Is Rosedale Conservancy run by NIMBYs?

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Some of this has been helpful for understanding the dynamic at Rosedale - particularly the archived Washington Post article about the other buyer, and the Rosedale Board member's post about how the waitlist prioritized close neighbors (although I'm not sure what the perimeter is for that). I'm not sure if some of the defensiveness here is by people who actually live in the area or just trolls, but it does seem consistent with the attitudes on the CP listserv.

Considering that the park is often empty, I do hope that the Conservancy will think more about whether it's a welcoming environment for all and whether some policies could be adjusted to encourage more use of the park (by both dog and non-dog owners). Macomb and the Cathedral Grounds, for example, are very well used by a variety of people.

Macomb Playground and the Cathedral Close are not open to off-leash dogs, ever. And people (whether members or not) are welcome at Rosedale at any time during daylight hours.

OP here. As explained in several previous posts, even on-leash dogs must be "registered" to enter Rosedale. On leash dogs can enter Cathedral Grounds, also discussed above. I did not say that dogs, off leash or otherwise can enter Macomb playground (dogs do no belong on playgrounds). I did say that Macomb is very well used by a variety of people.

[Anonymous]

Hi - Bob Ward from Cleveland Park Smart Growth here. Was just told about this thread and that it was talking about CPSG. Big fan of our non-profit community resources like Rosedale, Tregaron and the Cleveland Park Club. Not sure how CPSG got dragged into this, but it's not a discussion we would endorse, let alone start. And honestly don't see how it has anything to do with ANC races. Just reading a few of these other posts and, yikes! Probably should add while CPSG endorsed Keith Mantel, neither I or CPSG played any role in asking him to run. I first met Keith after he was a declared candidate. And for what its worth, and what I know about him, I don't think he'd appreciate being associated with this thread either.

Best,

Bob Ward
Cleveland Park Smart Growth (cpsmartgrowth.com)

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Anonymous wrote:Hi - Bob Ward from Cleveland Park Smart Growth here. Was just told about this thread and that it was talking about CPSG. Big fan of our non-profit community resources like Rosedale, Tregaron and the Cleveland Park Club. Not sure how CPSG got dragged into this, but it's not a discussion we would endorse, let alone start. And honestly don't see how it has anything to do with ANC races. Just reading a few of these other posts and, yikes! Probably should add while CPSG endorsed Keith Mantel, neither I or CPSG played any role in asking him to run. I first met Keith after he was a declared candidate. And for what its worth, and what I know about him, I don't think he'd appreciate being associated with this thread either.

Best,

Bob Ward
Cleveland Park Smart Growth (cpsmartgrowth.com)

Hi Bob from Cleveland Park Smart Growth,

I don't believe a word that you just said.

Signed, me and everyone else reading this thread.

I’m so confused. This is a difference of opinion about the dog walking policy at a park. How is this at all related to Cleveland Park Smart Growth (which is a densification and transit group and not dog owners group) or the upcoming elections (since the government isn’t going to tell the park what to do)? Am I missing something here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What's with all the drama in this discussion? I feel like Cleveland Park topics instantly turn toxic these days whenever someone suggests a possible change in the neighborhood. Maybe it's the divisive Connecticut Avenue proposal infecting everything.

PPs suggest that Rosedale could maybe accommodate the limited number of dogs in a more equitable way. Other PPs then screech about private property and attacking creators. Isn't this a pretty basic point about how we could have a more welcoming neighborhood? I won't defend OP's unnecessary use of the term NIMBY, but other PPs make reasonable suggestions. Why can't we have a low temperature discussion about a nonprofit community resource?

You found me "screechy" to say we don't belong to Rosedale and don't begrudge those who do?

