Just noticed the top flagships (besides in Ca) are all in red/purple states rather than blue ones

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Anonymous wrote:What’s wrong with that? Other than MIT (private), Georgetown (private), and Purdue (public in a red state), many Southern schools are going back to requiring SAT/ACT. Lead by Florida. They are emphasizing meritocracy rather than DEI BS. On the other hand, UC has made standardized test irrelevant (not just test optional). It will take a while, as sea change doesn’t happen overnight, but in the future schools in red states will dominate over blue states in STEM. Science doesn’t care about the color of your skin, whether you are straight or LGBTQ, or whether your parents are rich or poor.

By take a while...meaning like hundreds of years (or maybe never)? Leading in STEM has little to do with who attends the university vs. where the research is happening and the research $$$s are going. Florida certainly isn't doing much to attract the best and brightest professors...and I doubt the Moms for Liberty or similar crowds has any interest or understanding of STEM fields.

dp.. but I think you will find that the public schools that care less about DEI will start attracting stronger STEM students. Most of the FL universities aren't as strong in STEM like GATech or Purdue.

Since you mentioned GaTech and Purdue—both are very strong in STEM and both are in red states. 😊

1. GA is purple trending blue
2. Yes, that was my point to the PP that these large publics will attract stronger STEM students

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Anonymous wrote:What’s wrong with that? Other than MIT (private), Georgetown (private), and Purdue (public in a red state), many Southern schools are going back to requiring SAT/ACT. Lead by Florida. They are emphasizing meritocracy rather than DEI BS. On the other hand, UC has made standardized test irrelevant (not just test optional). It will take a while, as sea change doesn’t happen overnight, but in the future schools in red states will dominate over blue states in STEM. Science doesn’t care about the color of your skin, whether you are straight or LGBTQ, or whether your parents are rich or poor.

By take a while...meaning like hundreds of years (or maybe never)? Leading in STEM has little to do with who attends the university vs. where the research is happening and the research $$$s are going. Florida certainly isn't doing much to attract the best and brightest professors...and I doubt the Moms for Liberty or similar crowds has any interest or understanding of STEM fields.

The future IS about STEM. You think history majors and LBGTQ majors can do anything to make our lives better and also defeat China in arms race?

Even if you think the future IS STEM...Florida ain't leading in it. People love to mention how CA is bleeding people and $$$s...yet the sheer number of kids going to UC schools for STEM, the research and VC $$$s going into STEM in CA are massive...like literally 1,000x what is happening in FL.

Just because the admissions criteria are different, doesn't mean there aren't plenty of super smart kids going to the UC schools for STEM.

UC schools have the benefit of a large Asian American CA population who tend to major in STEM. UC schools don't use SATs, but they will take the top x% of every HS.

Look at Cal and UCLA Asian American population..it's very high. They won't ever hurt for strong STEM students.

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Anonymous wrote:Very interesting

See: WI, NC, GA, FL, TX, VA, MI

Inevitably these college towns are overwhelmingly blue. Very interesting.

It is like in a sea of ignorance, racism and hate in the state, these college towns are islands of knowledge, hope and sanity. Maybe the crazy red general population is driving the sane intelligent blue individuals of these states to these colleges as a place of refuge.

I would plus one this but it's not quite there. Yes, these college towns are overwhelmingly blue. ATX is super blue, eg. The second part of PP's statement is questionable. Most red states are not "seas of ignorance, racism and hate". I'm done with the DC liberal extremism - and yes, I'm a progressive voter myself. The vast majority of states in the US are pretty evenly split - just like the US overall. We're a 50/50 (Ok, 53/47) type country. Texas, for example, is not that far off with 52/46 (5.8M for Trump, and 5.2M for Biden). that means that there's a huge number of progressives with a majority of TX big cities (Hou, SAT, ATX, DAL,etc) with progressive city gov'ts.

