The United States Secret Service is a rogue agency

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Anonymous wrote:This is the counter-assault team, specifically.

Do you know what the counter-assault team does? What their job is? What they’re tasked with doing, if called upon? What their training regime is like? Read up on them. It’s not the type of job most people could/would do.


It takes a very particular kind of person to do what they might be called upon to do. It’s a super-alpha-male type of personality that is required, not just to do their specific task, but to even endure the ongoing training. The type of men (and the very, very few women) suited to the team or even capable of doing the job, are of a hyper aggressive, combative, competitive type personality.

They’re basically the attack dogs. Paid to repel (and die) any attack on the President and soak up casualties while the protective team gets the POTUS out of the area of the attack.
People who go to work everyday fully expecting to be engaged in a machinegun and rocket battle against terrorists. And expecting to get wounded or killed at work, if the scenario they train for daily ever happens. These guys aren’t normal. Therefore it’s absurd to apply normal values and mores to them.


As long as they’re fit for duty and report for their shifts, I cut them all the slack in the world for any trouble they get in in off duty hours.

Sorry, my tax dollars are not to support half humans half dogs. You have SO drank the kool aid that these guys drink to justify being above the law.

My dad was a firefighter. He went into FLAMES to save babies when he had babies at home. That is pretty hard core. But no one said he could flaunt laws or morales, nor did he.

You sound like you have watched Topgun (see Jack Nicholson's speech on the witness stand) one too many times.

Let me help you, you poor thing…. The movie you’re referring to is “A Few Good Men”.

And yes, the spirit of the quote is generally accurate. Those people in the CAT are just different. And they should be regarded differently. I’m sorry you’re incapable of processing that. But I guess we all have our limiting factors.

Oh, for chrissakes. Can we not find Americans who can remain as professional as other countries' equivalent teams?

As someone who’s spent quite a bit of time various “teams” (ours and theirs ((and no one calls them “teams”, fyi - they’re PD’s or PQRF’s)) I tell you with absolute certainty that “their” guys are every bit as toxic masculine as ours.

It’s the personality trait of guys like that. Doesn’t matter where they’re from or what language they speak or who they work for, they’re all the same guys.

I've spent time with both "ours" and "theirs" and while the global horndogging and drinking part is true the taking part in a coup thing part is not, at least for the developed world ones.

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These incidents show continuing the lack of professionalism, lack of discipline, lack of leadership and no respect for leadership. The senior leadership has no control over the agents or the agency.

I remember at Benning as a young Lt. If you got in to a fight at a bar you were in trouble. If you were drunk, hitting women and got picked up by the police your career was over. Hell the base commander would put a permanent letter of reprimand in your file if you were cited for not having a seatbelt.

What kind of rabble does the USSS employ? No military branch would tolerate this type of behavior and culture. The commanding general or admiral would be removed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These incidents show continuing the lack of professionalism, lack of discipline, lack of leadership and no respect for leadership. The senior leadership has no control over the agents or the agency.

I remember at Benning as a young Lt. If you got in to a fight at a bar you were in trouble. If you were drunk, hitting women and got picked up by the police your career was over. Hell the base commander would put a permanent letter of reprimand in your file if you were cited for not having a seatbelt.

What kind of rabble does the USSS employ? No military branch would tolerate this type of behavior and culture. The commanding general or admiral would be removed.

They employ the rabble who want to cosplay at being a soldier without the danger

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Anonymous wrote:These incidents show continuing the lack of professionalism, lack of discipline, lack of leadership and no respect for leadership. The senior leadership has no control over the agents or the agency.

I remember at Benning as a young Lt. If you got in to a fight at a bar you were in trouble. If you were drunk, hitting women and got picked up by the police your career was over. Hell the base commander would put a permanent letter of reprimand in your file if you were cited for not having a seatbelt.

What kind of rabble does the USSS employ? No military branch would tolerate this type of behavior and culture. The commanding general or admiral would be removed.

I don't know, but many are definitely rabble. Look at all the scandals in the years past. And that's on top of the deleted texts.

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These are all fairly recent but if you google you will see a reoccurring pattern of this type of behavior. It is totally unprofessional and a clown show. Could you imagine if employees at the FBI, CIA, NSA, US Military, etc behavior in similar way? Basically they drinking, take illegal drugs and go whoring while in the presidential protection detail. Most are married. It’s like a badly written TV show where agents are high vulnerable to blackmail and influence of other countries intelligence agencies.

Oh, they do.

You seem very naive. I agree with you that none of them should do that, yet it's very hard to enforce any kind of accountability from agencies that have strong secrecy mandates and hierarchies, where the top brass severely restrict what outsiders get to know.

