Classical education

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If people don’t know what a classical education emphasizes in elementary school here are some examples:

Phonics is taught systematically using a curriculum. Students will read decodable texts instead of guessing and memorizing whole words while looking at picture cues. Workbooks to practice phonics skills are used.

Spelling is taught and there are weekly spelling tests. Instead of having students in kindergarten and first grade write sentences, paragraphs or pages of journal writing where they write using invented spelling about their favorite animal or what they did during the weekend, in classical education students first learn to copy correctly using correct spelling and punctuation. They memorize and recite poems.

In math students memorize math facts.

Oh good Lord. "Classical education" for the last 100 years has meant learning Latin, maybe Greek, and reading Ovid etc. in middle school. And that's how OP is correctly using the term "classical education." It doesn't have anything to do with pedagogy around how reading or math are taught.

You guys are arguing about two extreme fringes. Yes, there's a strain of thought that says that math is elitist and racist and kids shouldn't have to take math tests, but that's crazy talk that will lead to under preparing kids for the real world (hmmm, maybe that's the right-wing plot?). Similarly, associating Latin with fringe right-wingers is equally crazy, as evidenced by the fact that pp can't point to any area classics schools (Lutheran, Washington Latin PCS), or any classics schools around the country, that have actually been taken over by right wingers. Just because some wing-nut on Twitter says he favors a classic education doesn't mean these folks have any power, any power at all, at places like Washington Latin.

My friend, you’re thinking about “Classics”. Not the same thing.

[Anonymous]

Wow. This is a weird thread.

Beyond this strange debate, the actual schools specifically mentioned in this thread all seem mediocre at best. None of them seem worth paying tuition.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey, y’all, something to know is that the sudden interest in “classical” education has nothing to do with great books or Latin. It traces back to a 2016 Identity Evropa (white nationalist group) “Don’t forget your heritage” campaign, which was tied to visuals of Greek and Roman sculpture and architecture. Folks like Milo Yiannipolous followed on; Milo even went by the handle @nero on Twitter. As well, these folks had a sudden interest in the Edward Gibbons book The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, which was written in the 18th century. No, it’s not because a group suddenly became historically curious. Rather, they used Rome’s history to justify xenophobia and anti-immigrant rhetoric.

If OP is not aware of this, he/she now knows and can ask in more specific terms about the attributes his/her family wants in a school (small group seminars, reading the English canon, uniforms, whatever). If OP is aware of the loaded nature of “classical education,” then we should probably avoid normalizing and aiding this level of white supremacy.

I'm sure you are aware that classical education predates 2016 and Milo and social media. And has nothing to do with any of them.

I'm sure most people know that, but what may be news is that the term has been co-opted by the right-wingers whose goal is to eradicate public education (e.g., Hillsdale College's Classical Education charter schools)y. And they're winning! What we need to do is demand a classic education from our public schools without all the right-wing bullcrap.

You say that like it’s a bad thing.

Look, sate education is always going to be around and anyone withe eyes to see can tell it’s a cesspool of woke tripe. That’s why classical schools are getting more attention, because they teach the basics of a liberal (a real liberal) education. Parents are craving this, and that’s a good thing.

LOL

"Before coming to Harvard, 63 percent of respondents attended public school, most of them non-charter, while 35 percent attended private school—26 percent non-denominational and 10 percent parochial."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If people don’t know what a classical education emphasizes in elementary school here are some examples:

Phonics is taught systematically using a curriculum. Students will read decodable texts instead of guessing and memorizing whole words while looking at picture cues. Workbooks to practice phonics skills are used.

Spelling is taught and there are weekly spelling tests. Instead of having students in kindergarten and first grade write sentences, paragraphs or pages of journal writing where they write using invented spelling about their favorite animal or what they did during the weekend, in classical education students first learn to copy correctly using correct spelling and punctuation. They memorize and recite poems.

In math students memorize math facts.

