Is Rosedale Conservancy run by NIMBYs?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Danna-

Thank you for weighing in with this context. Our family regularly enjoys Rosedale, and it is an incredible asset to the community. The negativity here is unjustified.

I do want to acknowledge two points of partial agreement with the prior posts, though. First, Rosedale could be more transparent about the dog registration waitlist length and factors, like you have been here. Providing this type of information on the website would be valuable.

Second, I urge you to reevaluate how Rosedale balances preservation and dog friendliness and how it allocates slots. Is 300 the right number, or could Rosedale accommodate more without changing the feel of the space? Are there alternative approaches, like specific dog hours or open dog hours, that might accommodate more pups? Does priority for the closest neighbors or greatest contributors make this space less available to diverse people? Does the significant annual cost make this space less available to diverse people? Maybe the current approach is the best approach, but it sure seems like it would benefit from a rethink 20 years later. The world has changed in many ways.

--Your friend on Quebec

Thank you for posting this. It more diplomatically expresses my frustration that, even if we live in an apartment building within walking distance, only those who live in multimillion dollar houses a few blocks from Rosedale and make significant contributions are prioritized/ ever make it off the waitlist.

If you read what Danna wrote, she addressed your concern directly.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:omg who cares, rich people vs rich people and they’re probably all the same level of good or bad. Sometimes a story isn’t very interesting

Petty and jealous affluent people, aka the petite bourgeoisie, are always the most angry and dangerous.

LOL, yes that's why CP is rife with gun violence. I don't know if you were being tongue in cheek, PP, but desperate people with nothing to lose are always the most angry and dangerous.

Actually, it’s the people that have things to lose that are the most dangerous.

You sound like you don't have very much life experience.

[Anonymous]

As a non-dog owner who lives about a 20 minute walk from Rosedale, I think 300 should be the max number of dogs based on what I see. We use this space year round and things get pretty torn up and there is still dog crap all over the place where my kids try to play. This place is a gem and if it becomes a dog park, that's an insane waste of space.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:omg who cares, rich people vs rich people and they’re probably all the same level of good or bad. Sometimes a story isn’t very interesting

Petty and jealous affluent people, aka the petite bourgeoisie, are always the most angry and dangerous.

LOL, yes that's why CP is rife with gun violence. I don't know if you were being tongue in cheek, PP, but desperate people with nothing to lose are always the most angry and dangerous.

Actually, it’s the people that have things to lose that are the most dangerous.

You sound like you don't have very much life experience.

It’s a pretty miserable existence to presume bad faith by everyone, particularly people you don’t know and have never met.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a non-dog owner who lives about a 20 minute walk from Rosedale, I think 300 should be the max number of dogs based on what I see. We use this space year round and things get pretty torn up and there is still dog crap all over the place where my kids try to play. This place is a gem and if it becomes a dog park, that's an insane waste of space.

Same! We are a non dog owning family that lives within walking distance and love the open space! We go year round. My kids ask to go to the “tree park” all the time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a non-dog owner who lives about a 20 minute walk from Rosedale, I think 300 should be the max number of dogs based on what I see. We use this space year round and things get pretty torn up and there is still dog crap all over the place where my kids try to play. This place is a gem and if it becomes a dog park, that's an insane waste of space.

Same! We are a non dog owning family that lives within walking distance and love the open space! We go year round. My kids ask to go to the “tree park” all the time.

Agreed! Cleveland Park is fortunate to have Rosedale as its village green. Rosedale almost didn’t happen, but then incredibly came together through the hard work (and generosity of community members, neighborhood organizations and others. Sadly, it’s an open question whether the same Rosedale outcome could be achieved today. Not only would more money have to be raised, but with historic preservation under attack and an ANC that has a vocal pro-development-above-all majority, saving Rosedale today would face much tougher odds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Danna-

Thank you for weighing in with this context. Our family regularly enjoys Rosedale, and it is an incredible asset to the community. The negativity here is unjustified.

I do want to acknowledge two points of partial agreement with the prior posts, though. First, Rosedale could be more transparent about the dog registration waitlist length and factors, like you have been here. Providing this type of information on the website would be valuable.

Second, I urge you to reevaluate how Rosedale balances preservation and dog friendliness and how it allocates slots. Is 300 the right number, or could Rosedale accommodate more without changing the feel of the space? Are there alternative approaches, like specific dog hours or open dog hours, that might accommodate more pups? Does priority for the closest neighbors or greatest contributors make this space less available to diverse people? Does the significant annual cost make this space less available to diverse people? Maybe the current approach is the best approach, but it sure seems like it would benefit from a rethink 20 years later. The world has changed in many ways.

