Why are kids with problematic behavior left in mainstream classes

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have a dog in this fight but you all should be so very grateful that you do not have a child who has these challenges. Take just a moment and think what it must be like for those parents.

One can feel sympathy for the families dealing with these issues, and also recognize that the current policies don’t work. Kids should not have to evacuate a classroom because their classmate is throwing furniture. Students who throw things or otherwise abuse their teachers or classmates should not be in mainstream classrooms. Sympathy for their parents doesn’t change that.

[Anonymous]

Why is it all about the rights of the individual?
The rights of the teacher and everyone else in the classroom don’t seem to matter at all. Why?

[Anonymous]

This has happened multiple times in my child’s class. We need to keep emailing directors and we will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't have a dog in this fight but you all should be so very grateful that you do not have a child who has these challenges. Take just a moment and think what it must be like for those parents.

One can feel sympathy for the families dealing with these issues, and also recognize that the current policies don’t work. Kids should not have to evacuate a classroom because their classmate is throwing furniture. Students who throw things or otherwise abuse their teachers or classmates should not be in mainstream classrooms. Sympathy for their parents doesn’t change that.

Shouldn’t this be called attempted murder?!

[Anonymous]

Why do we have to pass by “unhoused” people many of whom are demonstrating anti social and dangerous behaviors? Because there is nowhere to put them and if there was, there is no mechanism to put them there!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Unpopular opinion but LRE is not beneficial for the students its in place for. So many children need to be in a resource room in order to receive the support and services they need. This is both academically and behaviorally. In theory, it looks great on paper and it sounds great for equity. However, in practice, it is not best practice for all of the students in the classroom.

I think this as well.

That post doesn't even make sense. How can you think that as well?

DP… it makes perfect sense if you have a brain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1. Parents are in denial that their child has a problem and won't allow it
2. Central office will not allow a placement until you've collected so much data. And then they tell you that you need to collect more. Or that you collected it wrong. Anything to avoid a special placement that costs so much money. The strategy is to delay and deny.
3. There aren't enough special ed teachers now to handle all the pandemic kids, or the special ed kids in general, and you want to add more?
4. Least Restrictive Environment. Every child is to be placed I the Least Restrictive Environment where they can succeed. Oh, they can't succeed in a mainstream class? See 1, 2, and 3 above

Former MCPS elementary teacher here...this!!! The amount of data collection, lack of alternate placements, and some ratchet parents is what gets us in this viscous cycle over and over again. My last year teaching third grade I had about twenty-five students but two of these students constantly fought, hit, kicked, cursed, etc. It made it feel like I had twenty more kids in the room. I was always amazed at how desensitized the other twenty-three students became to the antics of the two "high flyers". Honestly, it's sad that they got used to being in such a volatile environment. This wasn't even a Title One school...just your average upper MoCo ES. As soon as my husband said I could stay home, I resigned. It's been the best four months of my life to be out of the dumpster fire that is MCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't have a dog in this fight but you all should be so very grateful that you do not have a child who has these challenges. Take just a moment and think what it must be like for those parents.

One can feel sympathy for the families dealing with these issues, and also recognize that the current policies don’t work. Kids should not have to evacuate a classroom because their classmate is throwing furniture. Students who throw things or otherwise abuse their teachers or classmates should not be in mainstream classrooms. Sympathy for their parents doesn’t change that.

Shouldn’t this be called attempted murder?!

throwing a tub of playdoh is attempted murder?

[Anonymous]

I think money is the issue. That's why schools are hesitant to provide 1-1 aides, they simply can't afford it. And a lot of these kids are behavioral problems that could have been helped by better discipline at home, less trauma, or more consistent parents. Seems like parents should have to pay for private placements, which is what used to happen when kids got kicked out of school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because some people in charge decided that all kids are equal and deserve an equal education.

They aren't and they don't. You'll never change my mind.

DD suffered to the point of us pulling her out of school during 4th grade because of a disruptive and violent student in her class. She had to start seeing a therapist. She was diagnosed with anxiety and PTSD. She was always on edge waiting for the student's next explosive episode. She dreaded any partner activities or even lining up to leave the classroom because she didn't want to be with that student or be next to him in line. He hit the teacher multiple times. He destroyed the classroom three times to the point where the other students had to finish out the day in the library because it was so trashed. One kid pulled out of school around Xmas break after he was hit with a chair the disruptive student threw.

By the end of the school year, parents in the class told me that the kid sat alone and worked alone because all the parents had requested their kids not be grouped with him or sat near him.

DD is in high school now. She'll still freeze up in situations where people are screaming because it makes her flashback to the kid. She used to love going to sporting events but even those triggered her now. She tried going to her HS homecoming game 2 weekends ago and ended up calling me for a ride about 30 minutes in.

You are horrible. Don’t you realize someone out there thinks your child shouldn’t be in a regular school and would love to see her excluded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't have a dog in this fight but you all should be so very grateful that you do not have a child who has these challenges. Take just a moment and think what it must be like for those parents.

One can feel sympathy for the families dealing with these issues, and also recognize that the current policies don’t work. Kids should not have to evacuate a classroom because their classmate is throwing furniture. Students who throw things or otherwise abuse their teachers or classmates should not be in mainstream classrooms. Sympathy for their parents doesn’t change that.

This.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There’s no other placements available. There’s only a handful of settings that are appropriate and only well-connected parents know how to get their kids in one. Can’t afford to sue? Your child stays in the classroom, even if they maim someone.

+1 There are only a handful of settings and they can cost anywhere from $30-50$+ dollars of which the district must pay the cost(which may or may not have an adjustment). There are not enough Special education and counselors to help all kids. Some parents are in denial about their kids problems which makes getting them evaluated harder and takes longer.

The Central Office Special Education Assoc Superintendent is honest about all of these. She’s even briefed the BOE about these things.

The Special Education Associate Superintendent (who is an attorney BTW) is part of the problem, not the solution. Many parents are not in denial but face a continual road block from Central Office when it comes to the Special Education evaluation process. Obviously no child in the classroom is served by disruptive behavior. However, a child cannot be placed in a Special Education pull out program without a Special Education evaluation. MCPS drags out the process so it takes months or more if the team (including members from Central Office) determines more information is needed.

More money is needed for Special Education so students can be properly placed and receive the services they need.

There would also need to be placements for all the kids and funds for added services inside the classroom. Also where do you think additional funds are going to come from for Special Education? Every district already complains to the Federal Govt and their state about needing to fund IDEA.

[Anonymous]

Change the laws.

[Anonymous]

Self contained classes for these kids.

Cheaper than an aide or a placement

[Anonymous]

Make online school the default and in-person school for the kids who can behave.