+100000

K-8:
Phonics, Spelling, Grammar
Math facts, Multiplication tables, numerical accuracy then concepts
Reading and decoding out loud to class or teacher
Newbury prize and classic books covering a range of diction, writing style, eras, themes, fiction and nonfiction
Breadth of science topics, Geography
Regional/National/Global basic history and context
Bi-Monthly school concerts with student speaking or performance opportunities
Daily homework, Graded work and tests returned, quarterly report cards and conferences.
May standardized testing, results returned quickly and discussed if need be.
Differentiation from grade 4 onward for reading and math. School wide Spelling bees and Geography bees.

NOTE, does not include: pronoun worksheets, Socio emotional feelings classes, graphic comic book “novels”, new victimization/Activist books, current political agenda topics or units, balanced literacy BS, tons of group work, no grading or tests returned, only two feedback sessions for parents (and no end of year one).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If people don’t know what a classical education emphasizes in elementary school here are some examples:

Phonics is taught systematically using a curriculum. Students will read decodable texts instead of guessing and memorizing whole words while looking at picture cues. Workbooks to practice phonics skills are used.

Spelling is taught and there are weekly spelling tests. Instead of having students in kindergarten and first grade write sentences, paragraphs or pages of journal writing where they write using invented spelling about their favorite animal or what they did during the weekend, in classical education students first learn to copy correctly using correct spelling and punctuation. They memorize and recite poems.

In math students memorize math facts.

All you people caviling about now no one understands the meaning of a Classical education care to comment whether this is actually accurate?

People are probably referring to Traditional foundational education for early childhood development with classic units and literature. And then differentiation, electives and theories for upper school once there is a strong base of knowledge and kids learned enough to pick some passions. Then for college they narrow down again to majors.

Can you imagine having some new age kumbaya curriculum that covered only a fraction of the above, and with totally new experimental methods and then moving out of state and really suffering a lack of skills??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey, y’all, something to know is that the sudden interest in “classical” education has nothing to do with great books or Latin. It traces back to a 2016 Identity Evropa (white nationalist group) “Don’t forget your heritage” campaign, which was tied to visuals of Greek and Roman sculpture and architecture. Folks like Milo Yiannipolous followed on; Milo even went by the handle @nero on Twitter. As well, these folks had a sudden interest in the Edward Gibbons book The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, which was written in the 18th century. No, it’s not because a group suddenly became historically curious. Rather, they used Rome’s history to justify xenophobia and anti-immigrant rhetoric.

If OP is not aware of this, he/she now knows and can ask in more specific terms about the attributes his/her family wants in a school (small group seminars, reading the English canon, uniforms, whatever). If OP is aware of the loaded nature of “classical education,” then we should probably avoid normalizing and aiding this level of white supremacy.

I'm sure you are aware that classical education predates 2016 and Milo and social media. And has nothing to do with any of them.

I'm sure most people know that, but what may be news is that the term has been co-opted by the right-wingers whose goal is to eradicate public education (e.g., Hillsdale College's Classical Education charter schools)y. And they're winning! What we need to do is demand a classic education from our public schools without all the right-wing bullcrap.

You say that like it’s a bad thing.

Look, sate education is always going to be around and anyone withe eyes to see can tell it’s a cesspool of woke tripe. That’s why classical schools are getting more attention, because they teach the basics of a liberal (a real liberal) education. Parents are craving this, and that’s a good thing.

LOL

"Before coming to Harvard, 63 percent of respondents attended public school, most of them non-charter, while 35 percent attended private school—26 percent non-denominational and 10 percent parochial."

All this proves is that Harvard likes woke tripe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If people don’t know what a classical education emphasizes in elementary school here are some examples:

Phonics is taught systematically using a curriculum. Students will read decodable texts instead of guessing and memorizing whole words while looking at picture cues. Workbooks to practice phonics skills are used.

Spelling is taught and there are weekly spelling tests. Instead of having students in kindergarten and first grade write sentences, paragraphs or pages of journal writing where they write using invented spelling about their favorite animal or what they did during the weekend, in classical education students first learn to copy correctly using correct spelling and punctuation. They memorize and recite poems.

In math students memorize math facts.

Oh good Lord. "Classical education" for the last 100 years has meant learning Latin, maybe Greek, and reading Ovid etc. in middle school. And that's how OP is correctly using the term "classical education." It doesn't have anything to do with pedagogy around how reading or math are taught.

