Why should we take in Venezuelans?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because it is racist to turn down brown people. Everyone is welcome. America is not a racist country.

Won't low income black Americans suffer the most from such mass immigration ? Government benefits & private sector jobs will go to industrious, desperate immigrants instead of our own needy citizens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We shouldn't. Economic migration is not a reason to grant asylum.

Yet, Biden is granting TPP status to over 700,000 Venezuelans. And, he doesn't think this will be a magnet for more to come?
These people are leaving their socialist "utopia" for which they voted.

TPP is just that: temporary. It has an end. When the economy in Venezuela improves, the migrants will return to their country.

LOL. TPS is not "temporary". In the case of the designation of El Salvador as a TPS country, the grant has lasted 20+ years. It was initially granted in 2001. So that's not "temporary". Plus, the likelihood of returning home once you have entered the US is incredibly low - less then 10% (and that is high). The TPS designation for Venezuela (and so soon) has been a terrible idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because it is racist to turn down brown people. Everyone is welcome. America is not a racist country.

Won't low income black Americans suffer the most from such mass immigration ? Government benefits & private sector jobs will go to industrious, desperate immigrants instead of our own needy citizens.

Already happening in many D states

[Anonymous]

So basically, Trump is going to win because of this.

Can we please hire more immigration judges now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pregnant Venezuelan women have high rates of death in childbirth. They are doing whatever they can to walk to Colombia to give birth so that they survive childbirth.

Ok, and why is this the US’ problem? No country on earth is required to give people better healthcare. Hell, we need that for our own citizens.

Pro life indeed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So basically, Trump is going to win because of this.

Can we please hire more immigration judges now?

How can Trump win on Venezuelans. He protected Venezuelan immigrants. Why can't people get this through their heads? READ THE F'ING MEMO PEOPLE!! Practically the last thing he did before leaving office.

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/presidential-actions/memorandum-deferred-enforced-departure-certain-venezuelans/

[Anonymous]

Did not know this. Thanks for posting, OP. For those of you that are too lazy (or stubborn) to click on the link, Trump says the following:

"The deteriorative condition within Venezuela, which presents an ongoing national security threat to the safety and well-being of the American people, warrants the deferral of the removal of Venezuelan nationals who are present in the United States.

Pursuant to my constitutional authority to conduct the foreign relations of the United States, I have determined that it is in the foreign policy interest of the United States to defer the removal of any national of Venezuela, or alien without nationality who last habitually resided in Venezuela, subject to the conditions and exceptions provided below.

So if Trump thought it was in the foreign policy interest of the US to protect Venezuelans back in January of 2021 when he signed this memorandum--due to this argument: "Through force and fraud, the Maduro regime is responsible for the worst humanitarian crisis in the Western Hemisphere in recent memory. "A catastrophic economic crisis and shortages of basic goods and medicine have forced about five million Venezuelans to flee the country, often under dangerous conditions."--then surely the conditions described in the memorandum, which are even worse now than in 2021, justify the continued protection of Venezuelan migrants. Any questions resident Trump supporters?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did not know this. Thanks for posting, OP. For those of you that are too lazy (or stubborn) to click on the link, Trump says the following:

"The deteriorative condition within Venezuela, which presents an ongoing national security threat to the safety and well-being of the American people, warrants the deferral of the removal of Venezuelan nationals who are present in the United States.

Pursuant to my constitutional authority to conduct the foreign relations of the United States, I have determined that it is in the foreign policy interest of the United States to defer the removal of any national of Venezuela, or alien without nationality who last habitually resided in Venezuela, subject to the conditions and exceptions provided below.

So if Trump thought it was in the foreign policy interest of the US to protect Venezuelans back in January of 2021 when he signed this memorandum--due to this argument: "Through force and fraud, the Maduro regime is responsible for the worst humanitarian crisis in the Western Hemisphere in recent memory. "A catastrophic economic crisis and shortages of basic goods and medicine have forced about five million Venezuelans to flee the country, often under dangerous conditions."--then surely the conditions described in the memorandum, which are even worse now than in 2021, justify the continued protection of Venezuelan migrants. Any questions resident Trump supporters?

I am not a Trump supporter. The EO listed above is vastly different from a TPS grant. It is a stay of removal. Both are legal terms of art which grant varying degrees of benefit. Trump was essentially forced to stay removal because we can’t remove individuals to countries that we have no diplomatic ties with. It becomes very difficult. So he just pushed pause on court decisions

TPS grants status and work authorization for 18 months to be extended what could be indefinitely. It was also registered for those physically present thru 08/23, after the summers huge migrant waves. This act incentives the caravan crossings both past and present, while Trump only paused removal for VZ nationals already in US.

I hate Trump but his action was nowhere near the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Biden Administration has now manufactured a humanitarian crisis at our southern border with record numbers nothing seen once before in our entire history:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/unlawful-crossings-along-southern-u-001917149.html


Millions of Venezuelans are trying to flee their crappy economy and have settled in Peru or Colombia. But now they’ve changed their mind and want to move on from those countries to Los estados unidos.

I’m sorry, but why is it the US’ responsibility to take in Venezuela’s entire population because they ruined their own economy electing in socialist idiots into office? Where in world law does it state that any country is required to offer asylum to economic migrants? They already found safe harbor to Colombia and Peru, so you cannot claim they’re escaping persecution from government. Biden has made a disaster of the border and the message is clear - if you want better economic opportunities head to the states, no waiting in line is necessary. Just walk in. Absolutely disgusting.

look we could either expand healthcare/medicaid to help US poor citizens.

or we could import millions of illegal aliens.

which would you do with someone elses money? when your own family has healthcare?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did not know this. Thanks for posting, OP. For those of you that are too lazy (or stubborn) to click on the link, Trump says the following:

"The deteriorative condition within Venezuela, which presents an ongoing national security threat to the safety and well-being of the American people, warrants the deferral of the removal of Venezuelan nationals who are present in the United States.