[Anonymous]

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These are all fairly recent but if you google you will see a reoccurring pattern of this type of behavior. It is totally unprofessional and a clown show. Could you imagine if employees at the FBI, CIA, NSA, US Military, etc behavior in similar way? Basically they drinking, take illegal drugs and go whoring while in the presidential protection detail. Most are married. It’s like a badly written TV show where agents are high vulnerable to blackmail and influence of other countries intelligence agencies.

Oh, they do.

You seem very naive. I agree with you that none of them should do that, yet it's very hard to enforce any kind of accountability from agencies that have strong secrecy mandates and hierarchies, where the top brass severely restrict what outsiders get to know.

Not really. If those people get busted by authorities there are issues with their clearances. Certainly they drink and whore but there are consequences if they get arrested for a bar fight.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is the counter-assault team, specifically.

Do you know what the counter-assault team does? What their job is? What they’re tasked with doing, if called upon? What their training regime is like? Read up on them. It’s not the type of job most people could/would do.


It takes a very particular kind of person to do what they might be called upon to do. It’s a super-alpha-male type of personality that is required, not just to do their specific task, but to even endure the ongoing training. The type of men (and the very, very few women) suited to the team or even capable of doing the job, are of a hyper aggressive, combative, competitive type personality.

They’re basically the attack dogs. Paid to repel (and die) any attack on the President and soak up casualties while the protective team gets the POTUS out of the area of the attack.
People who go to work everyday fully expecting to be engaged in a machinegun and rocket battle against terrorists. And expecting to get wounded or killed at work, if the scenario they train for daily ever happens. These guys aren’t normal. Therefore it’s absurd to apply normal values and mores to them.


As long as they’re fit for duty and report for their shifts, I cut them all the slack in the world for any trouble they get in in off duty hours.

Sorry, my tax dollars are not to support half humans half dogs. You have SO drank the kool aid that these guys drink to justify being above the law.

My dad was a firefighter. He went into FLAMES to save babies when he had babies at home. That is pretty hard core. But no one said he could flaunt laws or morales, nor did he.

You sound like you have watched Topgun (see Jack Nicholson's speech on the witness stand) one too many times.

THIS + 1 Milion..... and Hinkley was a loon... that hardly can be described as " going to work every day expecting to be engaged with Terrorists" - what terrorists ? Momica Lewinski ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the counter-assault team, specifically.

Do you know what the counter-assault team does? What their job is? What they’re tasked with doing, if called upon? What their training regime is like? Read up on them. It’s not the type of job most people could/would do.


It takes a very particular kind of person to do what they might be called upon to do. It’s a super-alpha-male type of personality that is required, not just to do their specific task, but to even endure the ongoing training. The type of men (and the very, very few women) suited to the team or even capable of doing the job, are of a hyper aggressive, combative, competitive type personality.

They’re basically the attack dogs. Paid to repel (and die) any attack on the President and soak up casualties while the protective team gets the POTUS out of the area of the attack.
People who go to work everyday fully expecting to be engaged in a machinegun and rocket battle against terrorists. And expecting to get wounded or killed at work, if the scenario they train for daily ever happens. These guys aren’t normal. Therefore it’s absurd to apply normal values and mores to them.


As long as they’re fit for duty and report for their shifts, I cut them all the slack in the world for any trouble they get in in off duty hours.

What a load of crap. The president and VP does not trust the agents or the organization. These agents are unfit for duty because of their unprofessional behavior. Married agents whoring, using drugs, drinking, getting in fights at bars while on assignment, etc compromises the mission. Being shown video of yourself having sex with whores and being asked how your wife would like the video is professional? The rot is total. There is no way the current personnel employed and organization needs to be shut down. The US Army can provide protect services till the USSS is rebuilt from the ground up.

Again the current president does not trust the USSS, the former VP does not trust the USSS and the the USSS refused a direct order of a sitting President. The organization can not do its mission.

You don’t understand “the army” if you think most of the military is trained or capable of protecting POTUS.

There are maybe 400 personnel in the US Army who are capable of what the CAT does. And none of them are within 250 miles of here. And those folks are committed to other things right now.

Hahaha you have to love the keyboard warriors who think they know what the Army or USSS does daily. Same folks who hate on the police. First folks who call 9-1-1 on a dime and expect to be saved from every situation. Reading cherry-picked press reports about the USSS and forming opinions about the entirety of the organization is third grade stuff. Be better.

We know what they can't do. Tell the truth
We know what they won't do. Preserve democracy
We know what they don't do. Follow the law.

Are they keystone stone cop incompetent or are they coup plotting evil? Those are the only two choices left after the intentional destruction of those texts.

Major Biden knew

THIS

deleting the Texts during the coup attempt completely DESTROYS the public perception and TRUST Forever....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That tidbit about how pence would not get into the car on Jan 6th really stood out to me as a mature reasonably informed person. I can't recall coverage of any similar incidents........lack of trust in a SS security detail by the person being protected.

Does that happen?

