Classical education

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hey, y’all, something to know is that the sudden interest in “classical” education has nothing to do with great books or Latin. It traces back to a 2016 Identity Evropa (white nationalist group) “Don’t forget your heritage” campaign, which was tied to visuals of Greek and Roman sculpture and architecture. Folks like Milo Yiannipolous followed on; Milo even went by the handle @nero on Twitter. As well, these folks had a sudden interest in the Edward Gibbons book The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, which was written in the 18th century. No, it’s not because a group suddenly became historically curious. Rather, they used Rome’s history to justify xenophobia and anti-immigrant rhetoric.

If OP is not aware of this, he/she now knows and can ask in more specific terms about the attributes his/her family wants in a school (small group seminars, reading the English canon, uniforms, whatever). If OP is aware of the loaded nature of “classical education,” then we should probably avoid normalizing and aiding this level of white supremacy.

I'm sure you are aware that classical education predates 2016 and Milo and social media. And has nothing to do with any of them.

I'm sure most people know that, but what may be news is that the term has been co-opted by the right-wingers whose goal is to eradicate public education (e.g., Hillsdale College's Classical Education charter schools)y. And they're winning! What we need to do is demand a classic education from our public schools without all the right-wing bullcrap.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey, y’all, something to know is that the sudden interest in “classical” education has nothing to do with great books or Latin. It traces back to a 2016 Identity Evropa (white nationalist group) “Don’t forget your heritage” campaign, which was tied to visuals of Greek and Roman sculpture and architecture. Folks like Milo Yiannipolous followed on; Milo even went by the handle @nero on Twitter. As well, these folks had a sudden interest in the Edward Gibbons book The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, which was written in the 18th century. No, it’s not because a group suddenly became historically curious. Rather, they used Rome’s history to justify xenophobia and anti-immigrant rhetoric.

If OP is not aware of this, he/she now knows and can ask in more specific terms about the attributes his/her family wants in a school (small group seminars, reading the English canon, uniforms, whatever). If OP is aware of the loaded nature of “classical education,” then we should probably avoid normalizing and aiding this level of white supremacy.

I'm sure you are aware that classical education predates 2016 and Milo and social media. And has nothing to do with any of them.

I'm sure most people know that, but what may be news is that the term has been co-opted by the right-wingers whose goal is to eradicate public education (e.g., Hillsdale College's Classical Education charter schools)y. And they're winning! What we need to do is demand a classic education from our public schools without all the right-wing bullcrap.

This won't happen because there is a culture of toxic positivity on the left about public schools in which they cannot be criticized, even when they are blatantly failing. My local affluent public elementary has a 20% pass rate on math standardized tests (30% for ELA) and the parents are gushing that "our schools couldn't be doing a more amazing job considering we just had a GLOBAL PANDEMIC"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey, y’all, something to know is that the sudden interest in “classical” education has nothing to do with great books or Latin. It traces back to a 2016 Identity Evropa (white nationalist group) “Don’t forget your heritage” campaign, which was tied to visuals of Greek and Roman sculpture and architecture. Folks like Milo Yiannipolous followed on; Milo even went by the handle @nero on Twitter. As well, these folks had a sudden interest in the Edward Gibbons book The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, which was written in the 18th century. No, it’s not because a group suddenly became historically curious. Rather, they used Rome’s history to justify xenophobia and anti-immigrant rhetoric.

If OP is not aware of this, he/she now knows and can ask in more specific terms about the attributes his/her family wants in a school (small group seminars, reading the English canon, uniforms, whatever). If OP is aware of the loaded nature of “classical education,” then we should probably avoid normalizing and aiding this level of white supremacy.

I'm sure you are aware that classical education predates 2016 and Milo and social media. And has nothing to do with any of them.

I'm sure most people know that, but what may be news is that the term has been co-opted by the right-wingers whose goal is to eradicate public education (e.g., Hillsdale College's Classical Education charter schools)y. And they're winning! What we need to do is demand a classic education from our public schools without all the right-wing bullcrap.

