Is Rosedale Conservancy run by NIMBYs?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes, it is the old guard of Cleveland Park who created the HOA there to keep out a school.


Cuz’ that’s what the old guard does - keep schools out of the neighborhood. Just ask Beauvoir, Eaton, National Cathedral School, NCRC, WIS, St Albans, Sidwell Friends, Maret, Hearst, CP Congregational Church and Adas preschools. All kept out of the neighborhood by those awful NIMBYs!



All of those schools have been there more than 70 years. The NIMBYs are hoidovers from the 1970's.
Anonymous
does anyone remember going there before all of the signs were up? I used to go all of the time with my dog and saw nothing about needing a special tag.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:does anyone remember going there before all of the signs were up? I used to go all of the time with my dog and saw nothing about needing a special tag.


Then you must be thinking of 25 years ago when Youth for Understanding owned the property and informally let people take their dogs in. It was a weedy dust bowl then. Rosedale Conservancy has always required registration and tags. Rosedale today is an incredible asset for CP.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:does anyone remember going there before all of the signs were up? I used to go all of the time with my dog and saw nothing about needing a special tag.


When was that?
Anonymous
The Rosedale Conservancy is one of the greatest treasures in the city. It is park that is open to all humans and a limited number of dogs. I attended a concert last week -- open to everyone, free of charge -- and it was amazing to see people from 1-90 years old enjoying the music, playing soccer, climbing trees. They also host picnics, pumpkin carvings, and an Easter egg hunt that are OPEN TO EVERYONE, free of charge. This is a good thing.
Anonymous
omg who cares, rich people vs rich people and they’re probably all the same level of good or bad. Sometimes a story isn’t very interesting
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:omg who cares, rich people vs rich people and they’re probably all the same level of good or bad. Sometimes a story isn’t very interesting

Petty and jealous affluent people, aka the petite bourgeoisie, are always the most angry and dangerous.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:omg who cares, rich people vs rich people and they’re probably all the same level of good or bad. Sometimes a story isn’t very interesting

Petty and jealous affluent people, aka the petite bourgeoisie, are always the most angry and dangerous.


You nailed the western half of Cleveland Park!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:omg who cares, rich people vs rich people and they’re probably all the same level of good or bad. Sometimes a story isn’t very interesting

Petty and jealous affluent people, aka the petite bourgeoisie, are always the most angry and dangerous.


You nailed the western half of Cleveland Park!

If that includes the OP complaining because they cannot walk their dog on private property, then sure.
Anonymous
Hello,
My name is Danna McCormick and I've been on the Board of Rosedale for the past 20 years, (since it's inception), and I currently serve as treasurer.
I'd like to help people understand what Rosedale is - and isn't. It may not change your mind or opinion, but at least you'll be better informed with the facts. I apologize in advance for the lengthy post.

A few cliff notes of history:
20 years ago the neighborhood pulled together and raised 8 million dollars to protect the three acres of green space from development in perpetuity. One developer wanted to build 85 town homes on the property, another 125. The private school that was interested in the purchase of Rosedale would have closed off public access to the green space. (Rosedale has a long history of being the neighborhood's "village green"). There was a legal covenant in place that granted the neighbors last right of refusal, and they exercised the covenant. Once the property was purchased, the Conservancy was formed. At its core, Rosedale is a *land conservancy* and our mission is to protect the historically landmarked grounds. Rosedale's history dates back to the 1730's, which you can read on our website, rosedaleconservancy.org.

As a privately funded public park, Rosedale is open - to anyone - from sunrise to sunset to enjoy this rare urban green space. Rosedale welcomes the community for family gatherings, community picnics, Easter egg hunts, outdoor concerts, fall pumpkin patch, yoga classes, among other events. All free, all open to the public.

It cost about $80,000 each year to keep maintain the lawns, tree care, irrigation, etc. That's a lot of money to raise each and every year, and our model for donations is annual membership. Anyone can become a member of Rosedale and we welcome your support. Since inception, we have created use rules to allow our members to bring their dogs. We require membership and dog registration so that dog owners understand and agree to abide by the use rules we've established, and for communication in the event of any altercations. Because we're a land conservancy and our mission is to protect the grounds, we limit the number of dogs to ensure against overuse and degradation of the property. The dog registration process has been in place for 20 years. This year there are 300 dogs registered at Rosedale. Yes, 300. The first use rule is that no dog may enter Rosedale without wearing its Rosedale tag. If your dog is not registered with Rosedale, please don't bring it Rosedale.