And GA? I mean, did no one watch the GA election results? Every PP on this board should know damn well how narrow the margins are in GA. This means that it is not a sea of anything put a pretty good mix of all types of voters, ideologies, and worldviews.

Knowing that we are nearly evenly split with a ton of blue and red voters in high population states like FL, VA, NC, GA, and TX, why do people like the PP speak in such ridiculous falsehoods?

The hyperbole is just too much. On both sides.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s wrong with that? Other than MIT (private), Georgetown (private), and Purdue (public in a red state), many Southern schools are going back to requiring SAT/ACT. Lead by Florida. They are emphasizing meritocracy rather than DEI BS. On the other hand, UC has made standardized test irrelevant (not just test optional). It will take a while, as sea change doesn’t happen overnight, but in the future schools in red states will dominate over blue states in STEM. Science doesn’t care about the color of your skin, whether you are straight or LGBTQ, or whether your parents are rich or poor.

if you think the ACT/SAT are a test of anything other than, you know, taking a test, then I don't know what to tell you. It isn't a test of either knowledge or skill.

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Anonymous wrote:US News just ranked Florida’s education the nation’s #1.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education

They don’t give &$@ about DEI nonsense. They teach real knowledge. They respect our Founding Fathers.

They respect real knowledge so much that they want to gloss over the parts that don't include people of color, unless they are happy minstrals thanking their "massa's" for the roof and food they got for picking fruit and cotton

And the Founding Fathers were great, but they also had flaws. Why not understand those flaws so we can continue to make our union more perfect, rather than revert to the 1840's as the GOP seems to prefer?

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Anonymous wrote:Very interesting

See: WI, NC, GA, FL, TX, VA, MI

If we could eliminate gerrymandering, they'd all be blue.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Very interesting

See: WI, NC, GA, FL, TX, VA, MI

Inevitably these college towns are overwhelmingly blue. Very interesting.

It is like in a sea of ignorance, racism and hate in the state, these college towns are islands of knowledge, hope and sanity. Maybe the crazy red general population is driving the sane intelligent blue individuals of these states to these colleges as a place of refuge.

I would plus one this but it's not quite there. Yes, these college towns are overwhelmingly blue. ATX is super blue, eg. The second part of PP's statement is questionable. Most red states are not "seas of ignorance, racism and hate". I'm done with the DC liberal extremism - and yes, I'm a progressive voter myself. The vast majority of states in the US are pretty evenly split - just like the US overall. We're a 50/50 (Ok, 53/47) type country. Texas, for example, is not that far off with 52/46 (5.8M for Trump, and 5.2M for Biden). that means that there's a huge number of progressives with a majority of TX big cities (Hou, SAT, ATX, DAL,etc) with progressive city gov'ts.

And GA? I mean, did no one watch the GA election results? Every PP on this board should know damn well how narrow the margins are in GA. This means that it is not a sea of anything put a pretty good mix of all types of voters, ideologies, and worldviews.

Knowing that we are nearly evenly split with a ton of blue and red voters in high population states like FL, VA, NC, GA, and TX, why do people like the PP speak in such ridiculous falsehoods?

The hyperbole is just too much. On both sides.

DP...I think the PP was referring to the vast sea of red land masses with the blue urban dots. You likely taking the statement way too literally.

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Anonymous wrote:Very interesting

See: WI, NC, GA, FL, TX, VA, MI

If we could eliminate gerrymandering, they'd all be blue.

This.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s wrong with that? Other than MIT (private), Georgetown (private), and Purdue (public in a red state), many Southern schools are going back to requiring SAT/ACT. Lead by Florida. They are emphasizing meritocracy rather than DEI BS. On the other hand, UC has made standardized test irrelevant (not just test optional). It will take a while, as sea change doesn’t happen overnight, but in the future schools in red states will dominate over blue states in STEM. Science doesn’t care about the color of your skin, whether you are straight or LGBTQ, or whether your parents are rich or poor.