This won't happen because there is a culture of toxic positivity on the left about public schools in which they cannot be criticized, even when they are blatantly failing. My local affluent public elementary has a 20% pass rate on math standardized tests (30% for ELA) and the parents are gushing that "our schools couldn't be doing a more amazing job considering we just had a GLOBAL PANDEMIC"

And it’s the left that turns everything into a culture war.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey, y’all, something to know is that the sudden interest in “classical” education has nothing to do with great books or Latin. It traces back to a 2016 Identity Evropa (white nationalist group) “Don’t forget your heritage” campaign, which was tied to visuals of Greek and Roman sculpture and architecture. Folks like Milo Yiannipolous followed on; Milo even went by the handle @nero on Twitter. As well, these folks had a sudden interest in the Edward Gibbons book The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, which was written in the 18th century. No, it’s not because a group suddenly became historically curious. Rather, they used Rome’s history to justify xenophobia and anti-immigrant rhetoric.

If OP is not aware of this, he/she now knows and can ask in more specific terms about the attributes his/her family wants in a school (small group seminars, reading the English canon, uniforms, whatever). If OP is aware of the loaded nature of “classical education,” then we should probably avoid normalizing and aiding this level of white supremacy.

I'm sure you are aware that classical education predates 2016 and Milo and social media. And has nothing to do with any of them.

I'm sure most people know that, but what may be news is that the term has been co-opted by the right-wingers whose goal is to eradicate public education (e.g., Hillsdale College's Classical Education charter schools)y. And they're winning! What we need to do is demand a classic education from our public schools without all the right-wing bullcrap.

Please listen because I am very serious here: making absurd arguments like we need to stop saying "classical education" because it has been "co-opted by right-wingers whose goal is to eradicate public education" does absolutely NOTHING for your cause. It shows you to be an ignorant, unserious person more interested in thought-policing than policy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey, y’all, something to know is that the sudden interest in “classical” education has nothing to do with great books or Latin. It traces back to a 2016 Identity Evropa (white nationalist group) “Don’t forget your heritage” campaign, which was tied to visuals of Greek and Roman sculpture and architecture. Folks like Milo Yiannipolous followed on; Milo even went by the handle @nero on Twitter. As well, these folks had a sudden interest in the Edward Gibbons book The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, which was written in the 18th century. No, it’s not because a group suddenly became historically curious. Rather, they used Rome’s history to justify xenophobia and anti-immigrant rhetoric.

If OP is not aware of this, he/she now knows and can ask in more specific terms about the attributes his/her family wants in a school (small group seminars, reading the English canon, uniforms, whatever). If OP is aware of the loaded nature of “classical education,” then we should probably avoid normalizing and aiding this level of white supremacy.

I'm sure you are aware that classical education predates 2016 and Milo and social media. And has nothing to do with any of them.

I'm sure most people know that, but what may be news is that the term has been co-opted by the right-wingers whose goal is to eradicate public education (e.g., Hillsdale College's Classical Education charter schools)y. And they're winning! What we need to do is demand a classic education from our public schools without all the right-wing bullcrap.

Please listen because I am very serious here: making absurd arguments like we need to stop saying "classical education" because it has been "co-opted by right-wingers whose goal is to eradicate public education" does absolutely NOTHING for your cause. It shows you to be an ignorant, unserious person more interested in thought-policing than policy.

+1. I'm conservative, I know lots of conservatives and I don't know anyone who wants to eradicate public education. They would like to improve it and they often feel the best avenue for improvement is to introduce competition.
A friend ran for school board and the first thing they accused her of was wanting to dismantle public education -- this is someone who sends her kids to public school! She just wanted to put some checks on the insane spending. Meanwhile her opponent had a Defund the Police sign in her front yard!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey, y’all, something to know is that the sudden interest in “classical” education has nothing to do with great books or Latin. It traces back to a 2016 Identity Evropa (white nationalist group) “Don’t forget your heritage” campaign, which was tied to visuals of Greek and Roman sculpture and architecture. Folks like Milo Yiannipolous followed on; Milo even went by the handle @nero on Twitter. As well, these folks had a sudden interest in the Edward Gibbons book The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, which was written in the 18th century. No, it’s not because a group suddenly became historically curious. Rather, they used Rome’s history to justify xenophobia and anti-immigrant rhetoric.

