Europe investigating suicidal thoughts with weight loss drugs

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

NP, and it's a valid theory, and could be concerning. The most successful people I know regarding weightloss and maintenance, are people who've developed a regular exercise regimen - precisely because they've redirected emotional eating with a healthier emotional outlet.

People are obese for only a few reasons. 1) They grew up in families with poor eating habits and don't know better, 2) they're eating to fulfill an emotional need (often unaware). Very, very, very few people are obese because they have a true metabolic disorder.

If you take a drug for weightloss and don't deal with the mental/emotional stuff (or redirect it with a healthy outlet), it doesn't go away.

And yes, I've personally been on all sides of this coin.

Gosh you are ignorant. Stop advertising your lack of scientific understanding.

It’s all some elaborate metabolic disorder for sure. All of it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

It’s a plainly idiotic theory. Seriously, when did we start entertaining the ramblings of the scientifically illiterate so much in this society? Dumb theories should be laughed at and tossed, not considered because someone threw together an incoherent stream of words.

You are welcome to ignore it. That’s the very definition of not entertaining it. The opposite is shouting people down. We have seen how effective that is recently.

No. Scientific illiteracy like the PPs stupid “theory” needs to be called out. The non-response to idiotic theories causes massive health crises in our world. Arrant nonsense like what the PP wrote keeps people from getting true help for the medical problem of obesity (which includes evaluation for drugs like Wegovy).

By the way, I also think HAES is scientifically illiterate nonsense that needs to be called out. There is stupidity on all sides of this discussion.

[Anonymous]

Im in ozempic and this does not concern me. I’m down 30lbs and off all drugs, except ozempic. I used to be on blood pressure meds, statins, SSRIs and gabapentin.

I can’t speak for others, but this has been a miracle for my mental and physical health. Oddly I also no longer have migraines. I’m also not diabetic. I take ozempic purely for weight loss and the co morbidities that went along with obesity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

It’s a plainly idiotic theory. Seriously, when did we start entertaining the ramblings of the scientifically illiterate so much in this society? Dumb theories should be laughed at and tossed, not considered because someone threw together an incoherent stream of words.

Hit a nerve?

"I said something dumb and someone called me on it."

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"The fact that I'm being criticized proves how right I am!"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

It’s a plainly idiotic theory. Seriously, when did we start entertaining the ramblings of the scientifically illiterate so much in this society? Dumb theories should be laughed at and tossed, not considered because someone threw together an incoherent stream of words.

Hit a nerve?

"I said something dumb and someone called me on it."

OR

"The fact that I'm being criticized proves how right I am!"

OR
The fact that you hit back repeatedly and so hard and using abusive language betrays your hyper-sensitivity. Your reaction to someone's opinion is disproportionate to what was written. You chose to use abusive language even though no one else here did.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

It’s a plainly idiotic theory. Seriously, when did we start entertaining the ramblings of the scientifically illiterate so much in this society? Dumb theories should be laughed at and tossed, not considered because someone threw together an incoherent stream of words.

Hit a nerve?

"I said something dumb and someone called me on it."

OR

"The fact that I'm being criticized proves how right I am!"

OR
The fact that you hit back repeatedly and so hard and using abusive language betrays your hyper-sensitivity. Your reaction to someone's opinion is disproportionate to what was written. You chose to use abusive language even though no one else here did.

NP.
“Idiotic/dumb theory” and “scientifically illiterate” is abusive language?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

It’s a plainly idiotic theory. Seriously, when did we start entertaining the ramblings of the scientifically illiterate so much in this society? Dumb theories should be laughed at and tossed, not considered because someone threw together an incoherent stream of words.

Hit a nerve?

"I said something dumb and someone called me on it."

OR

"The fact that I'm being criticized proves how right I am!"

OR
The fact that you hit back repeatedly and so hard and using abusive language betrays your hyper-sensitivity. Your reaction to someone's opinion is disproportionate to what was written. You chose to use abusive language even though no one else here did.

You've got the wrong guy there, professor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

NP, and it's a valid theory, and could be concerning. The most successful people I know regarding weightloss and maintenance, are people who've developed a regular exercise regimen - precisely because they've redirected emotional eating with a healthier emotional outlet.

People are obese for only a few reasons. 1) They grew up in families with poor eating habits and don't know better, 2) they're eating to fulfill an emotional need (often unaware). Very, very, very few people are obese because they have a true metabolic disorder.