--Your friend on Quebec

Thank you for posting this. It more diplomatically expresses my frustration that, even if we live in an apartment building within walking distance, only those who live in multimillion dollar houses a few blocks from Rosedale and make significant contributions are prioritized/ ever make it off the waitlist.

I recommend the Cathedral Grounds. We walk our dog there all the time (there is no off-leash area). I’ve observed a lot of diversity there, including racial/ ethnic diversity, families and groups of young people, and people speaking other languages. It feels very welcoming and is busy during the week, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Danna-

Thank you for weighing in with this context. Our family regularly enjoys Rosedale, and it is an incredible asset to the community. The negativity here is unjustified.

I do want to acknowledge two points of partial agreement with the prior posts, though. First, Rosedale could be more transparent about the dog registration waitlist length and factors, like you have been here. Providing this type of information on the website would be valuable.

Second, I urge you to reevaluate how Rosedale balances preservation and dog friendliness and how it allocates slots. Is 300 the right number, or could Rosedale accommodate more without changing the feel of the space? Are there alternative approaches, like specific dog hours or open dog hours, that might accommodate more pups? Does priority for the closest neighbors or greatest contributors make this space less available to diverse people? Does the significant annual cost make this space less available to diverse people? Maybe the current approach is the best approach, but it sure seems like it would benefit from a rethink 20 years later. The world has changed in many ways.

--Your friend on Quebec

Thank you for posting this. It more diplomatically expresses my frustration that, even if we live in an apartment building within walking distance, only those who live in multimillion dollar houses a few blocks from Rosedale and make significant contributions are prioritized/ ever make it off the waitlist.

I recommend the Cathedral Grounds. We walk our dog there all the time (there is no off-leash area). I’ve observed a lot of diversity there, including racial/ ethnic diversity, families and groups of young people, and people speaking other languages. It feels very welcoming and is busy during the week, too.

Good recommendation. They could also just go to the Newark Street Dog Park that is literally just 2 blocks away. Or Macomb Park one block away or Hearst two blocks in the other direction. There is no shortage of public spaces they can take their dog. The OPs complaint makes claims and insinuations that are false.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Danna-

Thank you for weighing in with this context. Our family regularly enjoys Rosedale, and it is an incredible asset to the community. The negativity here is unjustified.

I do want to acknowledge two points of partial agreement with the prior posts, though. First, Rosedale could be more transparent about the dog registration waitlist length and factors, like you have been here. Providing this type of information on the website would be valuable.

Second, I urge you to reevaluate how Rosedale balances preservation and dog friendliness and how it allocates slots. Is 300 the right number, or could Rosedale accommodate more without changing the feel of the space? Are there alternative approaches, like specific dog hours or open dog hours, that might accommodate more pups? Does priority for the closest neighbors or greatest contributors make this space less available to diverse people? Does the significant annual cost make this space less available to diverse people? Maybe the current approach is the best approach, but it sure seems like it would benefit from a rethink 20 years later. The world has changed in many ways.

--Your friend on Quebec

Thank you for posting this. It more diplomatically expresses my frustration that, even if we live in an apartment building within walking distance, only those who live in multimillion dollar houses a few blocks from Rosedale and make significant contributions are prioritized/ ever make it off the waitlist.

I recommend the Cathedral Grounds. We walk our dog there all the time (there is no off-leash area). I’ve observed a lot of diversity there, including racial/ ethnic diversity, families and groups of young people, and people speaking other languages. It feels very welcoming and is busy during the week, too.

Good recommendation. They could also just go to the Newark Street Dog Park that is literally just 2 blocks away. Or Macomb Park one block away or Hearst two blocks in the other direction. There is no shortage of public spaces they can take their dog. The OPs complaint makes claims and insinuations that are false.

PLEASE do not take your dogs to children's playgrounds like Macomb or schools like Hearst. The dog park at Newark and the Cathedral Grounds are great ideas. There are also some open areas in Glover-Archibald park that I see dogs running around in, but I don't know the rules there for dogs off-leash.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Danna-

Thank you for weighing in with this context. Our family regularly enjoys Rosedale, and it is an incredible asset to the community. The negativity here is unjustified.

I do want to acknowledge two points of partial agreement with the prior posts, though. First, Rosedale could be more transparent about the dog registration waitlist length and factors, like you have been here. Providing this type of information on the website would be valuable.