If OP is not aware of this, he/she now knows and can ask in more specific terms about the attributes his/her family wants in a school (small group seminars, reading the English canon, uniforms, whatever). If OP is aware of the loaded nature of “classical education,” then we should probably avoid normalizing and aiding this level of white supremacy.

I'm sure you are aware that classical education predates 2016 and Milo and social media. And has nothing to do with any of them.

I'm sure most people know that, but what may be news is that the term has been co-opted by the right-wingers whose goal is to eradicate public education (e.g., Hillsdale College's Classical Education charter schools)y. And they're winning! What we need to do is demand a classic education from our public schools without all the right-wing bullcrap.

Please listen because I am very serious here: making absurd arguments like we need to stop saying "classical education" because it has been "co-opted by right-wingers whose goal is to eradicate public education" does absolutely NOTHING for your cause. It shows you to be an ignorant, unserious person more interested in thought-policing than policy.

+1. I'm conservative, I know lots of conservatives and I don't know anyone who wants to eradicate public education. They would like to improve it and they often feel the best avenue for improvement is to introduce competition.
A friend ran for school board and the first thing they accused her of was wanting to dismantle public education -- this is someone who sends her kids to public school! She just wanted to put some checks on the insane spending. Meanwhile her opponent had a Defund the Police sign in her front yard!

Agree. I do think that there are some problems with charters, but no parent in DC can say with a straight face that charters are evil. Yet this is a stock phrase for progressives (and unfortunately even some establishment Dems).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey, y’all, something to know is that the sudden interest in “classical” education has nothing to do with great books or Latin. It traces back to a 2016 Identity Evropa (white nationalist group) “Don’t forget your heritage” campaign, which was tied to visuals of Greek and Roman sculpture and architecture. Folks like Milo Yiannipolous followed on; Milo even went by the handle @nero on Twitter. As well, these folks had a sudden interest in the Edward Gibbons book The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, which was written in the 18th century. No, it’s not because a group suddenly became historically curious. Rather, they used Rome’s history to justify xenophobia and anti-immigrant rhetoric.

If OP is not aware of this, he/she now knows and can ask in more specific terms about the attributes his/her family wants in a school (small group seminars, reading the English canon, uniforms, whatever). If OP is aware of the loaded nature of “classical education,” then we should probably avoid normalizing and aiding this level of white supremacy.

I'm sure you are aware that classical education predates 2016 and Milo and social media. And has nothing to do with any of them.

I'm sure most people know that, but what may be news is that the term has been co-opted by the right-wingers whose goal is to eradicate public education (e.g., Hillsdale College's Classical Education charter schools)y. And they're winning! What we need to do is demand a classic education from our public schools without all the right-wing bullcrap.

This won't happen because there is a culture of toxic positivity on the left about public schools in which they cannot be criticized, even when they are blatantly failing. My local affluent public elementary has a 20% pass rate on math standardized tests (30% for ELA) and the parents are gushing that "our schools couldn't be doing a more amazing job considering we just had a GLOBAL PANDEMIC"

That’s horrible. Talk about brainwashed.

How we further protect these coddled, skill-less USA kids from the rest of the world that can read, do math, receive graded work, and take tests and not meltdown?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey, y’all, something to know is that the sudden interest in “classical” education has nothing to do with great books or Latin. It traces back to a 2016 Identity Evropa (white nationalist group) “Don’t forget your heritage” campaign, which was tied to visuals of Greek and Roman sculpture and architecture. Folks like Milo Yiannipolous followed on; Milo even went by the handle @nero on Twitter. As well, these folks had a sudden interest in the Edward Gibbons book The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, which was written in the 18th century. No, it’s not because a group suddenly became historically curious. Rather, they used Rome’s history to justify xenophobia and anti-immigrant rhetoric.

