Sport Fair Winter Classic

[Anonymous]

We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?

[Anonymous]

Makos, York, AAC, SDS, CAA (of MD) and of course Marlins are all confirmed attending.

[Anonymous]

The team list is in the back of the shirt. The only one I notice missing from last year is the St James. At least one new team.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The team list is in the back of the shirt. The only one I notice missing from last year is the St James. At least one new team.

https://form.jotform.com/243247225046149

Actually, they’re still there. Just without the The.

[Anonymous]

It is pretty much the same teams year to year. Some clubs might pull their faster swimmers to NCI and a few clubs that travel in might not.

There were 15 clubs attending last year - this was the order of point total from high to low:

York
AAC
Mako
Columbia Aquatics
Potomac Marlins
Annapolis Swim Club
Loyola Blakefield Aquatics
Capitol Sea Devils
The St. James
Mercerburg Academy
Merritt Athletic Swimming
Blue Wave
Greater Baltimore Swim
Shark Tank

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

It is pretty much the same teams year to year. Some clubs might pull their faster swimmers to NCI and a few clubs that travel in might not.

There were 15 clubs attending last year - this was the order of point total from high to low:

York
AAC
Mako
Columbia Aquatics
Potomac Marlins
Annapolis Swim Club
Loyola Blakefield Aquatics
Capitol Sea Devils
The St. James
Mercerburg Academy
Merritt Athletic Swimming
Blue Wave
Greater Baltimore Swim
Shark Tank

Actually 14, there were some unattached swimmers that showed as a team from Mercerburg. York, AAC, and PM are the largest clubs at this meet. Most are small clubs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The team list is in the back of the shirt. The only one I notice missing from last year is the St James. At least one new team.

https://form.jotform.com/243247225046149

It looks like the same big teams and some of the small teams have been switched with some other teams. This is a really small meet with clubs limited to 80 entrants total (Marlins 120 entrants as host).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?

There are not many big clubs at this meet. The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are hearing rumors some big clubs aren’t attending this year and were also just told we could bring more swimmers than originally planned. Which clubs are definitely attending? Who dropped out?

There are not many big clubs at this meet. The big clubs (RMSC, NCAP, Machine, etc) all attend NCI and Turkey Claus.

RMSC hosts their own meet at Germantown. They stopped attending NCI year's ago.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The team list is in the back of the shirt. The only one I notice missing from last year is the St James. At least one new team.

https://form.jotform.com/243247225046149

It looks like the same big teams and some of the small teams have been switched with some other teams. This is a really small meet with clubs limited to 80 entrants total (Marlins 120 entrants as host).

NCI had 8,727 entries last year, Winter Classic had 7,806. One random PVS Nov open (the only one I checked) had 4,193 entries. Maybe the bar for “really small” is less than 8,000 entries, not my area of expertise.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The team list is in the back of the shirt. The only one I notice missing from last year is the St James. At least one new team.

https://form.jotform.com/243247225046149

It looks like the same big teams and some of the small teams have been switched with some other teams. This is a really small meet with clubs limited to 80 entrants total (Marlins 120 entrants as host).

NCI had 8,727 entries last year, Winter Classic had 7,806. One random PVS Nov open (the only one I checked) had 4,193 entries. Maybe the bar for “really small” is less than 8,000 entries, not my area of expertise.

There’s a difference between entrants (the total number of swimmers who are entered in the meet) and the number of entries (the total number of swimmers entered in each event, so each swimmer could conceivably count 7x since they are allowed to enter 7 events).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The team list is in the back of the shirt. The only one I notice missing from last year is the St James. At least one new team.

https://form.jotform.com/243247225046149

It looks like the same big teams and some of the small teams have been switched with some other teams. This is a really small meet with clubs limited to 80 entrants total (Marlins 120 entrants as host).

NCI had 8,727 entries last year, Winter Classic had 7,806. One random PVS Nov open (the only one I checked) had 4,193 entries. Maybe the bar for “really small” is less than 8,000 entries, not my area of expertise.

There’s a difference between entrants (the total number of swimmers who are entered in the meet) and the number of entries (the total number of swimmers entered in each event, so each swimmer could conceivably count 7x since they are allowed to enter 7 events).

5,156 for NCI, 4,007 for Winter Classic, 1,618 for November open. So maybe the bar is 5,000 entrants.

[Anonymous]

winter classic and NCI's are just fundamentally different styles of meets. NCI has qualifying times- if you have a qualifying time, and your team is going- you can attend. You only swim the qualifying time events (plus maybe bonus events).
Winter Classic is a team competition scored meet. Each team is only allowed to bring 80 swimmers. Because of this, I would imagine that virtually every swimmer swims 7 events (I know for our team, a condition of being allowed to swim in Winter Classic is that you agree to swim 7 events.) The team gets to select which swimmers get to attend winter classic. B/c of the scoring, I think it has more of a team feel and a fundamentally different vibe. I tend to see more cheering at winter classic than in general at PVS meets.
And to the first poster who asserted their team was told they could bring more swimmers- I seriously question that. The 80 swimmer limit is in the meet announcement. The meet is scored, which means that allowing some teams to bring more swimmers would make the scoring unfair. I know our team went out with a first round of invitations to swim in winter classic last week, then waited to fill all the spots both until some of the first round kids said if they could come or not, and to see the results of swims at this past weekend's meet. They sent out second round invitations last night. I guess that could look to someone like the team was allowed to bring more swimmers- but really they just hadn't filled all the spots yet- the roster is still 80.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The team list is in the back of the shirt. The only one I notice missing from last year is the St James. At least one new team.

https://form.jotform.com/243247225046149

It looks like the same big teams and some of the small teams have been switched with some other teams. This is a really small meet with clubs limited to 80 entrants total (Marlins 120 entrants as host).

NCI had 8,727 entries last year, Winter Classic had 7,806. One random PVS Nov open (the only one I checked) had 4,193 entries. Maybe the bar for “really small” is less than 8,000 entries, not my area of expertise.

There’s a difference between entrants (the total number of swimmers who are entered in the meet) and the number of entries (the total number of swimmers entered in each event, so each swimmer could conceivably count 7x since they are allowed to enter 7 events).

5,156 for NCI, 4,007 for Winter Classic, 1,618 for November open. So maybe the bar is 5,000 entrants.

Sorry, these figures are the total Swimmers for warm-ups. So, a slightly larger disparity (%wise) than by total entries.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The team list is in the back of the shirt. The only one I notice missing from last year is the St James. At least one new team.

https://form.jotform.com/243247225046149

It looks like the same big teams and some of the small teams have been switched with some other teams. This is a really small meet with clubs limited to 80 entrants total (Marlins 120 entrants as host).

NCI had 8,727 entries last year, Winter Classic had 7,806. One random PVS Nov open (the only one I checked) had 4,193 entries. Maybe the bar for “really small” is less than 8,000 entries, not my area of expertise.

There’s a difference between entrants (the total number of swimmers who are entered in the meet) and the number of entries (the total number of swimmers entered in each event, so each swimmer could conceivably count 7x since they are allowed to enter 7 events).

5,156 for NCI, 4,007 for Winter Classic, 1,618 for November open. So maybe the bar is 5,000 entrants.

I don’t know what kind of special math you are doing but there were not 4,000 individual swimmers at Winter Classic last year, there was just short of 900.