Just noticed the top flagships (besides in Ca) are all in red/purple states rather than blue ones

[Anonymous]

US News just ranked Florida’s education the nation’s #1.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education

They don’t give &$@ about DEI nonsense. They teach real knowledge. They respect our Founding Fathers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:US News just ranked Florida’s education the nation’s #1.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/education

They don’t give &$@ about DEI nonsense. They teach real knowledge. They respect our Founding Fathers.

#1 in higher ed, but #14 in K-12. Meanwhile New Jersey is #1 in K-12 and Massachusetts is #2. #2 in higher education is solidly blue Washington State.

It's almost like respecting the founding fathers is totally unrelated to whether or not the schools are any good.

[Anonymous]

At least you admit that FL is #1 in higher ed, which is the topic of this forum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s wrong with that? Other than MIT (private), Georgetown (private), and Purdue (public in a red state), many Southern schools are going back to requiring SAT/ACT. Lead by Florida. They are emphasizing meritocracy rather than DEI BS. On the other hand, UC has made standardized test irrelevant (not just test optional). It will take a while, as sea change doesn’t happen overnight, but in the future schools in red states will dominate over blue states in STEM. Science doesn’t care about the color of your skin, whether you are straight or LGBTQ, or whether your parents are rich or poor.

By take a while...meaning like hundreds of years (or maybe never)? Leading in STEM has little to do with who attends the university vs. where the research is happening and the research $$$s are going. Florida certainly isn't doing much to attract the best and brightest professors...and I doubt the Moms for Liberty or similar crowds has any interest or understanding of STEM fields.

dp.. but I think you will find that the public schools that care less about DEI will start attracting stronger STEM students. Most of the FL universities aren't as strong in STEM like GATech or Purdue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s wrong with that? Other than MIT (private), Georgetown (private), and Purdue (public in a red state), many Southern schools are going back to requiring SAT/ACT. Lead by Florida. They are emphasizing meritocracy rather than DEI BS. On the other hand, UC has made standardized test irrelevant (not just test optional). It will take a while, as sea change doesn’t happen overnight, but in the future schools in red states will dominate over blue states in STEM. Science doesn’t care about the color of your skin, whether you are straight or LGBTQ, or whether your parents are rich or poor.

By take a while...meaning like hundreds of years (or maybe never)? Leading in STEM has little to do with who attends the university vs. where the research is happening and the research $$$s are going. Florida certainly isn't doing much to attract the best and brightest professors...and I doubt the Moms for Liberty or similar crowds has any interest or understanding of STEM fields.

dp.. but I think you will find that the public schools that care less about DEI will start attracting stronger STEM students. Most of the FL universities aren't as strong in STEM like GATech or Purdue.

Since you mentioned GaTech and Purdue—both are very strong in STEM and both are in red states. 😊

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What’s wrong with that? Other than MIT (private), Georgetown (private), and Purdue (public in a red state), many Southern schools are going back to requiring SAT/ACT. Lead by Florida. They are emphasizing meritocracy rather than DEI BS. On the other hand, UC has made standardized test irrelevant (not just test optional). It will take a while, as sea change doesn’t happen overnight, but in the future schools in red states will dominate over blue states in STEM. Science doesn’t care about the color of your skin, whether you are straight or LGBTQ, or whether your parents are rich or poor.

Lol. Conservatives don’t care about STEM or science.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s wrong with that? Other than MIT (private), Georgetown (private), and Purdue (public in a red state), many Southern schools are going back to requiring SAT/ACT. Lead by Florida. They are emphasizing meritocracy rather than DEI BS. On the other hand, UC has made standardized test irrelevant (not just test optional). It will take a while, as sea change doesn’t happen overnight, but in the future schools in red states will dominate over blue states in STEM. Science doesn’t care about the color of your skin, whether you are straight or LGBTQ, or whether your parents are rich or poor.

By take a while...meaning like hundreds of years (or maybe never)? Leading in STEM has little to do with who attends the university vs. where the research is happening and the research $$$s are going. Florida certainly isn't doing much to attract the best and brightest professors...and I doubt the Moms for Liberty or similar crowds has any interest or understanding of STEM fields.

The future IS about STEM. You think history majors and LBGTQ majors can do anything to make our lives better and also defeat China in arms race?

