Is Rosedale Conservancy run by NIMBYs?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The antisemitic comments at the time were sickening. Maybe you weren't there, or maybe you are tone deaf to them. Neither I, nor many of may neighbors thought it was acceptable.

And, the school said they would allow people to continue to run their dogs on the front lawn.

Facts matter.

There were none. You’re a liar and sick person. A significant portion of the CP community and several people involved were Jewish. Stop lying. There’s someone seriously wrong with you.

I am Jewish. I witnessed and heard it with my own ears. And yes, many of my neighbohood heard it too, it was really disheartening.

You have invented a fantasy.

[Anonymous]

Or you are tone deaf to it. There were things said and written at the time, and it was well known among many who live or lived, in the neighborhood.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious when this started? I used to take my dog there all the time and had no idea that there was a waiting list.

I'm not sure but there are signs everywhere that only dogs with membership tags can go in, even if they're on leash. It's weird because when we walk by during the week there's no one there. That's why I started to suspect something was going on, and then the ANC thing provided more details.

There are no people with dogs there during the day because the dog hours are restricted to a few hours in the morning and again in the evening so people who aren’t dog people can enjoy the space without dogs. The grounds are open to everyone at no charge, but if you want to bring a dog, you have to abide by the dog hours and register them. It’s not some conspiracy or NIMBY thing…it’s a neighborhood amenity that is open to all.

This is not true. Registered dogs can enter whenever the park is open. Only off-leash hours are restricted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm curious when this started? I used to take my dog there all the time and had no idea that there was a waiting list.

I'm not sure but there are signs everywhere that only dogs with membership tags can go in, even if they're on leash. It's weird because when we walk by during the week there's no one there. That's why I started to suspect something was going on, and then the ANC thing provided more details.

There are no people with dogs there during the day because the dog hours are restricted to a few hours in the morning and again in the evening so people who aren’t dog people can enjoy the space without dogs. The grounds are open to everyone at no charge, but if you want to bring a dog, you have to abide by the dog hours and register them. It’s not some conspiracy or NIMBY thing…it’s a neighborhood amenity that is open to all.

This is not true. Registered dogs can enter whenever the park is open. Only off-leash hours are restricted.

To clarify - registered dogs can enter at any time, and they have some specific off-leash hours. Non-registered dogs can never enter, even though the park is typically empty. That's why the rules are suspect - dogs are always allowed in. They could just register more dogs. Off leash hours could stay they same.

Has anyone here every gotten off the waitlist? We're wondering whether they ever allow locals who live in the apartment buildings. Or if it is as screened as it seems to be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The antisemitic comments at the time were sickening. Maybe you weren't there, or maybe you are tone deaf to them. Neither I, nor many of may neighbors thought it was acceptable.

And, the school said they would allow people to continue to run their dogs on the front lawn.

Facts matter.

There were none. You’re a liar and sick person. A significant portion of the CP community and several people involved were Jewish. Stop lying. There’s someone seriously wrong with you.

I was in Forest Hills, another neighborhood JPDS considered when they got forced out of Rosedale. The number of comments I heard about “it would be one thing if it were a school I would consider for my own kids”. Or “Who cares if they bring jobs like Hebrew teacher” was nauseating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm curious when this started? I used to take my dog there all the time and had no idea that there was a waiting list.

I'm not sure but there are signs everywhere that only dogs with membership tags can go in, even if they're on leash. It's weird because when we walk by during the week there's no one there. That's why I started to suspect something was going on, and then the ANC thing provided more details.

There are no people with dogs there during the day because the dog hours are restricted to a few hours in the morning and again in the evening so people who aren’t dog people can enjoy the space without dogs. The grounds are open to everyone at no charge, but if you want to bring a dog, you have to abide by the dog hours and register them. It’s not some conspiracy or NIMBY thing…it’s a neighborhood amenity that is open to all.

This is not true. Registered dogs can enter whenever the park is open. Only off-leash hours are restricted.

To clarify - registered dogs can enter at any time, and they have some specific off-leash hours. Non-registered dogs can never enter, even though the park is typically empty. That's why the rules are suspect - dogs are always allowed in. They could just register more dogs. Off leash hours could stay they same.

Has anyone here every gotten off the waitlist? We're wondering whether they ever allow locals who live in the apartment buildings. Or if it is as screened as it seems to be.

You should ask.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We recently moved to the CP area and became dues-paying members of Rosedale. However, they said that it's pretty much hopeless for us to get off of the dog waiting list (even though there's no one using the park at all during the day). And after watching the ANC forum last night, I'm aware that a NIMBY ANC candidate is a director of the Conservancy.

Is Rosedale run by NIMBYs? Or otherwise just an exclusive org for elite hobnobbing? We were excited to use the Park and get involved but haven't found it welcoming.

The fact that Rosedale exists at all is because your neighbors that you derogatorily call NIMBYs all pitched in to purchase the property when it went up for sale instead of allowing it to be developed. It is private property and you are lucky that they let you use it at all, so stop your whining.

Uh, some of us would have been fine if it had become a school. The same front yard dog access would have remained. Instead, those neighbors bought lots and developed them themselves and have made bank on their investments and self dealing.

Uh, I doubt that. Name another school that gives over its "front yard" to dog owners who want a place to run their dogs off leash. Who's to say there would even be a "front yard" and not buildings on the majority of the land.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I call troll. OP is trying to stir up animosity towards an ANC candidate that serves on the Rosedale board. No one who is on the waiting list for a dog spot there is this ignorant. There are one or two people in all of these Cleveland Park-adjacent threads that are trying to divide the neighborhood and now are throwing around the NIMBY acronym. It’s sad.