If OP is not aware of this, he/she now knows and can ask in more specific terms about the attributes his/her family wants in a school (small group seminars, reading the English canon, uniforms, whatever). If OP is aware of the loaded nature of “classical education,” then we should probably avoid normalizing and aiding this level of white supremacy.

I'm sure you are aware that classical education predates 2016 and Milo and social media. And has nothing to do with any of them.

I'm sure most people know that, but what may be news is that the term has been co-opted by the right-wingers whose goal is to eradicate public education (e.g., Hillsdale College's Classical Education charter schools)y. And they're winning! What we need to do is demand a classic education from our public schools without all the right-wing bullcrap.

You say that like it’s a bad thing.

Look, sate education is always going to be around and anyone withe eyes to see can tell it’s a cesspool of woke tripe. That’s why classical schools are getting more attention, because they teach the basics of a liberal (a real liberal) education. Parents are craving this, and that’s a good thing.

[Anonymous]

*state* education

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey, y’all, something to know is that the sudden interest in “classical” education has nothing to do with great books or Latin. It traces back to a 2016 Identity Evropa (white nationalist group) “Don’t forget your heritage” campaign, which was tied to visuals of Greek and Roman sculpture and architecture. Folks like Milo Yiannipolous followed on; Milo even went by the handle @nero on Twitter. As well, these folks had a sudden interest in the Edward Gibbons book The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, which was written in the 18th century. No, it’s not because a group suddenly became historically curious. Rather, they used Rome’s history to justify xenophobia and anti-immigrant rhetoric.

If OP is not aware of this, he/she now knows and can ask in more specific terms about the attributes his/her family wants in a school (small group seminars, reading the English canon, uniforms, whatever). If OP is aware of the loaded nature of “classical education,” then we should probably avoid normalizing and aiding this level of white supremacy.

I'm sure you are aware that classical education predates 2016 and Milo and social media. And has nothing to do with any of them.

I'm sure most people know that, but what may be news is that the term has been co-opted by the right-wingers whose goal is to eradicate public education (e.g., Hillsdale College's Classical Education charter schools)y. And they're winning! What we need to do is demand a classic education from our public schools without all the right-wing bullcrap.

Please listen because I am very serious here: making absurd arguments like we need to stop saying "classical education" because it has been "co-opted by right-wingers whose goal is to eradicate public education" does absolutely NOTHING for your cause. It shows you to be an ignorant, unserious person more interested in thought-policing than policy.

Wow. I am the PP you are responding to. Where did I say that we need to stop saying classical education? I didn't. In fact, I said that we need a return to classical education in public schools. But I also said that the right-wingers have co-opted the term, and they have. The term can be, and often is, a dog whistle. Like a previous poster said, anyone who is considering sending their children to a "classical education" school needs to seriously look at the curriculum because the primary goal of the "classical education" right-wingers is NOT to teach a classical education, but to continue teaching a version of US history that does not reflect reality.

The only "cause" I am espousing is a decent education for all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Do any Catholic schools in NOVA offer a classical education?

I’f consider this outside the NOVA sphere, but Good Shepherd School in Purcellville is classical/Montessori.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey, y’all, something to know is that the sudden interest in “classical” education has nothing to do with great books or Latin. It traces back to a 2016 Identity Evropa (white nationalist group) “Don’t forget your heritage” campaign, which was tied to visuals of Greek and Roman sculpture and architecture. Folks like Milo Yiannipolous followed on; Milo even went by the handle @nero on Twitter. As well, these folks had a sudden interest in the Edward Gibbons book The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, which was written in the 18th century. No, it’s not because a group suddenly became historically curious. Rather, they used Rome’s history to justify xenophobia and anti-immigrant rhetoric.

