Defund the Police versus Abortion Bans

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

Implicit in your assumptions is that there is just as close of a connection between “defunding the police“ and more crime as there is between abortion restrictions and fewer abortions. Also, you are assuming that fewer legal abortions mean fewer overall abortions when it could just as easily mean, fewer legal abortions but more illegal ones.

In other words, in both instances you are assuming a linearity that either doesn’t exist or that you haven’t proven.

It is absolutely direct with defund the police. You can’t really still be blind to that.

If you demoralize the police and fully de incentivize fighting crime, there will be more crime. Period.

Show your work.

I’ll help you out here. Take a look at Montgomery County, MD. That’s a perfect example of a local government stripping their police department of professional respect and dignity so much that they now face a staffing nightmare. Understaffed units can’t properly operate.

Of course, that’s not really a problem since this same brilliant council has suggested reducing police presence in high-crime areas by 50% in order to reduce the public’s interactions with police. (Yes, that’s their stated reason.) I guess crime will go down because officers will no longer be there to cause it?

[Anonymous]

Police are still funded in VA so that’s not really relevant. And abortion is on the table with some 100% ban candidates.

So it’s a very easy choice in VA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Literally, every single ad I see on the TV relating to the upcoming Virginia state elections is pitting Republican “defund the police“ versus Democrat “abortion ban.” Are people still failing for the “defund the police” nonsense?

One ad that I keep seeing over and over again has the claim that, and this is a QUOTE, “violent criminals, murderers and rapists are roaming the streets” in Prince William County thanks to the cronies of the Democratic candidate.

People really fall for this bullshit?

No, not in this area. I have never seen such failed political messaging in my career.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

Implicit in your assumptions is that there is just as close of a connection between “defunding the police“ and more crime as there is between abortion restrictions and fewer abortions. Also, you are assuming that fewer legal abortions mean fewer overall abortions when it could just as easily mean, fewer legal abortions but more illegal ones.

In other words, in both instances you are assuming a linearity that either doesn’t exist or that you haven’t proven.

It is absolutely direct with defund the police. You can’t really still be blind to that.

If you demoralize the police and fully de incentivize fighting crime, there will be more crime. Period.

Show your work.

Here ya go!

https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/district-crime-data-glance


I gotta tell ya- the whole “show your work / citation needed / what’s your proof of this?” response whenever someone points out a skyrocketing crime rate in association with police defunding and police demoralization is really showing its age.

Everyone knows crime has exploded locally.

Everyone also knows that not only was MPD defunded, but it abd most other local departments are short hundreds of officers, because they can’t replace cops who are leaving. No one wants the job anymore, because of people like those who post the sort of tripe you post.

When you say “show your work” as a retort, literally everyone here knows it’s because you e got nothing else to throw. It might as well be a white flag of surrender. You’re beaten.

Can we both agree on that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Literally, every single ad I see on the TV relating to the upcoming Virginia state elections is pitting Republican “defund the police“ versus Democrat “abortion ban.” Are people still failing for the “defund the police” nonsense?

One ad that I keep seeing over and over again has the claim that, and this is a QUOTE, “violent criminals, murderers and rapists are roaming the streets” in Prince William County thanks to the cronies of the Democratic candidate.

People really fall for this bullshit?

No, not in this area. I have never seen such failed political messaging in my career.

But simpletons here WILL fall for the “tHeY’rE gOnNa bAn MuH aBoRtsHuNs” political messaging… because the people in this area are sooooooo sophisticated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I want police.
I want them to stop murdering black people.
I want reproductive freedom.

I want police
I want them to stop murdering *any* people (not just black people)
I want fewer viable babies murdered, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Literally, every single ad I see on the TV relating to the upcoming Virginia state elections is pitting Republican “defund the police“ versus Democrat “abortion ban.” Are people still failing for the “defund the police” nonsense?

One ad that I keep seeing over and over again has the claim that, and this is a QUOTE, “violent criminals, murderers and rapists are roaming the streets” in Prince William County thanks to the cronies of the Democratic candidate.

People really fall for this bullshit?