If this is true, this a really sad person to try to anonymously impugn people online over something as meaningless as an ANC election. It is honestly really sad.

I don't agree that an ANC election is meaningless, but I am really distressed at how divisive and hardball people are getting over this election. We all have to live together, and dirty politics does not belong in a community election.

[Anonymous]

Rosedale Conservancy is a park open to the general public (not just the Cleveland Park neighborhood and not only to members). Known as Cleveland Park’s village green, Rosedale was established 20 years ago to preserve the grounds (it’s on the National Register of Historic Places) and educate about the property’s history. Rosedale also sponsors a variety of activities for children and adults, such as the popular Easter egg hunt, pumpkin carving, astronomy nights, community picnics, and concerts. Nearly all of the activities are free, and Rosedale depends on the generosity of its members (membership is open to all) to support the activities and maintain the grounds.

Rosedale also welcomes members to bring dogs but dogs must be registered, vaccinated and wear tags while on the property. There is an annual fee for dog registration. Dogs with tags are allowed off leash only during certain hours but must be leashed at all other times so that children and others wishing to enjoy the park may do so without encountering off-leash dogs. However, Rosedale is not a dog park and the conservancy tries hard to balance uses while carrying out its mission to preserve the property. The number of dogs is limited to prevent excessive damage to the grounds. Congressional Cemetary, which also allows registered dogs off leash, has a much longer dog waiting list than Rosedale. It’s worth noting that there is a free and completely fenced DC dog park three blocks from Rosedale that does not limit the number of dogs or require registration. Rosedale was DC’s first land conservancy. Tregaron, also in Cleveland Park, was the second. Tregaron is a spectacular site and is also free and open to the public, but does not allow off leash dogs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a public space or dog park. In general, I don’t see an issue limiting the number of dogs who are permitted to use the grounds of a private facility.

That's right, it's not illegal. It's about the type of community they're trying to welcome and whether OP wants to support it. Like...whether to join certain types of country clubs with checkered histories.

Rosedale is open free to the general public, but not to an unlimited number of their dogs. Dogs are not people. How is that at all like a country club with with a checkered history?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm curious when this started? I used to take my dog there all the time and had no idea that there was a waiting list.

I'm not sure but there are signs everywhere that only dogs with membership tags can go in, even if they're on leash. It's weird because when we walk by during the week there's no one there. That's why I started to suspect something was going on, and then the ANC thing provided more details.

OMG, its a conspiracy of NIMBYs! Why don’t you go ask the city for a public park near you to walk your dog? I am sure they will get right on that.

It turns out that there is such a free, public dog park on the same street as Rosedale and just a few blocks away. So what’s all the the whining (or barking) about?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I call troll. OP is trying to stir up animosity towards an ANC candidate that serves on the Rosedale board. No one who is on the waiting list for a dog spot there is this ignorant. There are one or two people in all of these Cleveland Park-adjacent threads that are trying to divide the neighborhood and now are throwing around the NIMBY acronym. It’s sad.

If this is true, this a really sad person to try to anonymously impugn people online over something as meaningless as an ANC election. It is honestly really sad.

Yes, the poster has been busy in at least three or four threads talking about the candidate running against “Keith.” Who is Keith? Keith, call off you goon.

He is the candidate backed by Greater Greater Washington and Cleveland Park Smart Growth. These interest groups are likely the source.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We recently moved to the CP area and became dues-paying members of Rosedale. However, they said that it's pretty much hopeless for us to get off of the dog waiting list (even though there's no one using the park at all during the day). And after watching the ANC forum last night, I'm aware that a NIMBY ANC candidate is a director of the Conservancy.

Is Rosedale run by NIMBYs? Or otherwise just an exclusive org for elite hobnobbing? We were excited to use the Park and get involved but haven't found it welcoming.

The fact that Rosedale exists at all is because your neighbors that you derogatorily call NIMBYs all pitched in to purchase the property when it went up for sale instead of allowing it to be developed. It is private property and you are lucky that they let you use it at all, so stop your whining.

Uh, some of us would have been fine if it had become a school. The same front yard dog access would have remained. Instead, those neighbors bought lots and developed them themselves and have made bank on their investments and self dealing.

Uh, I doubt that. Name another school that gives over its "front yard" to dog owners who want a place to run their dogs off leash. Who's to say there would even be a "front yard" and not buildings on the majority of the land.

This historical society and the city preservation board.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, it is the old guard of Cleveland Park who created the HOA there to keep out a school.

Cuz’ that’s what the old guard does - keep schools out of the neighborhood. Just ask Beauvoir, Eaton, National Cathedral School, NCRC, WIS, St Albans, Sidwell Friends, Maret, Hearst, CP Congregational Church and Adas preschools. All kept out of the neighborhood by those awful NIMBYs!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We recently moved to the CP area and became dues-paying members of Rosedale. However, they said that it's pretty much hopeless for us to get off of the dog waiting list (even though there's no one using the park at all during the day). And after watching the ANC forum last night, I'm aware that a NIMBY ANC candidate is a director of the Conservancy.

Is Rosedale run by NIMBYs? Or otherwise just an exclusive org for elite hobnobbing? We were excited to use the Park and get involved but haven't found it welcoming.

The fact that Rosedale exists at all is because your neighbors that you derogatorily call NIMBYs all pitched in to purchase the property when it went up for sale instead of allowing it to be developed. It is private property and you are lucky that they let you use it at all, so stop your whining.

Ah ok, so yes. We won't renew our membership.

No doubt you’ll be missed.