Pursuant to my constitutional authority to conduct the foreign relations of the United States, I have determined that it is in the foreign policy interest of the United States to defer the removal of any national of Venezuela, or alien without nationality who last habitually resided in Venezuela, subject to the conditions and exceptions provided below.

So if Trump thought it was in the foreign policy interest of the US to protect Venezuelans back in January of 2021 when he signed this memorandum--due to this argument: "Through force and fraud, the Maduro regime is responsible for the worst humanitarian crisis in the Western Hemisphere in recent memory. "A catastrophic economic crisis and shortages of basic goods and medicine have forced about five million Venezuelans to flee the country, often under dangerous conditions."--then surely the conditions described in the memorandum, which are even worse now than in 2021, justify the continued protection of Venezuelan migrants. Any questions resident Trump supporters?

I am not a Trump supporter. The EO listed above is vastly different from a TPS grant. It is a stay of removal. Both are legal terms of art which grant varying degrees of benefit. Trump was essentially forced to stay removal because we can’t remove individuals to countries that we have no diplomatic ties with. It becomes very difficult. So he just pushed pause on court decisions

TPS grants status and work authorization for 18 months to be extended what could be indefinitely. It was also registered for those physically present thru 08/23, after the summers huge migrant waves. This act incentives the caravan crossings both past and present, while Trump only paused removal for VZ nationals already in US.

I hate Trump but his action was nowhere near the same.

1. Please actually click on the link and read the promises, which included employment.
1. Trump wasn't forced to do anything. He signed this a few days before leaving office.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did not know this. Thanks for posting, OP. For those of you that are too lazy (or stubborn) to click on the link, Trump says the following:

"The deteriorative condition within Venezuela, which presents an ongoing national security threat to the safety and well-being of the American people, warrants the deferral of the removal of Venezuelan nationals who are present in the United States.

Pursuant to my constitutional authority to conduct the foreign relations of the United States, I have determined that it is in the foreign policy interest of the United States to defer the removal of any national of Venezuela, or alien without nationality who last habitually resided in Venezuela, subject to the conditions and exceptions provided below.

So if Trump thought it was in the foreign policy interest of the US to protect Venezuelans back in January of 2021 when he signed this memorandum--due to this argument: "Through force and fraud, the Maduro regime is responsible for the worst humanitarian crisis in the Western Hemisphere in recent memory. "A catastrophic economic crisis and shortages of basic goods and medicine have forced about five million Venezuelans to flee the country, often under dangerous conditions."--then surely the conditions described in the memorandum, which are even worse now than in 2021, justify the continued protection of Venezuelan migrants. Any questions resident Trump supporters?

I am not a Trump supporter. The EO listed above is vastly different from a TPS grant. It is a stay of removal. Both are legal terms of art which grant varying degrees of benefit. Trump was essentially forced to stay removal because we can’t remove individuals to countries that we have no diplomatic ties with. It becomes very difficult. So he just pushed pause on court decisions

TPS grants status and work authorization for 18 months to be extended what could be indefinitely. It was also registered for those physically present thru 08/23, after the summers huge migrant waves. This act incentives the caravan crossings both past and present, while Trump only paused removal for VZ nationals already in US.

I hate Trump but his action was nowhere near the same.

1. Please actually click on the link and read the promises, which included employment.
1. Trump wasn't forced to do anything. He signed this a few days before leaving office.

I have read this a dozen times. I know what it granted and didn't, and what was fluff. Trump did not grant employment authorization. That can only be done via TPS designation. If he wanted to grant TPS, he could've pushed it, but he didn't because that is not what the aim was. This release was a political gesture and nothing more. It also stayed removal because that is what was required.

You do no understand what you are reading nor the alleged implications.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So basically, Trump is going to win because of this.

Can we please hire more immigration judges now?

This is a big issue with Hispanic voters. Particularly the redesignation for summer 2023. Biden resdesignated to allow all the migrant caravans to qualify for TPS, which incentives caravan migration and the situation that we have at the border. I would say this will definitely impact Florida, as many Vz citizens who immigrated previously live there. As my SIL from VZ explained to me, she won't be voting for Biden because she "escaped VZ to get away from these people". The talk in the VZ community is that the current wave are the vagrants who have caused all the crime in their communities and they do not want them here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So basically, Trump is going to win because of this.

Can we please hire more immigration judges now?

This is a big issue with Hispanic voters. Particularly the redesignation for summer 2023. Biden resdesignated to allow all the migrant caravans to qualify for TPS, which incentives caravan migration and the situation that we have at the border. I would say this will definitely impact Florida, as many Vz citizens who immigrated previously live there. As my SIL from VZ explained to me, she won't be voting for Biden because she "escaped VZ to get away from these people". The talk in the VZ community is that the current wave are the vagrants who have caused all the crime in their communities and they do not want them here.

This is similar to the way South American and Central American immigrants in my western Fairfax community feel. For several it feels like letting the fox into the henhouse. They feel less safe which is scary given how closed-off the immigrant community can be here. It is tricky.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Venezuelans are lying homeless in the streets in Colombia. Not a lot of opportunity there. It's a tough situation.

We need secure borders and a functional immigration system.

"Other people are suffering. But I want to protect the privileges I have just b/c I was lucky enough to be born here."

Gross.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because immigration is the founding principal of our nation. Without it, we wouldn't exist.

Immigration is not part of any of the founding principles of our nation. There is no Constitutional right to immigrate.