Second, I urge you to reevaluate how Rosedale balances preservation and dog friendliness and how it allocates slots. Is 300 the right number, or could Rosedale accommodate more without changing the feel of the space? Are there alternative approaches, like specific dog hours or open dog hours, that might accommodate more pups? Does priority for the closest neighbors or greatest contributors make this space less available to diverse people? Does the significant annual cost make this space less available to diverse people? Maybe the current approach is the best approach, but it sure seems like it would benefit from a rethink 20 years later. The world has changed in many ways.

--Your friend on Quebec

Thank you for posting this. It more diplomatically expresses my frustration that, even if we live in an apartment building within walking distance, only those who live in multimillion dollar houses a few blocks from Rosedale and make significant contributions are prioritized/ ever make it off the waitlist.

I recommend the Cathedral Grounds. We walk our dog there all the time (there is no off-leash area). I’ve observed a lot of diversity there, including racial/ ethnic diversity, families and groups of young people, and people speaking other languages. It feels very welcoming and is busy during the week, too.

Good recommendation. They could also just go to the Newark Street Dog Park that is literally just 2 blocks away. Or Macomb Park one block away or Hearst two blocks in the other direction. There is no shortage of public spaces they can take their dog. The OPs complaint makes claims and insinuations that are false.

PLEASE do not take your dogs to children's playgrounds like Macomb or schools like Hearst. The dog park at Newark and the Cathedral Grounds are great ideas. There are also some open areas in Glover-Archibald park that I see dogs running around in, but I don't know the rules there for dogs off-leash.

If they keep their dog on leash, there is no problem taking them to the fields at Macomb or Heast so long as they clean up after their pet and especially at Hearst don’t let them dig up or damage the grass.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Danna-

Thank you for weighing in with this context. Our family regularly enjoys Rosedale, and it is an incredible asset to the community. The negativity here is unjustified.

I do want to acknowledge two points of partial agreement with the prior posts, though. First, Rosedale could be more transparent about the dog registration waitlist length and factors, like you have been here. Providing this type of information on the website would be valuable.

Second, I urge you to reevaluate how Rosedale balances preservation and dog friendliness and how it allocates slots. Is 300 the right number, or could Rosedale accommodate more without changing the feel of the space? Are there alternative approaches, like specific dog hours or open dog hours, that might accommodate more pups? Does priority for the closest neighbors or greatest contributors make this space less available to diverse people? Does the significant annual cost make this space less available to diverse people? Maybe the current approach is the best approach, but it sure seems like it would benefit from a rethink 20 years later. The world has changed in many ways.

--Your friend on Quebec

Thank you for posting this. It more diplomatically expresses my frustration that, even if we live in an apartment building within walking distance, only those who live in multimillion dollar houses a few blocks from Rosedale and make significant contributions are prioritized/ ever make it off the waitlist.

Membership at Rosedale is $100 per year. Nobody needs to live in a million dollar home to be able to become a supporting member if it is a priority. Please take a look through the web site. Also, the site provides information about fun activities year round that are open to the public. Come and enjoy! And to Danna, and everyone who made Rosedale possible and continues to support ever better programs and activities, thank you! We all have busy schedules and personal lives and obligations, and I appreciate that you dedicate time to support and manage thus beautiful space for everyone to enjoy. Thank you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Danna-

Thank you for weighing in with this context. Our family regularly enjoys Rosedale, and it is an incredible asset to the community. The negativity here is unjustified.

I do want to acknowledge two points of partial agreement with the prior posts, though. First, Rosedale could be more transparent about the dog registration waitlist length and factors, like you have been here. Providing this type of information on the website would be valuable.

Second, I urge you to reevaluate how Rosedale balances preservation and dog friendliness and how it allocates slots. Is 300 the right number, or could Rosedale accommodate more without changing the feel of the space? Are there alternative approaches, like specific dog hours or open dog hours, that might accommodate more pups? Does priority for the closest neighbors or greatest contributors make this space less available to diverse people? Does the significant annual cost make this space less available to diverse people? Maybe the current approach is the best approach, but it sure seems like it would benefit from a rethink 20 years later. The world has changed in many ways.

--Your friend on Quebec

Thank you for posting this. It more diplomatically expresses my frustration that, even if we live in an apartment building within walking distance, only those who live in multimillion dollar houses a few blocks from Rosedale and make significant contributions are prioritized/ ever make it off the waitlist.