If OP is not aware of this, he/she now knows and can ask in more specific terms about the attributes his/her family wants in a school (small group seminars, reading the English canon, uniforms, whatever). If OP is aware of the loaded nature of “classical education,” then we should probably avoid normalizing and aiding this level of white supremacy.

I'm sure you are aware that classical education predates 2016 and Milo and social media. And has nothing to do with any of them.

I'm sure most people know that, but what may be news is that the term has been co-opted by the right-wingers whose goal is to eradicate public education (e.g., Hillsdale College's Classical Education charter schools)y. And they're winning! What we need to do is demand a classic education from our public schools without all the right-wing bullcrap.

Please listen because I am very serious here: making absurd arguments like we need to stop saying "classical education" because it has been "co-opted by right-wingers whose goal is to eradicate public education" does absolutely NOTHING for your cause. It shows you to be an ignorant, unserious person more interested in thought-policing than policy.

+1. I'm conservative, I know lots of conservatives and I don't know anyone who wants to eradicate public education. They would like to improve it and they often feel the best avenue for improvement is to introduce competition.
A friend ran for school board and the first thing they accused her of was wanting to dismantle public education -- this is someone who sends her kids to public school! She just wanted to put some checks on the insane spending. Meanwhile her opponent had a Defund the Police sign in her front yard!

PP. meet poster at 11:24. Now you know someone.

[Anonymous]

If people don’t know what a classical education emphasizes in elementary school here are some examples:

Phonics is taught systematically using a curriculum. Students will read decodable texts instead of guessing and memorizing whole words while looking at picture cues. Workbooks to practice phonics skills are used.

Spelling is taught and there are weekly spelling tests. Instead of having students in kindergarten and first grade write sentences, paragraphs or pages of journal writing where they write using invented spelling about their favorite animal or what they did during the weekend, in classical education students first learn to copy correctly using correct spelling and punctuation. They memorize and recite poems.

In math students memorize math facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If people don’t know what a classical education emphasizes in elementary school here are some examples:

Phonics is taught systematically using a curriculum. Students will read decodable texts instead of guessing and memorizing whole words while looking at picture cues. Workbooks to practice phonics skills are used.

Spelling is taught and there are weekly spelling tests. Instead of having students in kindergarten and first grade write sentences, paragraphs or pages of journal writing where they write using invented spelling about their favorite animal or what they did during the weekend, in classical education students first learn to copy correctly using correct spelling and punctuation. They memorize and recite poems.

In math students memorize math facts.

All you people caviling about now no one understands the meaning of a Classical education care to comment whether this is actually accurate?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If people don’t know what a classical education emphasizes in elementary school here are some examples:

Phonics is taught systematically using a curriculum. Students will read decodable texts instead of guessing and memorizing whole words while looking at picture cues. Workbooks to practice phonics skills are used.

Spelling is taught and there are weekly spelling tests. Instead of having students in kindergarten and first grade write sentences, paragraphs or pages of journal writing where they write using invented spelling about their favorite animal or what they did during the weekend, in classical education students first learn to copy correctly using correct spelling and punctuation. They memorize and recite poems.

In math students memorize math facts.

Oh good Lord. "Classical education" for the last 100 years has meant learning Latin, maybe Greek, and reading Ovid etc. in middle school. And that's how OP is correctly using the term "classical education." It doesn't have anything to do with pedagogy around how reading or math are taught.

You guys are arguing about two extreme fringes. Yes, there's a strain of thought that says that math is elitist and racist and kids shouldn't have to take math tests, but that's crazy talk that will lead to under preparing kids for the real world (hmmm, maybe that's the right-wing plot?). Similarly, associating Latin with fringe right-wingers is equally crazy, as evidenced by the fact that pp can't point to any area classics schools (Lutheran, Washington Latin PCS), or any classics schools around the country, that have actually been taken over by right wingers. Just because some wing-nut on Twitter says he favors a classic education doesn't mean these folks have any power, any power at all, at places like Washington Latin.