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Anonymous wrote:Hi - Bob Ward from Cleveland Park Smart Growth here. Was just told about this thread and that it was talking about CPSG. Big fan of our non-profit community resources like Rosedale, Tregaron and the Cleveland Park Club. Not sure how CPSG got dragged into this, but it's not a discussion we would endorse, let alone start. And honestly don't see how it has anything to do with ANC races. Just reading a few of these other posts and, yikes! Probably should add while CPSG endorsed Keith Mantel, neither I or CPSG played any role in asking him to run. I first met Keith after he was a declared candidate. And for what its worth, and what I know about him, I don't think he'd appreciate being associated with this thread either.

Best,

Bob Ward
Cleveland Park Smart Growth (cpsmartgrowth.com)

Hi Bob from Cleveland Park Smart Growth,

I don't believe a word that you just said.

Signed, me and everyone else reading this thread.

I’m so confused. This is a difference of opinion about the dog walking policy at a park. How is this at all related to Cleveland Park Smart Growth (which is a densification and transit group and not dog owners group) or the upcoming elections (since the government isn’t going to tell the park what to do)? Am I missing something here?

Take a look at any threads that might have to do with Cleveland Park. When you see conspiracy theories being espoused, like in the Conn Ave bike lane thread, just sit back and bask in it. This is one of your neighbors and they are big mad.

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Anonymous wrote:I call troll. OP is trying to stir up animosity towards an ANC candidate that serves on the Rosedale board. No one who is on the waiting list for a dog spot there is this ignorant. There are one or two people in all of these Cleveland Park-adjacent threads that are trying to divide the neighborhood and now are throwing around the NIMBY acronym. It’s sad.

If this is true, this a really sad person to try to anonymously impugn people online over something as meaningless as an ANC election. It is honestly really sad.

Yes, the poster has been busy in at least three or four threads talking about the candidate running against “Keith.” Who is Keith? Keith, call off you goon.

Keith Mantel a real estate agent running for ANC backed by Cleveland Park Smart Growth.

He was neither recruited nor is funded by Cleveland Park Smart Growth, so be careful with assertions. They endorsed him after he answered their candidate questionnaire to their liking. Keith's opponent - Rick of CP Historic Society and his many failed lawsuits - did not earn CPSG's support.

DP but are you confirming this bizarre attack on Rosedale is part of political hit job related to an ANC election and that your group is a part of and endorses that? Crazy that you seem to freely admit it and it’s honestly really sad. Seriously grow up.

I am not the OP. The regular CP Nimbys on here have attempted to make this (and everything!) about the ANC election. But I really enjoy a good conspiracy theory! Your theory is that this post is a hit job by smart growthers? Get some help.

And now we turn to the GGW/CPSG gaslighting phase of the discussion.

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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Hi - Bob Ward from Cleveland Park Smart Growth here. Was just told about this thread and that it was talking about CPSG. Big fan of our non-profit community resources like Rosedale, Tregaron and the Cleveland Park Club. Not sure how CPSG got dragged into this, but it's not a discussion we would endorse, let alone start. And honestly don't see how it has anything to do with ANC races. Just reading a few of these other posts and, yikes! Probably should add while CPSG endorsed Keith Mantel, neither I or CPSG played any role in asking him to run. I first met Keith after he was a declared candidate. And for what its worth, and what I know about him, I don't think he'd appreciate being associated with this thread either.

Best,

Bob Ward
Cleveland Park Smart Growth (cpsmartgrowth.com)[/quote]

Hi Bob from Cleveland Park Smart Growth,

I don't believe a word that you just said.

Signed, me and everyone else reading this thread.[/quote]

I’m so confused. This is a difference of opinion about the dog walking policy at a park. How is this at all related to Cleveland Park Smart Growth (which is a densification and transit group and not dog owners group) or the upcoming elections (since the government isn’t going to tell the park what to do)? Am I missing something here?[/quote]

Take a look at any threads that might have to do with Cleveland Park. When you see conspiracy theories being espoused, like in the Conn Ave bike lane thread, just sit back and bask in it. This is one of your neighbors and they are big mad.[/quote]

