Classical education

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that you’re more upset about the PP than the fact that these neo-Nazis have co-opted the phrase. I suppose it doesn’t actually bother you that much.

Someone’s triggered.

You’re more upset that it was described as a liberal arts education than anything else.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that you’re more upset about the PP than the fact that these neo-Nazis have co-opted the phrase. I suppose it doesn’t actually bother you that much.

Someone’s triggered.

You’re more upset that it was described as a liberal arts education than anything else.

As a classical liberal, I’m not upset by the term at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that you’re more upset about the PP than the fact that these neo-Nazis have co-opted the phrase. I suppose it doesn’t actually bother you that much.

Someone’s triggered.

You’re more upset that it was described as a liberal arts education than anything else.

You’re not getting that “liberal arts” as understood now is *not the same thing* as classical education. Classical education has specific features of pedagogy and content that are inherent to the term. “Liberal arts” just means “not STEM” at this point.

Moreover, you thinking you can solve the supposed neo-nazi takeover of classical education by just *changing the name* is the height of absurdity. Changing a name does nothing; all it does is create a way for people who use the arbitrary correct term to show their moral superiority. That’s it, that’s the entire function.

Conversely, supposed the classical education schools actually *were* being coopted by white nationalist - eg using texts that denied the holocaust, skewed history and medicine to claim race superiority, etc. THAT would be a real problem that has absolutely nothing to do with the name of the pedagogy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When did the discussion turn from a classical education model to a classical christian education model? There are plenty of schools with a classical education model, some of them religious, that do not follow the Classical-
Christian model in that wiki, which seems to be a more recent thing.

Most of the schools suggested here are Christian. I know there is one DC charter school that claims to be classical (Latin). But as I understand it there would be many similarities between sexual and Christian classical education anyway.

Would love to hear some more suggestions for classical schools that are secular or would be OK for a non-Christian.

[Anonymous]

aaghh “secular” not sexual!!!!!

[Anonymous]

Our Savior Lutheran School inArlington. Writing, spelling, grammar, Saxon marh.

History could be more robust at the early grades but I’ve heard it gets better. Our child is in third grade. Warm community and the focus is on reading, writing, arithmetic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that you’re more upset about the PP than the fact that these neo-Nazis have co-opted the phrase. I suppose it doesn’t actually bother you that much.

Someone’s triggered.

You’re more upset that it was described as a liberal arts education than anything else.

You’re not getting that “liberal arts” as understood now is *not the same thing* as classical education. Classical education has specific features of pedagogy and content that are inherent to the term. “Liberal arts” just means “not STEM” at this point.

Moreover, you thinking you can solve the supposed neo-nazi takeover of classical education by just *changing the name* is the height of absurdity. Changing a name does nothing; all it does is create a way for people who use the arbitrary correct term to show their moral superiority. That’s it, that’s the entire function.

Conversely, supposed the classical education schools actually *were* being coopted by white nationalist - eg using texts that denied the holocaust, skewed history and medicine to claim race superiority, etc. THAT would be a real problem that has absolutely nothing to do with the name of the pedagogy.

It’s amusing that you’re going to such lengths to avoid association with liberal arts education but not with neo nazis. You’re avoiding using liberal arts because you think it shows some moral fiber not to be “liberal”. Everything, particularly religion, is virtue signaling.

If a liberal arts education can mean something different now than so can the meaning of a classical education. I was merely pointing out that it was funny that no one seemed to care about that. They were deriding the original post for merely suggesting it without considering it could be true.

And if you don’t think that “classical education” is slowly being co-opted to mean “non-woke” or “education where we don’t talk about non white people or read books by non white people” I think you’re mistaken. Just look at this thread - one person thinks it means you learn Latin and read Ovid. It’s not about the tripartite pedagogy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that you’re more upset about the PP than the fact that these neo-Nazis have co-opted the phrase. I suppose it doesn’t actually bother you that much.

Someone’s triggered.

You’re more upset that it was described as a liberal arts education than anything else.