Here is the current - and impossible - situation we find ourselves in... every year the interest in dog registrations has increased, and in 2020 it exploded. We put up a wait list and had to take it down as there are now 500+ dogs on the wait list. Yes, over 500. The pandemic puppy phenomenon is real, and the demand has been overwhelming. Given the demand, we give priority to our members, supporters and close neighbors who can walk to Rosedale. Likewise, we strongly discourage Rosedale as a destination place to take your dog. Why? Because we don't think it's fair for someone from Chevy Chase DC or Shaw or Glover Park to be able to drive their dog to use Rosedale, yet someone who lives two blocks away can't walk their dog there. Further, we have found over the past 20 years that the people that value and support Rosedale the most, use it for so many reasons beyond dog use. Because most dogs live 10-15 years, and most members renew each year, there just isn't a lot of turnover.

I can understand why some may think it's some sort of exclusive, snotty club because they don't have all the context. Hopefully I've explained why the dog situation is what it is, and that our mission is not to run a dog park.
Thank you for listening,
Danna McCormick
Anonymous
Danna-

Thank you for weighing in with this context. Our family regularly enjoys Rosedale, and it is an incredible asset to the community. The negativity here is unjustified.

I do want to acknowledge two points of partial agreement with the prior posts, though. First, Rosedale could be more transparent about the dog registration waitlist length and factors, like you have been here. Providing this type of information on the website would be valuable.

Second, I urge you to reevaluate how Rosedale balances preservation and dog friendliness and how it allocates slots. Is 300 the right number, or could Rosedale accommodate more without changing the feel of the space? Are there alternative approaches, like specific dog hours or open dog hours, that might accommodate more pups? Does priority for the closest neighbors or greatest contributors make this space less available to diverse people? Does the significant annual cost make this space less available to diverse people? Maybe the current approach is the best approach, but it sure seems like it would benefit from a rethink 20 years later. The world has changed in many ways.

--Your friend on Quebec
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Danna-

Thank you for weighing in with this context. Our family regularly enjoys Rosedale, and it is an incredible asset to the community. The negativity here is unjustified.

I do want to acknowledge two points of partial agreement with the prior posts, though. First, Rosedale could be more transparent about the dog registration waitlist length and factors, like you have been here. Providing this type of information on the website would be valuable.

Second, I urge you to reevaluate how Rosedale balances preservation and dog friendliness and how it allocates slots. Is 300 the right number, or could Rosedale accommodate more without changing the feel of the space? Are there alternative approaches, like specific dog hours or open dog hours, that might accommodate more pups? Does priority for the closest neighbors or greatest contributors make this space less available to diverse people? Does the significant annual cost make this space less available to diverse people? Maybe the current approach is the best approach, but it sure seems like it would benefit from a rethink 20 years later. The world has changed in many ways.

--Your friend on Quebec


Thank you for posting this. It more diplomatically expresses my frustration that, even if we live in an apartment building within walking distance, only those who live in multimillion dollar houses a few blocks from Rosedale and make significant contributions are prioritized/ ever make it off the waitlist.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:omg who cares, rich people vs rich people and they’re probably all the same level of good or bad. Sometimes a story isn’t very interesting

Petty and jealous affluent people, aka the petite bourgeoisie, are always the most angry and dangerous.

LOL, yes that's why CP is rife with gun violence. I don't know if you were being tongue in cheek, PP, but desperate people with nothing to lose are always the most angry and dangerous.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:omg who cares, rich people vs rich people and they’re probably all the same level of good or bad. Sometimes a story isn’t very interesting

Petty and jealous affluent people, aka the petite bourgeoisie, are always the most angry and dangerous.

LOL, yes that's why CP is rife with gun violence. I don't know if you were being tongue in cheek, PP, but desperate people with nothing to lose are always the most angry and dangerous.

Actually, it’s the people that have things to lose that are the most dangerous.
Anonymous
Thank you Dana. I wish you and your organization continued success!
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