Or not. Some of the GGW smartgrowth posters who take up the most oxygen on the Cleveland Park list serve in support of bike lanes, development and the like are not CP residents.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi - Bob Ward from Cleveland Park Smart Growth here. Was just told about this thread and that it was talking about CPSG. Big fan of our non-profit community resources like Rosedale, Tregaron and the Cleveland Park Club. Not sure how CPSG got dragged into this, but it's not a discussion we would endorse, let alone start. And honestly don't see how it has anything to do with ANC races. Just reading a few of these other posts and, yikes! Probably should add while CPSG endorsed Keith Mantel, neither I or CPSG played any role in asking him to run. I first met Keith after he was a declared candidate. And for what its worth, and what I know about him, I don't think he'd appreciate being associated with this thread either.

Best,

Bob Ward
Cleveland Park Smart Growth (cpsmartgrowth.com)

Hi Bob from Cleveland Park Smart Growth,

I don't believe a word that you just said.

Signed, me and everyone else reading this thread.

I’m so confused. This is a difference of opinion about the dog walking policy at a park. How is this at all related to Cleveland Park Smart Growth (which is a densification and transit group and not dog owners group) or the upcoming elections (since the government isn’t going to tell the park what to do)? Am I missing something here?

Take a look at any threads that might have to do with Cleveland Park. When you see conspiracy theories being espoused, like in the Conn Ave bike lane thread, just sit back and bask in it. This is one of your neighbors and they are big mad.

The thread title is literally: “Is Rosedale Conservancy run by NIMBYs?”

The conspiracy theory starts with the OP, who doesn’t like NIMBYs and therefore would presumably be an ally of CPSG. The obvious next questions are: who hates NIMBYs in Cleveland Park and would accuse Rosedale of such and why.

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Anonymous wrote:I call troll. OP is trying to stir up animosity towards an ANC candidate that serves on the Rosedale board. No one who is on the waiting list for a dog spot there is this ignorant. There are one or two people in all of these Cleveland Park-adjacent threads that are trying to divide the neighborhood and now are throwing around the NIMBY acronym. It’s sad.

If this is true, this a really sad person to try to anonymously impugn people online over something as meaningless as an ANC election. It is honestly really sad.

Yes, the poster has been busy in at least three or four threads talking about the candidate running against “Keith.” Who is Keith? Keith, call off you goon.

Keith Mantel a real estate agent running for ANC backed by Cleveland Park Smart Growth.

He was neither recruited nor is funded by Cleveland Park Smart Growth, so be careful with assertions. They endorsed him after he answered their candidate questionnaire to their liking. Keith's opponent - Rick of CP Historic Society and his many failed lawsuits - did not earn CPSG's support.

DP but are you confirming this bizarre attack on Rosedale is part of political hit job related to an ANC election and that your group is a part of and endorses that? Crazy that you seem to freely admit it and it’s honestly really sad. Seriously grow up.

I am not the OP. The regular CP Nimbys on here have attempted to make this (and everything!) about the ANC election. But I really enjoy a good conspiracy theory! Your theory is that this post is a hit job by smart growthers? Get some help.

And now we turn to the GGW/CPSG gaslighting phase of the discussion.

I don't know how you can say that with a straight face when the NIMBYs trolling this thread have posted nothing but innuendos, lies, and ad hominem attacks, and then calls other people the problem.

[Anonymous]

This is now the level of discourse in our neighborhood and in our micro-local elections. It makes me sad.

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Anonymous wrote:I call troll. OP is trying to stir up animosity towards an ANC candidate that serves on the Rosedale board. No one who is on the waiting list for a dog spot there is this ignorant. There are one or two people in all of these Cleveland Park-adjacent threads that are trying to divide the neighborhood and now are throwing around the NIMBY acronym. It’s sad.

If this is true, this a really sad person to try to anonymously impugn people online over something as meaningless as an ANC election. It is honestly really sad.

Yes, the poster has been busy in at least three or four threads talking about the candidate running against “Keith.” Who is Keith? Keith, call off you goon.

Keith Mantel a real estate agent running for ANC backed by Cleveland Park Smart Growth.