By take a while...meaning like hundreds of years (or maybe never)? Leading in STEM has little to do with who attends the university vs. where the research is happening and the research $$$s are going. Florida certainly isn't doing much to attract the best and brightest professors...and I doubt the Moms for Liberty or similar crowds has any interest or understanding of STEM fields.

The future IS about STEM. You think history majors and LBGTQ majors can do anything to make our lives better and also defeat China in arms race?

Even if you think the future IS STEM...Florida ain't leading in it. People love to mention how CA is bleeding people and $$$s...yet the sheer number of kids going to UC schools for STEM, the research and VC $$$s going into STEM in CA are massive...like literally 1,000x what is happening in FL.

Just because the admissions criteria are different, doesn't mean there aren't plenty of super smart kids going to the UC schools for STEM.

UC schools have the benefit of a large Asian American CA population who tend to major in STEM. UC schools don't use SATs, but they will take the top x% of every HS.

Look at Cal and UCLA Asian American population..it's very high. They won't ever hurt for strong STEM students.

Cal was something like 27% Asian which isn't a shock since there's a high Asian population and UC admissions have been race-blind for years.

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Anonymous wrote:Very interesting

See: WI, NC, GA, FL, TX, VA, MI

If we could eliminate gerrymandering, they'd all be blue.

....do you know what gerrymandering means

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Anonymous wrote:Very interesting

See: WI, NC, GA, FL, TX, VA, MI

If we could eliminate gerrymandering, they'd all be blue.

This.

We need better civics education in this country!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s wrong with that? Other than MIT (private), Georgetown (private), and Purdue (public in a red state), many Southern schools are going back to requiring SAT/ACT. Lead by Florida. They are emphasizing meritocracy rather than DEI BS. On the other hand, UC has made standardized test irrelevant (not just test optional). It will take a while, as sea change doesn’t happen overnight, but in the future schools in red states will dominate over blue states in STEM. Science doesn’t care about the color of your skin, whether you are straight or LGBTQ, or whether your parents are rich or poor.

By take a while...meaning like hundreds of years (or maybe never)? Leading in STEM has little to do with who attends the university vs. where the research is happening and the research $$$s are going. Florida certainly isn't doing much to attract the best and brightest professors...and I doubt the Moms for Liberty or similar crowds has any interest or understanding of STEM fields.

dp.. but I think you will find that the public schools that care less about DEI will start attracting stronger STEM students. Most of the FL universities aren't as strong in STEM like GATech or Purdue.

Since you mentioned GaTech and Purdue—both are very strong in STEM and both are in red states. 😊

1. GA is purple trending blue
2. Yes, that was my point to the PP that these large publics will attract stronger STEM students

GA is still red, although Herschel Walker didn’t help GOP’s cause. I heard that the voters at his alma mater, UGA, overwhelmingly voted against him. You have a point—college towns are overwhelmingly blue. Besides, Herschel Walker—what a character!

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Anonymous wrote:You've never noticed this before? That's why yankees always go south for college.

Yes. A lot of New Yorkers attend Bama.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s wrong with that? Other than MIT (private), Georgetown (private), and Purdue (public in a red state), many Southern schools are going back to requiring SAT/ACT. Lead by Florida. They are emphasizing meritocracy rather than DEI BS. On the other hand, UC has made standardized test irrelevant (not just test optional). It will take a while, as sea change doesn’t happen overnight, but in the future schools in red states will dominate over blue states in STEM. Science doesn’t care about the color of your skin, whether you are straight or LGBTQ, or whether your parents are rich or poor.

Lol. Conservatives don’t care about STEM or science.

Yes they do. They care about real science. They don’t care about junk science like global warming.

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Anonymous wrote:Very interesting

See: WI, NC, GA, FL, TX, VA, MI

If we could eliminate gerrymandering, they'd all be blue.

Pretty much. Most of these states are gerrymandered to be "red" and it doesn't really reflect the majority in the state.