I recommend the Cathedral Grounds. We walk our dog there all the time (there is no off-leash area). I’ve observed a lot of diversity there, including racial/ ethnic diversity, families and groups of young people, and people speaking other languages. It feels very welcoming and is busy during the week, too.

Good recommendation. They could also just go to the Newark Street Dog Park that is literally just 2 blocks away. Or Macomb Park one block away or Hearst two blocks in the other direction. There is no shortage of public spaces they can take their dog. The OPs complaint makes claims and insinuations that are false.

PLEASE do not take your dogs to children's playgrounds like Macomb or schools like Hearst. The dog park at Newark and the Cathedral Grounds are great ideas. There are also some open areas in Glover-Archibald park that I see dogs running around in, but I don't know the rules there for dogs off-leash.

If they keep their dog on leash, there is no problem taking them to the fields at Macomb or Heast so long as they clean up after their pet and especially at Hearst don’t let them dig up or damage the grass.

Macomb Street Playground is posted for no dogs. No exceptions. It’s a playground for little kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Danna-

Thank you for weighing in with this context. Our family regularly enjoys Rosedale, and it is an incredible asset to the community. The negativity here is unjustified.

I do want to acknowledge two points of partial agreement with the prior posts, though. First, Rosedale could be more transparent about the dog registration waitlist length and factors, like you have been here. Providing this type of information on the website would be valuable.

Second, I urge you to reevaluate how Rosedale balances preservation and dog friendliness and how it allocates slots. Is 300 the right number, or could Rosedale accommodate more without changing the feel of the space? Are there alternative approaches, like specific dog hours or open dog hours, that might accommodate more pups? Does priority for the closest neighbors or greatest contributors make this space less available to diverse people? Does the significant annual cost make this space less available to diverse people? Maybe the current approach is the best approach, but it sure seems like it would benefit from a rethink 20 years later. The world has changed in many ways.

--Your friend on Quebec

Thank you for posting this. It more diplomatically expresses my frustration that, even if we live in an apartment building within walking distance, only those who live in multimillion dollar houses a few blocks from Rosedale and make significant contributions are prioritized/ ever make it off the waitlist.

I recommend the Cathedral Grounds. We walk our dog there all the time (there is no off-leash area). I’ve observed a lot of diversity there, including racial/ ethnic diversity, families and groups of young people, and people speaking other languages. It feels very welcoming and is busy during the week, too.

Good recommendation. They could also just go to the Newark Street Dog Park that is literally just 2 blocks away. Or Macomb Park one block away or Hearst two blocks in the other direction. There is no shortage of public spaces they can take their dog. The OPs complaint makes claims and insinuations that are false.

PLEASE do not take your dogs to children's playgrounds like Macomb or schools like Hearst. The dog park at Newark and the Cathedral Grounds are great ideas. There are also some open areas in Glover-Archibald park that I see dogs running around in, but I don't know the rules there for dogs off-leash.

If they keep their dog on leash, there is no problem taking them to the fields at Macomb or Heast so long as they clean up after their pet and especially at Hearst don’t let them dig up or damage the grass.

Macomb Street Playground is posted for no dogs. No exceptions. It’s a playground for little kids.

Are you sure? I thought the signs were to not allow dogs in the playground area and especially the splash park due to sanitation, but they are allowed on the baseball field.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:does anyone remember going there before all of the signs were up? I used to go all of the time with my dog and saw nothing about needing a special tag.

Then you must be thinking of 25 years ago when Youth for Understanding owned the property and informally let people take their dogs in. It was a weedy dust bowl then. Rosedale Conservancy has always required registration and tags. Rosedale today is an incredible asset for CP.

Oh stop it - Rosedale was beautiful. I grew up three blocks from Rosedale and we used to play and bring our dog. As an adult, I took my kids and dog there to play when we visited my folks. It was lovely and yes, owned by Youth for Understanding. Prior to that it was owned by NCS.

So while in theory I appreciate that the neighborhood was able to purchase some of the land to preserve as green space, the rules and restrictions leave a bad taste in my mouth. I was living in CP with my own family when it became "Rosedale Conservancy" and yes, paid the dues to be allowed to bring our pup to play. But gave it up as the off-leash hours were very limited, and I decided to just take walks in Rock Creek.

[Anonymous]

It’s not like there’s no place on the area for off-leash dogs. DC has a purpose-built dog park in McLean Gardens. Unlike Rosedale, it is free, fully fenced, and does not limit the number of dogs.