No, not in this area. I have never seen such failed political messaging in my career.

But simpletons here WILL fall for the “tHeY’rE gOnNa bAn MuH aBoRtsHuNs” political messaging… because the people in this area are sooooooo sophisticated.

But they actually are in favor of abortion bans, no? Can you link to something more specific?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Literally, every single ad I see on the TV relating to the upcoming Virginia state elections is pitting Republican “defund the police“ versus Democrat “abortion ban.” Are people still failing for the “defund the police” nonsense?

One ad that I keep seeing over and over again has the claim that, and this is a QUOTE, “violent criminals, murderers and rapists are roaming the streets” in Prince William County thanks to the cronies of the Democratic candidate.

People really fall for this bullshit?

No, not in this area. I have never seen such failed political messaging in my career.

But simpletons here WILL fall for the “tHeY’rE gOnNa bAn MuH aBoRtsHuNs” political messaging… because the people in this area are sooooooo sophisticated.

The difference is Republicans ARE going to band abortion. They have said so.

The “mean streets of Leesburg” messaging is just fabrication. Especially when paired with “Re-elect Mike Chapman as sheriff, he got crime down 45%.”

No one thinks crime in these Virginia districts is this dystopian nightmare these candidates are making it out to be. Nor do they believe it will be when Democrats control the legislature and local governments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Literally, every single ad I see on the TV relating to the upcoming Virginia state elections is pitting Republican “defund the police“ versus Democrat “abortion ban.” Are people still failing for the “defund the police” nonsense?

One ad that I keep seeing over and over again has the claim that, and this is a QUOTE, “violent criminals, murderers and rapists are roaming the streets” in Prince William County thanks to the cronies of the Democratic candidate.

People really fall for this bullshit?

No, not in this area. I have never seen such failed political messaging in my career.

But simpletons here WILL fall for the “tHeY’rE gOnNa bAn MuH aBoRtsHuNs” political messaging… because the people in this area are sooooooo sophisticated.

The difference is Republicans ARE going to band abortion. They have said so.

The “mean streets of Leesburg” messaging is just fabrication. Especially when paired with “Re-elect Mike Chapman as sheriff, he got crime down 45%.”

No one thinks crime in these Virginia districts is this dystopian nightmare these candidates are making it out to be. Nor do they believe it will be when Democrats control the legislature and local governments.

No, that is not happening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Literally, every single ad I see on the TV relating to the upcoming Virginia state elections is pitting Republican “defund the police“ versus Democrat “abortion ban.” Are people still failing for the “defund the police” nonsense?

One ad that I keep seeing over and over again has the claim that, and this is a QUOTE, “violent criminals, murderers and rapists are roaming the streets” in Prince William County thanks to the cronies of the Democratic candidate.

People really fall for this bullshit?

No, not in this area. I have never seen such failed political messaging in my career.

But simpletons here WILL fall for the “tHeY’rE gOnNa bAn MuH aBoRtsHuNs” political messaging… because the people in this area are sooooooo sophisticated.

Virginia Republicans have already pushed three bills banning abortion this year (2023), including one full ban.

It’s not just “messaging”, it’s what is actually happening in Virginia today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Literally, every single ad I see on the TV relating to the upcoming Virginia state elections is pitting Republican “defund the police“ versus Democrat “abortion ban.” Are people still failing for the “defund the police” nonsense?

One ad that I keep seeing over and over again has the claim that, and this is a QUOTE, “violent criminals, murderers and rapists are roaming the streets” in Prince William County thanks to the cronies of the Democratic candidate.

People really fall for this bullshit?

No, not in this area. I have never seen such failed political messaging in my career.

But simpletons here WILL fall for the “tHeY’rE gOnNa bAn MuH aBoRtsHuNs” political messaging… because the people in this area are sooooooo sophisticated.

But they actually are in favor of abortion bans, no? Can you link to something more specific?

The vast majority of Virginians do not want more restrictions around abortions.

There are multiple 100% pro-life Republicans running for office. Zero Republicans have said they will protect women’s rights.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

No. You don’t get to decide what I do with my body. Period.