You’re not getting that “liberal arts” as understood now is *not the same thing* as classical education. Classical education has specific features of pedagogy and content that are inherent to the term. “Liberal arts” just means “not STEM” at this point.

Moreover, you thinking you can solve the supposed neo-nazi takeover of classical education by just *changing the name* is the height of absurdity. Changing a name does nothing; all it does is create a way for people who use the arbitrary correct term to show their moral superiority. That’s it, that’s the entire function.

Conversely, supposed the classical education schools actually *were* being coopted by white nationalist - eg using texts that denied the holocaust, skewed history and medicine to claim race superiority, etc. THAT would be a real problem that has absolutely nothing to do with the name of the pedagogy.

What you describe in the last paragraph is not by any definition a classical education. Period.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that you’re more upset about the PP than the fact that these neo-Nazis have co-opted the phrase. I suppose it doesn’t actually bother you that much.

Someone’s triggered.

You’re more upset that it was described as a liberal arts education than anything else.

You’re not getting that “liberal arts” as understood now is *not the same thing* as classical education. Classical education has specific features of pedagogy and content that are inherent to the term. “Liberal arts” just means “not STEM” at this point.

Moreover, you thinking you can solve the supposed neo-nazi takeover of classical education by just *changing the name* is the height of absurdity. Changing a name does nothing; all it does is create a way for people who use the arbitrary correct term to show their moral superiority. That’s it, that’s the entire function.

Conversely, supposed the classical education schools actually *were* being coopted by white nationalist - eg using texts that denied the holocaust, skewed history and medicine to claim race superiority, etc. THAT would be a real problem that has absolutely nothing to do with the name of the pedagogy.

It’s amusing that you’re going to such lengths to avoid association with liberal arts education but not with neo nazis. You’re avoiding using liberal arts because you think it shows some moral fiber not to be “liberal”. Everything, particularly religion, is virtue signaling.

If a liberal arts education can mean something different now than so can the meaning of a classical education. I was merely pointing out that it was funny that no one seemed to care about that. They were deriding the original post for merely suggesting it without considering it could be true.

And if you don’t think that “classical education” is slowly being co-opted to mean “non-woke” or “education where we don’t talk about non white people or read books by non white people” I think you’re mistaken. Just look at this thread - one person thinks it means you learn Latin and read Ovid. It’s not about the tripartite pedagogy.

Yeah dude, just keep on digging that hole. You’re inventing a culture war fantast here to feed your own sense of superiority.

I have no problem with the term “liberal arts” - that’s your own puerile thinking, that somehow people are offended by the word “liberal”. It’s that “classical education” has a specific meaning that is not encompassed by the term “liberal arts.”

As for what “classical education” actually means, why not just look at the curriculums of the multiple schools listed here and get back to us with actual evidence of their racism. The fact that you lack the understanding is not the problem of the people on this thread who actually know what they are talking about.

You are like the absolute worst of supposed progressive/leftists. Creating culture wars wherever you go, more interested in demonstrating your superiority than actually supporting good policies and programs, or trying to understand other people’s actual values. I say this as a life-long democract. Just STOP making schools part of your culture wars.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that you’re more upset about the PP than the fact that these neo-Nazis have co-opted the phrase. I suppose it doesn’t actually bother you that much.

Are they really coopting it if you’re the only one who thinks that? Or are you in effect coopting it for them?

And reveling in your ignorance is a real hallmark of your classical education? Wouldn’t the right response be “wow if that’s true that would really suck and maybe I should look into it and determine if this is an issue”. Instead you just dismiss it. Clearly if it was true you don’t really care.

What’s true? What exactly are you trying to claim? Because Milo blathered something about Gibbon, we all have to cancel the term “classical education”?

I’m not the PP. I just think it’s amusing that it doesn’t seem to bother you in the least that “Milo” and his goons could have co-opted the phrase. You don’t even want to bother examining it, which is supposedly a hallmark of the education you claim to favor. It suggests that even it was true it doesn’t make you that uncomfortable to be associated with it.