You guys are arguing about two extreme fringes. Yes, there's a strain of thought that says that math is elitist and racist and kids shouldn't have to take math tests, but that's crazy talk that will lead to under preparing kids for the real world (hmmm, maybe that's the right-wing plot?). Similarly, associating Latin with fringe right-wingers is equally crazy, as evidenced by the fact that pp can't point to any area classics schools (Lutheran, Washington Latin PCS), or any classics schools around the country, that have actually been taken over by right wingers. Just because some wing-nut on Twitter says he favors a classic education doesn't mean these folks have any power, any power at all, at places like Washington Latin.

My friend, you’re thinking about “Classics”. Not the same thing.

OP wants the Classics--Latin and Greek. All these digressions into traditional/classical education are besides the point. No idea whether Milo wants Classics or Classical, but nobody cares because he's fringe and doesn't control any Classics or Classical schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If people don’t know what a classical education emphasizes in elementary school here are some examples:

Phonics is taught systematically using a curriculum. Students will read decodable texts instead of guessing and memorizing whole words while looking at picture cues. Workbooks to practice phonics skills are used.

Spelling is taught and there are weekly spelling tests. Instead of having students in kindergarten and first grade write sentences, paragraphs or pages of journal writing where they write using invented spelling about their favorite animal or what they did during the weekend, in classical education students first learn to copy correctly using correct spelling and punctuation. They memorize and recite poems.

In math students memorize math facts.

This is what most of the world does from ages 4-12 plus heavy STEM.
Then they have serious testing junctures for tracking to a particular middle school, high school, A levels and the career track/college/trade/offload/military.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If people don’t know what a classical education emphasizes in elementary school here are some examples:

Phonics is taught systematically using a curriculum. Students will read decodable texts instead of guessing and memorizing whole words while looking at picture cues. Workbooks to practice phonics skills are used.

Spelling is taught and there are weekly spelling tests. Instead of having students in kindergarten and first grade write sentences, paragraphs or pages of journal writing where they write using invented spelling about their favorite animal or what they did during the weekend, in classical education students first learn to copy correctly using correct spelling and punctuation. They memorize and recite poems.

In math students memorize math facts.

This.

School still has lots of time to be fun and silly, plus teach skills. And kids learn coping skills via tests, grades, individual work, group work, time Mgmt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If people don’t know what a classical education emphasizes in elementary school here are some examples:

Phonics is taught systematically using a curriculum. Students will read decodable texts instead of guessing and memorizing whole words while looking at picture cues. Workbooks to practice phonics skills are used.

Spelling is taught and there are weekly spelling tests. Instead of having students in kindergarten and first grade write sentences, paragraphs or pages of journal writing where they write using invented spelling about their favorite animal or what they did during the weekend, in classical education students first learn to copy correctly using correct spelling and punctuation. They memorize and recite poems.

In math students memorize math facts.

Oh good Lord. "Classical education" for the last 100 years has meant learning Latin, maybe Greek, and reading Ovid etc. in middle school. And that's how OP is correctly using the term "classical education." It doesn't have anything to do with pedagogy around how reading or math are taught.

You guys are arguing about two extreme fringes. Yes, there's a strain of thought that says that math is elitist and racist and kids shouldn't have to take math tests, but that's crazy talk that will lead to under preparing kids for the real world (hmmm, maybe that's the right-wing plot?). Similarly, associating Latin with fringe right-wingers is equally crazy, as evidenced by the fact that pp can't point to any area classics schools (Lutheran, Washington Latin PCS), or any classics schools around the country, that have actually been taken over by right wingers. Just because some wing-nut on Twitter says he favors a classic education doesn't mean these folks have any power, any power at all, at places like Washington Latin.

My friend, you’re thinking about “Classics”. Not the same thing.

OP wants the Classics--Latin and Greek. All these digressions into traditional/classical education are besides the point. No idea whether Milo wants Classics or Classical, but nobody cares because he's fringe and doesn't control any Classics or Classical schools.