Even if you think the future IS STEM...Florida ain't leading in it. People love to mention how CA is bleeding people and $$$s...yet the sheer number of kids going to UC schools for STEM, the research and VC $$$s going into STEM in CA are massive...like literally 1,000x what is happening in FL.

Just because the admissions criteria are different, doesn't mean there aren't plenty of super smart kids going to the UC schools for STEM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At least you admit that FL is #1 in higher ed, which is the topic of this forum.

No the question is whether top flagships are red/purple states. USNWR isn't ranking that; they're ranking: "share of citizens in each state holding college degrees, as well as college graduation rates, the cost of in-state tuition and fees, and the burden of debt that college graduates carry." The #5 state on the list is Wyoming, whose flagship is a school with a 97% acceptance rate. I'm sure there are smart kids getting a great education in Laramie (there are in every big school), but that's not a "top flagship." The things that make you #1 on that particular USNWR list aren't the same as having a great public flagship university.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s wrong with that? Other than MIT (private), Georgetown (private), and Purdue (public in a red state), many Southern schools are going back to requiring SAT/ACT. Lead by Florida. They are emphasizing meritocracy rather than DEI BS. On the other hand, UC has made standardized test irrelevant (not just test optional). It will take a while, as sea change doesn’t happen overnight, but in the future schools in red states will dominate over blue states in STEM. Science doesn’t care about the color of your skin, whether you are straight or LGBTQ, or whether your parents are rich or poor.

By take a while...meaning like hundreds of years (or maybe never)? Leading in STEM has little to do with who attends the university vs. where the research is happening and the research $$$s are going. Florida certainly isn't doing much to attract the best and brightest professors...and I doubt the Moms for Liberty or similar crowds has any interest or understanding of STEM fields.

dp.. but I think you will find that the public schools that care less about DEI will start attracting stronger STEM students. Most of the FL universities aren't as strong in STEM like GATech or Purdue.

They may care less about DEI...but they also could care less about introducing religion and other conservative ideals into the curriculum as well. The founding fathers, the bible and religion are equally irrelevant to STEM.

[Anonymous]

In many of these states, it’s the only (or one of the only) “good” schools around. So a lot of the alumni and business energy goes into those schools.

Also the land grant program didn’t event start until sometime during the civil war and some of the schools you mentioned in the south were big reconstruction era programs with a lot of great funding. That helped them leapfrog as well.

[Anonymous]

You've never noticed this before? That's why yankees always go south for college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Very interesting

See: WI, NC, GA, FL, TX, VA, MI

Inevitably these college towns are overwhelmingly blue. Very interesting.

It is like in a sea of ignorance, racism and hate in the state, these college towns are islands of knowledge, hope and sanity. Maybe the crazy red general population is driving the sane intelligent blue individuals of these states to these colleges as a place of refuge.

Why is that very interesting? Of course college towns are overwhelmingly blue, that's where the professors live, and colleges shun conservatives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Very interesting

See: WI, NC, GA, FL, TX, VA, MI

Inevitably these college towns are overwhelmingly blue. Very interesting.

It is like in a sea of ignorance, racism and hate in the state, these college towns are islands of knowledge, hope and sanity. Maybe the crazy red general population is driving the sane intelligent blue individuals of these states to these colleges as a place of refuge.

Why is that very interesting? Of course college towns are overwhelmingly blue, that's where the professors live, and colleges shun conservatives.

It’s the opposite.

[Anonymous]

FL did attract a biomedical institutions from San Diego in the early 2000’s: Scripps in Jupiter, Torrey Pines in Port St. Lucie, and Burnham in Orlando. Max Planck Institute of Germany also set up a research institution in Jupiter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FL did attract a biomedical institutions from San Diego in the early 2000’s: Scripps in Jupiter, Torrey Pines in Port St. Lucie, and Burnham in Orlando. Max Planck Institute of Germany also set up a research institution in Jupiter.

True. But don't forget that blue Maryland attracted a few as well...

The Washington, D.C. region is home to one of the largest life sciences clusters in the U.S. with 500+ biotech firms, 2,000 life science companies, federal laboratories, federal agencies, world-renowned medical universities and centers, and plenty of funding and resources.