He was neither recruited nor is funded by Cleveland Park Smart Growth, so be careful with assertions. They endorsed him after he answered their candidate questionnaire to their liking. Keith's opponent - Rick of CP Historic Society and his many failed lawsuits - did not earn CPSG's support.

DP but are you confirming this bizarre attack on Rosedale is part of political hit job related to an ANC election and that your group is a part of and endorses that? Crazy that you seem to freely admit it and it’s honestly really sad. Seriously grow up.

I am not the OP. The regular CP Nimbys on here have attempted to make this (and everything!) about the ANC election. But I really enjoy a good conspiracy theory! Your theory is that this post is a hit job by smart growthers? Get some help.

And now we turn to the GGW/CPSG gaslighting phase of the discussion.

I don't know how you can say that with a straight face when the NIMBYs trolling this thread have posted nothing but innuendos, lies, and ad hominem attacks, and then calls other people the problem.

Use of the term NIMBY by OP and PP is itself an ad hominem attack. It’s a derogatory term. Supporters of Rosedale didn’t start this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:I call troll. OP is trying to stir up animosity towards an ANC candidate that serves on the Rosedale board. No one who is on the waiting list for a dog spot there is this ignorant. There are one or two people in all of these Cleveland Park-adjacent threads that are trying to divide the neighborhood and now are throwing around the NIMBY acronym. It’s sad.

If this is true, this a really sad person to try to anonymously impugn people online over something as meaningless as an ANC election. It is honestly really sad.

Yes, the poster has been busy in at least three or four threads talking about the candidate running against “Keith.” Who is Keith? Keith, call off you goon.

Keith Mantel a real estate agent running for ANC backed by Cleveland Park Smart Growth.

He was neither recruited nor is funded by Cleveland Park Smart Growth, so be careful with assertions. They endorsed him after he answered their candidate questionnaire to their liking. Keith's opponent - Rick of CP Historic Society and his many failed lawsuits - did not earn CPSG's support.

DP but are you confirming this bizarre attack on Rosedale is part of political hit job related to an ANC election and that your group is a part of and endorses that? Crazy that you seem to freely admit it and it’s honestly really sad. Seriously grow up.

I am not the OP. The regular CP Nimbys on here have attempted to make this (and everything!) about the ANC election. But I really enjoy a good conspiracy theory! Your theory is that this post is a hit job by smart growthers? Get some help.

And now we turn to the GGW/CPSG gaslighting phase of the discussion.

I don't know how you can say that with a straight face when the NIMBYs trolling this thread have posted nothing but innuendos, lies, and ad hominem attacks, and then calls other people the problem.

Use of the term NIMBY by OP and PP is itself an ad hominem attack. It’s a derogatory term. Supporters of Rosedale didn’t start this thread.

How is it a derogatory term or ad hominem? It very accurately describes their policy preferences.

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Anonymous wrote:I call troll. OP is trying to stir up animosity towards an ANC candidate that serves on the Rosedale board. No one who is on the waiting list for a dog spot there is this ignorant. There are one or two people in all of these Cleveland Park-adjacent threads that are trying to divide the neighborhood and now are throwing around the NIMBY acronym. It’s sad.

If this is true, this a really sad person to try to anonymously impugn people online over something as meaningless as an ANC election. It is honestly really sad.

Yes, the poster has been busy in at least three or four threads talking about the candidate running against “Keith.” Who is Keith? Keith, call off you goon.

Keith Mantel a real estate agent running for ANC backed by Cleveland Park Smart Growth.

He was neither recruited nor is funded by Cleveland Park Smart Growth, so be careful with assertions. They endorsed him after he answered their candidate questionnaire to their liking. Keith's opponent - Rick of CP Historic Society and his many failed lawsuits - did not earn CPSG's support.

DP but are you confirming this bizarre attack on Rosedale is part of political hit job related to an ANC election and that your group is a part of and endorses that? Crazy that you seem to freely admit it and it’s honestly really sad. Seriously grow up.