I agree on Milo but you’re wrong about “classical education.” It is a full pedagogy, not “greek and latin classics.” To me what I really regret is the fact that current elementary education seems to be actually opposed to teaching kids content and memorizing, when they are so primed to do that in elementary. It seems like they jump ahead to teach kids “how to think” before they’ve even given them anything to think about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If people don’t know what a classical education emphasizes in elementary school here are some examples:

Phonics is taught systematically using a curriculum. Students will read decodable texts instead of guessing and memorizing whole words while looking at picture cues. Workbooks to practice phonics skills are used.

Spelling is taught and there are weekly spelling tests. Instead of having students in kindergarten and first grade write sentences, paragraphs or pages of journal writing where they write using invented spelling about their favorite animal or what they did during the weekend, in classical education students first learn to copy correctly using correct spelling and punctuation. They memorize and recite poems.

In math students memorize math facts.

Oh good Lord. "Classical education" for the last 100 years has meant learning Latin, maybe Greek, and reading Ovid etc. in middle school. And that's how OP is correctly using the term "classical education." It doesn't have anything to do with pedagogy around how reading or math are taught.

You guys are arguing about two extreme fringes. Yes, there's a strain of thought that says that math is elitist and racist and kids shouldn't have to take math tests, but that's crazy talk that will lead to under preparing kids for the real world (hmmm, maybe that's the right-wing plot?). Similarly, associating Latin with fringe right-wingers is equally crazy, as evidenced by the fact that pp can't point to any area classics schools (Lutheran, Washington Latin PCS), or any classics schools around the country, that have actually been taken over by right wingers. Just because some wing-nut on Twitter says he favors a classic education doesn't mean these folks have any power, any power at all, at places like Washington Latin.

My friend, you’re thinking about “Classics”. Not the same thing.

OP wants the Classics--Latin and Greek. All these digressions into traditional/classical education are besides the point. No idea whether Milo wants Classics or Classical, but nobody cares because he's fringe and doesn't control any Classics or Classical schools.

I agree on Milo but you’re wrong about “classical education.” It is a full pedagogy, not “greek and latin classics.” To me what I really regret is the fact that current elementary education seems to be actually opposed to teaching kids content and memorizing, when they are so primed to do that in elementary. It seems like they jump ahead to teach kids “how to think” before they’ve even given them anything to think about.

Do you think the education manifesto listed above is “Classical” education pedagogy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey, y’all, something to know is that the sudden interest in “classical” education has nothing to do with great books or Latin. It traces back to a 2016 Identity Evropa (white nationalist group) “Don’t forget your heritage” campaign, which was tied to visuals of Greek and Roman sculpture and architecture. Folks like Milo Yiannipolous followed on; Milo even went by the handle @nero on Twitter. As well, these folks had a sudden interest in the Edward Gibbons book The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, which was written in the 18th century. No, it’s not because a group suddenly became historically curious. Rather, they used Rome’s history to justify xenophobia and anti-immigrant rhetoric.

If OP is not aware of this, he/she now knows and can ask in more specific terms about the attributes his/her family wants in a school (small group seminars, reading the English canon, uniforms, whatever). If OP is aware of the loaded nature of “classical education,” then we should probably avoid normalizing and aiding this level of white supremacy.

I'm sure you are aware that classical education predates 2016 and Milo and social media. And has nothing to do with any of them.

I'm sure most people know that, but what may be news is that the term has been co-opted by the right-wingers whose goal is to eradicate public education (e.g., Hillsdale College's Classical Education charter schools)y. And they're winning! What we need to do is demand a classic education from our public schools without all the right-wing bullcrap.

You say that like it’s a bad thing.

Look, sate education is always going to be around and anyone withe eyes to see can tell it’s a cesspool of woke tripe. That’s why classical schools are getting more attention, because they teach the basics of a liberal (a real liberal) education. Parents are craving this, and that’s a good thing.

LOL

"Before coming to Harvard, 63 percent of respondents attended public school, most of them non-charter, while 35 percent attended private school—26 percent non-denominational and 10 percent parochial."

All this proves is that Harvard likes woke tripe.

All that statement proves is you can’t think for yourself and just parrot the last thing you heard Tucker say

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey, y’all, something to know is that the sudden interest in “classical” education has nothing to do with great books or Latin. It traces back to a 2016 Identity Evropa (white nationalist group) “Don’t forget your heritage” campaign, which was tied to visuals of Greek and Roman sculpture and architecture. Folks like Milo Yiannipolous followed on; Milo even went by the handle @nero on Twitter. As well, these folks had a sudden interest in the Edward Gibbons book The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, which was written in the 18th century. No, it’s not because a group suddenly became historically curious. Rather, they used Rome’s history to justify xenophobia and anti-immigrant rhetoric.