Unless it's a vaccine.

I didn’t force you to get (or not) get a vaccine against your will.

You (the collective “you”) absolutely did. It was the only way I could keep my job, or get another job, and be able to earn a living. If I didn’t submit to your vaccine demands, I couldn’t go to public events like concerts or games, get into various restaurants, be voluntarily admitted to a hospital for elective treatment/care/surgery or receive life saving medical care like an organ transplant, I couldn’t attend college which I’d already paid for, and a myriad of other things I couldn’t do during 2021-2022 without showing that stupid little white card.

Don’t even try to claim that people weren’t forced to get vaccinated. We were all around back then. We know better. And your claiming otherwise makes you the foulest type of liar there is - a gaslighter. Because we all lived through it - and now you try to convince us that never happened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Literally, every single ad I see on the TV relating to the upcoming Virginia state elections is pitting Republican “defund the police“ versus Democrat “abortion ban.” Are people still failing for the “defund the police” nonsense?

One ad that I keep seeing over and over again has the claim that, and this is a QUOTE, “violent criminals, murderers and rapists are roaming the streets” in Prince William County thanks to the cronies of the Democratic candidate.

People really fall for this bullshit?

No, not in this area. I have never seen such failed political messaging in my career.

But simpletons here WILL fall for the “tHeY’rE gOnNa bAn MuH aBoRtsHuNs” political messaging… because the people in this area are sooooooo sophisticated.

The difference is Republicans ARE going to band abortion. They have said so.

The “mean streets of Leesburg” messaging is just fabrication. Especially when paired with “Re-elect Mike Chapman as sheriff, he got crime down 45%.”

No one thinks crime in these Virginia districts is this dystopian nightmare these candidates are making it out to be. Nor do they believe it will be when Democrats control the legislature and local governments.

How is it when Republicans say that about Democrats banning guns - “Democrats have said they ARE going to take your guns” - that people here on DCUM, probably Democrats, immediately respond with “no one is going to be taking anyone’s guns, stop being conspiratorial nutters” ?

How’s it work one way, but not work the other way? Explain that for us. Why is it you think only Republicans keep their word, lolz?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

No. You don’t get to decide what I do with my body. Period.

- except vaccines. Then, I have to do whatever you say.

Yep. Then that whole “my body my choice” crap goes right out the window.

At no point was it ILLEGAL for you to not get vaccinated. Dumb comparison.

At no point will it ever be ILLEGAL to get an abortion somewhere in this country. Dumber comparison.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It all comes down to a numbers game and good or bad the election will come down to how well Americans understand math.

Violent crimes happen more than abortions either about 33% more violent crimes than abortions occurring every year in the United States.

If you look at overall crimes, there are 17 crimes committed for every abortion in the United States every year.

Defund the police and the occurrence of violent and non violent crimes continues to rise. Implement reasonable abortion restrictions and abortions continue to occur although the numbers will most likely decrease.

So for those that make data driven decisions it is an easy one to make.

^ My thoughts exactly! And most abortions (> 95 % ) are preventable just use protection, iud, pills, vasectomy, etc but crime is not. Sometimes you are at the wrong place at the wrong time. My vote is for crime prevention and pregnancy prevention (get an IUD ladies or vasectomy brothers)

Implicit in your assumptions is that there is just as close of a connection between “defunding the police“ and more crime as there is between abortion restrictions and fewer abortions. Also, you are assuming that fewer legal abortions mean fewer overall abortions when it could just as easily mean, fewer legal abortions but more illegal ones.

In other words, in both instances you are assuming a linearity that either doesn’t exist or that you haven’t proven.

It is absolutely direct with defund the police. You can’t really still be blind to that.

If you demoralize the police and fully de incentivize fighting crime, there will be more crime. Period.

Show your work.

DP.

Hi PP. YOU have to show your work first. Complete cites. Attributions. Full bibliography.

Then, maybe we will respond to your ridiculous demand in every thread.

DP. That was PP’s polite way of saying that you’re full of crap. We all know it. PP was just being nice about it.

No, PP just had nothing substantive to say, and threw that out in desperation.