I am not the OP. The regular CP Nimbys on here have attempted to make this (and everything!) about the ANC election. But I really enjoy a good conspiracy theory! Your theory is that this post is a hit job by smart growthers? Get some help.

And now we turn to the GGW/CPSG gaslighting phase of the discussion.

I don't know how you can say that with a straight face when the NIMBYs trolling this thread have posted nothing but innuendos, lies, and ad hominem attacks, and then calls other people the problem.

Use of the term NIMBY by OP and PP is itself an ad hominem attack. It’s a derogatory term. Supporters of Rosedale didn’t start this thread.

How is it a derogatory term or ad hominem? It very accurately describes their policy preferences.

If it hadn’t been for Cleveland Park neighbors so pejoratively attacked and dismissed as”NIMBYs”, there would be no Rosedale Conservancy or — Tregaron. So thankful for their farsighted “policy preferences.”

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Anonymous wrote:When the ANC redistricting Task Force cut up historic Cleveland Park to reduce single family homeowners’ input on matters on Connecticut Avenue, people advocating for the gerrymandering said repeatedly on this board and elsewhere that single family homeowners blocks from Connecticut Avenue should butt out and focus on their own part of the “neighborhood,” as if Cleveland Park wasn’t one neighborhood. Guess that argument doesn’t apply here to the same divisive GGW/CP Smartgrowthers, trying to ram through their man Keith by whining about imagined exclusions for apartment dwellers on Connecticut Ave, the other side of the neighborhood. These same apartment dwellers currently hold 8 out of 9 ANC seats in Cleveland Park. Can’t exactly say they’re underrepresented.

8 of 9 are apartment dwellers? That will be news to a few of them, including Commissioner Dyer, Commissioner Hoyt, Commissioner Pagats, and Commissioner Siddiqui.

Also, please provide some links to people telling homeowners to butt out. Odds are you cannot because it didn't happen.

Apparently Commissioner Siddiqui himself said in a recent meeting with residents of Sedgwick Gardens that he lives in an apartment, even though technically he lives in a condo. People use the terms condo, co-op and apartment interchangeably. The point is the CP ANC has few SFH dwelling Commissioners and Rosedale isn’t open only to SFH dwellers so often vilified by Smartgrowth proponents.

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Anonymous wrote:When the ANC redistricting Task Force cut up historic Cleveland Park to reduce single family homeowners’ input on matters on Connecticut Avenue, people advocating for the gerrymandering said repeatedly on this board and elsewhere that single family homeowners blocks from Connecticut Avenue should butt out and focus on their own part of the “neighborhood,” as if Cleveland Park wasn’t one neighborhood. Guess that argument doesn’t apply here to the same divisive GGW/CP Smartgrowthers, trying to ram through their man Keith by whining about imagined exclusions for apartment dwellers on Connecticut Ave, the other side of the neighborhood. These same apartment dwellers currently hold 8 out of 9 ANC seats in Cleveland Park. Can’t exactly say they’re underrepresented.

8 of 9 are apartment dwellers? That will be news to a few of them, including Commissioner Dyer, Commissioner Hoyt, Commissioner Pagats, and Commissioner Siddiqui.

Also, please provide some links to people telling homeowners to butt out. Odds are you cannot because it didn't happen.

Apparently Commissioner Siddiqui himself said in a recent meeting with residents of Sedgwick Gardens that he lives in an apartment, even though technically he lives in a condo. People use the terms condo, co-op and apartment interchangeably. The point is the CP ANC has few SFH dwelling Commissioners and Rosedale isn’t open only to SFH dwellers so often vilified by Smartgrowth proponents.

This whole homeowner vs apartment dweller (or more accurately, SFH vs multi family building resident) is overly simplistic, silly … and not a little hypocritical. For example, the current ANC chairman boasted when he ran for the DC Council that he was the only “renter” in the race. Fair enough, because he rents a pied a terre in DC - while living much of the time in the Maryland SFH that he owns.