If OP is not aware of this, he/she now knows and can ask in more specific terms about the attributes his/her family wants in a school (small group seminars, reading the English canon, uniforms, whatever). If OP is aware of the loaded nature of “classical education,” then we should probably avoid normalizing and aiding this level of white supremacy.

I'm sure you are aware that classical education predates 2016 and Milo and social media. And has nothing to do with any of them.

I'm sure most people know that, but what may be news is that the term has been co-opted by the right-wingers whose goal is to eradicate public education (e.g., Hillsdale College's Classical Education charter schools)y. And they're winning! What we need to do is demand a classic education from our public schools without all the right-wing bullcrap.

You say that like it’s a bad thing.

Look, sate education is always going to be around and anyone withe eyes to see can tell it’s a cesspool of woke tripe. That’s why classical schools are getting more attention, because they teach the basics of a liberal (a real liberal) education. Parents are craving this, and that’s a good thing.

LOL

"Before coming to Harvard, 63 percent of respondents attended public school, most of them non-charter, while 35 percent attended private school—26 percent non-denominational and 10 percent parochial."

All this proves is that Harvard likes woke tripe.

Wait until their endowment donations dry up once all the woke grads never work much, build companies, or bother to make donations with their DEI or activist donor funded jobs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If people don’t know what a classical education emphasizes in elementary school here are some examples:

Phonics is taught systematically using a curriculum. Students will read decodable texts instead of guessing and memorizing whole words while looking at picture cues. Workbooks to practice phonics skills are used.

Spelling is taught and there are weekly spelling tests. Instead of having students in kindergarten and first grade write sentences, paragraphs or pages of journal writing where they write using invented spelling about their favorite animal or what they did during the weekend, in classical education students first learn to copy correctly using correct spelling and punctuation. They memorize and recite poems.

In math students memorize math facts.

Oh good Lord. "Classical education" for the last 100 years has meant learning Latin, maybe Greek, and reading Ovid etc. in middle school. And that's how OP is correctly using the term "classical education." It doesn't have anything to do with pedagogy around how reading or math are taught.

You guys are arguing about two extreme fringes. Yes, there's a strain of thought that says that math is elitist and racist and kids shouldn't have to take math tests, but that's crazy talk that will lead to under preparing kids for the real world (hmmm, maybe that's the right-wing plot?). Similarly, associating Latin with fringe right-wingers is equally crazy, as evidenced by the fact that pp can't point to any area classics schools (Lutheran, Washington Latin PCS), or any classics schools around the country, that have actually been taken over by right wingers. Just because some wing-nut on Twitter says he favors a classic education doesn't mean these folks have any power, any power at all, at places like Washington Latin.

My friend, you’re thinking about “Classics”. Not the same thing.

OP wants the Classics--Latin and Greek. All these digressions into traditional/classical education are besides the point. No idea whether Milo wants Classics or Classical, but nobody cares because he's fringe and doesn't control any Classics or Classical schools.

I agree on Milo but you’re wrong about “classical education.” It is a full pedagogy, not “greek and latin classics.” To me what I really regret is the fact that current elementary education seems to be actually opposed to teaching kids content and memorizing, when they are so primed to do that in elementary. It seems like they jump ahead to teach kids “how to think” before they’ve even given them anything to think about.

+1

Agree

Plus in public middle school English class (early 1990s), in addition to reading the “Great Books” on our own and some together as a class, we learned Greek and Latin roots once a week— to help us decode, read and pronounce things correctly, understand the prefixes/suffixes and word meanings, spell better, etc. even served as SAT word practice.

Nothing like that happens now. Most DC area public and private schools are too progressive and experimental, with very inconsistent and frankly low expectations for lower school students. Even pre-Covid, but they really tripled down on low expectations during and after Covid closures/Zoom school/half day returns.

[Anonymous]

When are the classical violin lessons fitting in during the day?