If you take a drug for weightloss and don't deal with the mental/emotional stuff (or redirect it with a healthy outlet), it doesn't go away.

And yes, I've personally been on all sides of this coin.

Gosh you are ignorant. Stop advertising your lack of scientific understanding.

It’s actually true.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4372842/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

NP, and it's a valid theory, and could be concerning. The most successful people I know regarding weightloss and maintenance, are people who've developed a regular exercise regimen - precisely because they've redirected emotional eating with a healthier emotional outlet.

People are obese for only a few reasons. 1) They grew up in families with poor eating habits and don't know better, 2) they're eating to fulfill an emotional need (often unaware). Very, very, very few people are obese because they have a true metabolic disorder.

If you take a drug for weightloss and don't deal with the mental/emotional stuff (or redirect it with a healthy outlet), it doesn't go away.

And yes, I've personally been on all sides of this coin.

Gosh you are ignorant. Stop advertising your lack of scientific understanding.

It’s actually true.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4372842/

This is an article on bariatric surgery and notes that the data are limited, what data there is includes anecdotal reports, and the outcome is uncommon. But, other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

It’s a plainly idiotic theory. Seriously, when did we start entertaining the ramblings of the scientifically illiterate so much in this society? Dumb theories should be laughed at and tossed, not considered because someone threw together an incoherent stream of words.

Hit a nerve?

"I said something dumb and someone called me on it."

OR

"The fact that I'm being criticized proves how right I am!"

OR
The fact that you hit back repeatedly and so hard and using abusive language betrays your hyper-sensitivity. Your reaction to someone's opinion is disproportionate to what was written. You chose to use abusive language even though no one else here did.

NP.
“Idiotic/dumb theory” and “scientifically illiterate” is abusive language?

Apparently that PP believes that anything other than fawning validation is “abusive.” 🙄

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

It’s a plainly idiotic theory. Seriously, when did we start entertaining the ramblings of the scientifically illiterate so much in this society? Dumb theories should be laughed at and tossed, not considered because someone threw together an incoherent stream of words.

Hit a nerve?

"I said something dumb and someone called me on it."

OR

"The fact that I'm being criticized proves how right I am!"

OR
The fact that you hit back repeatedly and so hard and using abusive language betrays your hyper-sensitivity. Your reaction to someone's opinion is disproportionate to what was written. You chose to use abusive language even though no one else here did.

NP.
“Idiotic/dumb theory” and “scientifically illiterate” is abusive language?

Apparently that PP believes that anything other than fawning validation is “abusive.” 🙄

Ok, so you are completely mentally healthy and have an endocrine disorder which has caused your high weight and bad mood. Enjoy the injections and weight loss.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

It’s a plainly idiotic theory. Seriously, when did we start entertaining the ramblings of the scientifically illiterate so much in this society? Dumb theories should be laughed at and tossed, not considered because someone threw together an incoherent stream of words.

Hit a nerve?

"I said something dumb and someone called me on it."

OR

"The fact that I'm being criticized proves how right I am!"

OR
The fact that you hit back repeatedly and so hard and using abusive language betrays your hyper-sensitivity. Your reaction to someone's opinion is disproportionate to what was written. You chose to use abusive language even though no one else here did.

NP.
“Idiotic/dumb theory” and “scientifically illiterate” is abusive language?

Apparently that PP believes that anything other than fawning validation is “abusive.” 🙄

Ok, so you are completely mentally healthy and have an endocrine disorder which has caused your high weight and bad mood. Enjoy the injections and weight loss.

You say this with sarcasm and nastiness on your tongue but I imagine that they will do just that. But other PP you are being nasty and ignorant too. A lot of times people lose the weight and DO struggle with a lot of emotions and issues because weight gain frequently (not always) IS tied to a lot of emotions. And losing the weight does not automatically solve those issues.

It is also true that sometimes people lose weight and fill it with another addiction. And that COULD explain some increase in suicidal ideation among users.

I lost 60 pounds before these drugs came on the market. I would have taken them in a heartbeat after struggling with my weight for decades. I have no judgement for them. But like all medical interventions it is likely that there are some side effects. And its important to know what they are so when doctors prescribe these medications they can be on the lookout for any side effects in their patients.