So, your are suggesting that because Milo uses a word incorrectly, everyone should abandon their schools for fear of being misunderstood? You are giving the goons an awful lot of the power they crave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that you’re more upset about the PP than the fact that these neo-Nazis have co-opted the phrase. I suppose it doesn’t actually bother you that much.

Someone’s triggered.

You’re more upset that it was described as a liberal arts education than anything else.

You’re not getting that “liberal arts” as understood now is *not the same thing* as classical education. Classical education has specific features of pedagogy and content that are inherent to the term. “Liberal arts” just means “not STEM” at this point.

Moreover, you thinking you can solve the supposed neo-nazi takeover of classical education by just *changing the name* is the height of absurdity. Changing a name does nothing; all it does is create a way for people who use the arbitrary correct term to show their moral superiority. That’s it, that’s the entire function.

Conversely, supposed the classical education schools actually *were* being coopted by white nationalist - eg using texts that denied the holocaust, skewed history and medicine to claim race superiority, etc. THAT would be a real problem that has absolutely nothing to do with the name of the pedagogy.

What you describe in the last paragraph is not by any definition a classical education. Period.

PP here. Yes, that is my point. That the other PP is absurd because they aren’t/cannot point to any actual substanive issues. Their entire argument is “Milo used the word classical so you’re racist for doing it too!”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that you’re more upset about the PP than the fact that these neo-Nazis have co-opted the phrase. I suppose it doesn’t actually bother you that much.

Are they really coopting it if you’re the only one who thinks that? Or are you in effect coopting it for them?

And reveling in your ignorance is a real hallmark of your classical education? Wouldn’t the right response be “wow if that’s true that would really suck and maybe I should look into it and determine if this is an issue”. Instead you just dismiss it. Clearly if it was true you don’t really care.

What’s true? What exactly are you trying to claim? Because Milo blathered something about Gibbon, we all have to cancel the term “classical education”?

I’m not the PP. I just think it’s amusing that it doesn’t seem to bother you in the least that “Milo” and his goons could have co-opted the phrase. You don’t even want to bother examining it, which is supposedly a hallmark of the education you claim to favor. It suggests that even it was true it doesn’t make you that uncomfortable to be associated with it.

So, your are suggesting that because Milo uses a word incorrectly, everyone should abandon their schools for fear of being misunderstood? You are giving the goons an awful lot of the power they crave.

*exactly.* the purpose and function of trolls like OP is to create symbolic wars and in-out groups, which magnifies and empowers their “enemies.” Nothing at all to do with the underlying substance (education). I am very sick of it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that you’re more upset about the PP than the fact that these neo-Nazis have co-opted the phrase. I suppose it doesn’t actually bother you that much.

Are they really coopting it if you’re the only one who thinks that? Or are you in effect coopting it for them?

And reveling in your ignorance is a real hallmark of your classical education? Wouldn’t the right response be “wow if that’s true that would really suck and maybe I should look into it and determine if this is an issue”. Instead you just dismiss it. Clearly if it was true you don’t really care.

What’s true? What exactly are you trying to claim? Because Milo blathered something about Gibbon, we all have to cancel the term “classical education”?

I’m not the PP. I just think it’s amusing that it doesn’t seem to bother you in the least that “Milo” and his goons could have co-opted the phrase. You don’t even want to bother examining it, which is supposedly a hallmark of the education you claim to favor. It suggests that even it was true it doesn’t make you that uncomfortable to be associated with it.

So, your are suggesting that because Milo uses a word incorrectly, everyone should abandon their schools for fear of being misunderstood? You are giving the goons an awful lot of the power they crave.

Where I have said that people should abandon schools? What you should be doing is training all of your anger on people like Milo and Mr. classical Christian education to prevent them from taking over your phrase. You just want to live in denial and the next thing you know, it’s going to mean exactly what they want it to mean. You already have doofuses on this thread thinking it means studying classics and not the specific pedagogy, so the sacrosanct nature of your phrase has already been weakened.

