is a York girl in 1st, NCAP 2nd, a York girl in 3rd who will be 11 in a month, and then a bunch of RMSC swimmers. I’m not seeing the domination you’re describing by York. The do have a great current 10 year old girl, but she is 1 month from being middle of the road as an 11-12. You would expect a 10 month 11 year old swimmer to be at the top of the 9-10 group.

I think the three York swimmers (9-10 girls) would win have a chance to win all NCI events, so I was agreeing that other teams have swimmers who easily could compete, and even win, events at NCI.

Where are you seeing what kids are swimming at this years WC? Not being snarky— curious where this is since my kid is swimming.

our team sent out a list of who had made the WC team.

For your own team, or the entries for the other teams too?

just our team- I doubt anyone (other than the meet hosts) has the swimmer lists from other teams yet. I don't think a psych sheet has gone out.

Got it, thanks! I misinterpreted a message earlier making it seem like a psych sheet was out which I didn’t think it was. Thanks!

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Anonymous wrote:We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?

There are not many big clubs at this meet. The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.

NCI pulls in a lot of teams from out of state and many qualifying cuts are faster than senior champs. It certainly takes a faster time to final. It’s a really fast meet.

NCI is just an incredibly fast meet. Thankfully Turkey Claus, sport Fair winter classic, etc exist for the not incredibly fast.

To be clear, there are plenty of swimmers at the Winter Classic that are fast enough to swim at the NCI. Their teams just don't participate so they cannot, even though they have the cuts. NCI is unquestionably a much faster meet, but it's inaccurate to say that the Winter Classic is for swimmers that are "not incredibly fast".

100%! Just looking at one event (50 back) in 9-10 girls, York, Makos, and OCCS all have 9-10 girls who are as fast as girls on NCAP and RMSC. York has the two fastest 9-10 girls in all of PVS by miles. (We swim at NCAP, but huge props to York. If we lived closer, I might change to York. They look like they are a true team.)

By the way YORK has literally always has good 10&Unders so where are their girls ranked in 13-14 and 15&Over categories right now?

If they aren’t high then sorry they aren’t a good team (unless you only want success at 10)

A lot of them move to NCAP.

Also NP but if every good kid needs to switch teams you don’t have a good team, however a girls Olympic Trials qualifier switching is a totally different situation. She needs higher level training partners which she will get with the NCAP boys (which are way better than Mako boys)

I don’t disagree. But I think the point getting lost is that she already achieved an incredible outcome before the switch.

People get that but are pointing out that her cohort was older kids and as those kids age out she’s left with kids her own age that not only cannot push her, but probably can’t even keep up with the basic level of training she needs.

And if you look at her times there are quite a few NCAP females that are her age that are definitely a cohort. Not to mention the ones that might be older or male.

https://swimstandards.com/rankings?page=1

She has a true training group.

Just because they are NCAP doesn't mean they are at the same site. She went to Burke and I am sure she went there to train with the Burke guys.

She was fine, doing great at mako, and she'll be fine doing great at NCAP. She is by far the fastest and most talented NCAP Burke female, and will be for the next 3 years. NCAP will get the credit, though, even though she was MAKO for 9 or so years.

Is this a salty MAKO coach posting?

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Anonymous wrote:We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?

There are not many big clubs at this meet. The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.

NCI pulls in a lot of teams from out of state and many qualifying cuts are faster than senior champs. It certainly takes a faster time to final. It’s a really fast meet.

NCI is just an incredibly fast meet. Thankfully Turkey Claus, sport Fair winter classic, etc exist for the not incredibly fast.

To be clear, there are plenty of swimmers at the Winter Classic that are fast enough to swim at the NCI. Their teams just don't participate so they cannot, even though they have the cuts. NCI is unquestionably a much faster meet, but it's inaccurate to say that the Winter Classic is for swimmers that are "not incredibly fast".

100%! Just looking at one event (50 back) in 9-10 girls, York, Makos, and OCCS all have 9-10 girls who are as fast as girls on NCAP and RMSC. York has the two fastest 9-10 girls in all of PVS by miles. (We swim at NCAP, but huge props to York. If we lived closer, I might change to York. They look like they are a true team.)

I just looked at the 9-10 girls 50 back and there is a York girl in 1st, NCAP 2nd, a York girl in 3rd who will be 11 in a month, and then a bunch of RMSC swimmers. I’m not seeing the domination you’re describing by York. The do have a great current 10 year old girl, but she is 1 month from being middle of the road as an 11-12. You would expect a 10 month 11 year old swimmer to be at the top of the 9-10 group.

I think the three York swimmers (9-10 girls) would win have a chance to win all NCI events, so I was agreeing that other teams have swimmers who easily could compete, and even win, events at NCI.

Where are you seeing what kids are swimming at this years WC? Not being snarky— curious where this is since my kid is swimming.

I’m just looking at the top swimmers in all of PVS. I don’t know anything about the meet, as we go to NCI.

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Anonymous wrote:We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?

There are not many big clubs at this meet. The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.

NCI pulls in a lot of teams from out of state and many qualifying cuts are faster than senior champs. It certainly takes a faster time to final. It’s a really fast meet.

NCI is just an incredibly fast meet. Thankfully Turkey Claus, sport Fair winter classic, etc exist for the not incredibly fast.

To be clear, there are plenty of swimmers at the Winter Classic that are fast enough to swim at the NCI. Their teams just don't participate so they cannot, even though they have the cuts. NCI is unquestionably a much faster meet, but it's inaccurate to say that the Winter Classic is for swimmers that are "not incredibly fast".

100%! Just looking at one event (50 back) in 9-10 girls, York, Makos, and OCCS all have 9-10 girls who are as fast as girls on NCAP and RMSC. York has the two fastest 9-10 girls in all of PVS by miles. (We swim at NCAP, but huge props to York. If we lived closer, I might change to York. They look like they are a true team.)

I just looked at the 9-10 girls 50 back and there is a York girl in 1st, NCAP 2nd, a York girl in 3rd who will be 11 in a month, and then a bunch of RMSC swimmers. I’m not seeing the domination you’re describing by York. The do have a great current 10 year old girl, but she is 1 month from being middle of the road as an 11-12. You would expect a 10 month 11 year old swimmer to be at the top of the 9-10 group.

I think the three York swimmers (9-10 girls) would win have a chance to win all NCI events, so I was agreeing that other teams have swimmers who easily could compete, and even win, events at NCI.

Where are you seeing what kids are swimming at this years WC? Not being snarky— curious where this is since my kid is swimming.

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