People saying that these drugs are cheating and should be avoided are idiots and jerks.

People saying these drugs are universally harmless and think it is a medical intervention that should be meted out without any caution or monitoring are also idiots. Any medical intervention should be studied so risks can be mitigated and successes can be improved upon. THAT is science.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

It’s a plainly idiotic theory. Seriously, when did we start entertaining the ramblings of the scientifically illiterate so much in this society? Dumb theories should be laughed at and tossed, not considered because someone threw together an incoherent stream of words.

Hit a nerve?

"I said something dumb and someone called me on it."

OR

"The fact that I'm being criticized proves how right I am!"

OR
The fact that you hit back repeatedly and so hard and using abusive language betrays your hyper-sensitivity. Your reaction to someone's opinion is disproportionate to what was written. You chose to use abusive language even though no one else here did.

NP.
“Idiotic/dumb theory” and “scientifically illiterate” is abusive language?

Apparently that PP believes that anything other than fawning validation is “abusive.” 🙄

Ok, so you are completely mentally healthy and have an endocrine disorder which has caused your high weight and bad mood. Enjoy the injections and weight loss.

You say this with sarcasm and nastiness on your tongue but I imagine that they will do just that. But other PP you are being nasty and ignorant too. A lot of times people lose the weight and DO struggle with a lot of emotions and issues because weight gain frequently (not always) IS tied to a lot of emotions. And losing the weight does not automatically solve those issues.

It is also true that sometimes people lose weight and fill it with another addiction. And that COULD explain some increase in suicidal ideation among users.

I lost 60 pounds before these drugs came on the market. I would have taken them in a heartbeat after struggling with my weight for decades. I have no judgement for them. But like all medical interventions it is likely that there are some side effects. And its important to know what they are so when doctors prescribe these medications they can be on the lookout for any side effects in their patients.

People saying that these drugs are cheating and should be avoided are idiots and jerks.

People saying these drugs are universally harmless and think it is a medical intervention that should be meted out without any caution or monitoring are also idiots. Any medical intervention should be studied so risks can be mitigated and successes can be improved upon. THAT is science.

This seems like a very reasonable view of the situation. We'll see how it goes, but, before starting with semaglutide, my wife saw a counselor for the better part of a year regarding her body image issues and her relationship to food; and also saw a dietician during that same period. Hard to tell the chicken from the egg in this situation -- did the weight lead to the body image issues and emotional issues related to food, or was it vice versa? She's losing weight pretty steadily on the medication. Jury's out on whether the emotional impact will be positive, negative, or a wash.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

It’s a plainly idiotic theory. Seriously, when did we start entertaining the ramblings of the scientifically illiterate so much in this society? Dumb theories should be laughed at and tossed, not considered because someone threw together an incoherent stream of words.

Hit a nerve?

"I said something dumb and someone called me on it."

OR

"The fact that I'm being criticized proves how right I am!"

OR
The fact that you hit back repeatedly and so hard and using abusive language betrays your hyper-sensitivity. Your reaction to someone's opinion is disproportionate to what was written. You chose to use abusive language even though no one else here did.

She is livid when anyone asks anything about these drugs - with the understanding that of course all drugs have side effects and it would be great to stem and reverse the obesity crisis. She’s still nucking futs all day, every day, on this topic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

It’s a plainly idiotic theory. Seriously, when did we start entertaining the ramblings of the scientifically illiterate so much in this society? Dumb theories should be laughed at and tossed, not considered because someone threw together an incoherent stream of words.

Hit a nerve?

"I said something dumb and someone called me on it."

OR

"The fact that I'm being criticized proves how right I am!"

OR
The fact that you hit back repeatedly and so hard and using abusive language betrays your hyper-sensitivity. Your reaction to someone's opinion is disproportionate to what was written. You chose to use abusive language even though no one else here did.

She is livid when anyone asks anything about these drugs - with the understanding that of course all drugs have side effects and it would be great to stem and reverse the obesity crisis. She’s still nucking futs all day, every day, on this topic.

It’s the same poster that acts like interpreting studies is some sort of gifted intellectual exercise when it isn’t. Anything that can’t be read and understood with a modest amount of background is poorly written. I suspect this poster is like the IT guy from Saturday night live 20 years ago. Likely does not spend time actually interacting with other humans. Definitely not in person.