You all clearly are upset about something but it’s misplaced. It’s not about wokeness or a culture war with the left. There is no progressive/leftist side to this. It’s you against the right wing. And you’re not even aware it’s a war because you rather drag someone who’s trying to point it out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that you’re more upset about the PP than the fact that these neo-Nazis have co-opted the phrase. I suppose it doesn’t actually bother you that much.

Are they really coopting it if you’re the only one who thinks that? Or are you in effect coopting it for them?

And reveling in your ignorance is a real hallmark of your classical education? Wouldn’t the right response be “wow if that’s true that would really suck and maybe I should look into it and determine if this is an issue”. Instead you just dismiss it. Clearly if it was true you don’t really care.

What’s true? What exactly are you trying to claim? Because Milo blathered something about Gibbon, we all have to cancel the term “classical education”?

I’m not the PP. I just think it’s amusing that it doesn’t seem to bother you in the least that “Milo” and his goons could have co-opted the phrase. You don’t even want to bother examining it, which is supposedly a hallmark of the education you claim to favor. It suggests that even it was true it doesn’t make you that uncomfortable to be associated with it.

So, your are suggesting that because Milo uses a word incorrectly, everyone should abandon their schools for fear of being misunderstood? You are giving the goons an awful lot of the power they crave.

Where I have said that people should abandon schools? What you should be doing is training all of your anger on people like Milo and Mr. classical Christian education to prevent them from taking over your phrase. You just want to live in denial and the next thing you know, it’s going to mean exactly what they want it to mean. You already have doofuses on this thread thinking it means studying classics and not the specific pedagogy, so the sacrosanct nature of your phrase has already been weakened.

You all clearly are upset about something but it’s misplaced. It’s not about wokeness or a culture war with the left. There is no progressive/leftist side to this. It’s you against the right wing. And you’re not even aware it’s a war because you rather drag someone who’s trying to point it out.

lol. “taking over your phrase.” you continue to believe that anyone cares about this. do you obsessively track Milo in order to be sure to cleanse the world of all phrases and words he uses? anyway it’s clear you know absolutely nothing about the topic here (classical education and classical schools in the area) so imma mute you now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it amusing that you’re more upset about the PP than the fact that these neo-Nazis have co-opted the phrase. I suppose it doesn’t actually bother you that much.

Are they really coopting it if you’re the only one who thinks that? Or are you in effect coopting it for them?

And reveling in your ignorance is a real hallmark of your classical education? Wouldn’t the right response be “wow if that’s true that would really suck and maybe I should look into it and determine if this is an issue”. Instead you just dismiss it. Clearly if it was true you don’t really care.

What’s true? What exactly are you trying to claim? Because Milo blathered something about Gibbon, we all have to cancel the term “classical education”?

I’m not the PP. I just think it’s amusing that it doesn’t seem to bother you in the least that “Milo” and his goons could have co-opted the phrase. You don’t even want to bother examining it, which is supposedly a hallmark of the education you claim to favor. It suggests that even it was true it doesn’t make you that uncomfortable to be associated with it.

So, your are suggesting that because Milo uses a word incorrectly, everyone should abandon their schools for fear of being misunderstood? You are giving the goons an awful lot of the power they crave.

Where I have said that people should abandon schools? What you should be doing is training all of your anger on people like Milo and Mr. classical Christian education to prevent them from taking over your phrase. You just want to live in denial and the next thing you know, it’s going to mean exactly what they want it to mean. You already have doofuses on this thread thinking it means studying classics and not the specific pedagogy, so the sacrosanct nature of your phrase has already been weakened.

You all clearly are upset about something but it’s misplaced. It’s not about wokeness or a culture war with the left. There is no progressive/leftist side to this. It’s you against the right wing. And you’re not even aware it’s a war because you rather drag someone who’s trying to point it out.

lol. “taking over your phrase.” you continue to believe that anyone cares about this. do you obsessively track Milo in order to be sure to cleanse the world of all phrases and words he uses? anyway it’s clear you know absolutely nothing about the topic here (classical education and classical schools in the area) so imma mute you now.

I know you don’t care. That’s the point. And muting me (whatever that means) is also par for the course.