When the news broke it was jaw dropping. This in the US. It was so hard to read.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That tidbit about how pence would not get into the car on Jan 6th really stood out to me as a mature reasonably informed person. I can't recall coverage of any similar incidents........lack of trust in a SS security detail by the person being protected.

Does that happen?

I thought Pence wouldn’t get in the car because he assumed the SS would take him far away from the Capitol building for his own protection—but he needed to stay there to complete his constitutional duties. But maybe I have misunderstood this. Anyone know?

The point was...his concern was about the constitutional duties part...not the protection part.

Just saying that I don’t think there was necessarily a lack of trust on Pence’s part. Just an awareness that their duties conflicted with his duties at that particular moment. But again, maybe I have misunderstood this.

JFC what an intentionally disingenuous comment. You might want to sit on the sidelines and read just a little bit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That tidbit about how pence would not get into the car on Jan 6th really stood out to me as a mature reasonably informed person. I can't recall coverage of any similar incidents........lack of trust in a SS security detail by the person being protected.

Does that happen?

I thought Pence wouldn’t get in the car because he assumed the SS would take him far away from the Capitol building for his own protection—but he needed to stay there to complete his constitutional duties. But maybe I have misunderstood this. Anyone know?

The point was...his concern was about the constitutional duties part...not the protection part.

He was concerned the USSS would stop him for carrying out his constitutional duties. Pence was scared he would be flown off to Alaska because everyone knows the USSS can remove and isolate a president or VP.

Other are saying that Pence was afraid the SS would lead him to the mob and abandoned him.

Some would say that this was their goal.. so that Biden wouldn't be formally "elected" and certified, then Trump would swoop in and declare Marshal law or something. It was in the Insurrectionists' five point plan detailed on a note card or something.

The posters who are trying to refute this are dangerous to democracy.

[Anonymous]

If a president of vice president can't completely trust their secret service detail, that's a problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the counter-assault team, specifically.

Do you know what the counter-assault team does? What their job is? What they’re tasked with doing, if called upon? What their training regime is like? Read up on them. It’s not the type of job most people could/would do.


It takes a very particular kind of person to do what they might be called upon to do. It’s a super-alpha-male type of personality that is required, not just to do their specific task, but to even endure the ongoing training. The type of men (and the very, very few women) suited to the team or even capable of doing the job, are of a hyper aggressive, combative, competitive type personality.

They’re basically the attack dogs. Paid to repel (and die) any attack on the President and soak up casualties while the protective team gets the POTUS out of the area of the attack.
People who go to work everyday fully expecting to be engaged in a machinegun and rocket battle against terrorists. And expecting to get wounded or killed at work, if the scenario they train for daily ever happens. These guys aren’t normal. Therefore it’s absurd to apply normal values and mores to them.


As long as they’re fit for duty and report for their shifts, I cut them all the slack in the world for any trouble they get in in off duty hours.

Sorry, my tax dollars are not to support half humans half dogs. You have SO drank the kool aid that these guys drink to justify being above the law.

My dad was a firefighter. He went into FLAMES to save babies when he had babies at home. That is pretty hard core. But no one said he could flaunt laws or morales, nor did he.

You sound like you have watched Topgun (see Jack Nicholson's speech on the witness stand) one too many times.

Let me help you, you poor thing…. The movie you’re referring to is “A Few Good Men”.

And yes, the spirit of the quote is generally accurate. Those people in the CAT are just different. And they should be regarded differently. I’m sorry you’re incapable of processing that. But I guess we all have our limiting factors.

Oh, for chrissakes. Can we not find Americans who can remain as professional as other countries' equivalent teams?

As someone who’s spent quite a bit of time various “teams” (ours and theirs ((and no one calls them “teams”, fyi - they’re PD’s or PQRF’s)) I tell you with absolute certainty that “their” guys are every bit as toxic masculine as ours.

It’s the personality trait of guys like that. Doesn’t matter where they’re from or what language they speak or who they work for, they’re all the same guys.

Well over 100,000 troops crossed the English Channel on D-day, and that was 1944. I’m sure there are plenty of honest, honorable men and women in the United States brave enough to do this job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That tidbit about how pence would not get into the car on Jan 6th really stood out to me as a mature reasonably informed person. I can't recall coverage of any similar incidents........lack of trust in a SS security detail by the person being protected.

Does that happen?

I thought Pence wouldn’t get in the car because he assumed the SS would take him far away from the Capitol building for his own protection—but he needed to stay there to complete his constitutional duties. But maybe I have misunderstood this. Anyone know?

The point was...his concern was about the constitutional duties part...not the protection part.

Just saying that I don’t think there was necessarily a lack of trust on Pence’s part. Just an awareness that their duties conflicted with his duties at that particular moment. But again, maybe I have misunderstood this.

JFC what an intentionally disingenuous comment. You might want to sit on the sidelines and read just a little bit.

What’s the truth then?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

These are all fairly recent but if you google you will see a reoccurring pattern of this type of behavior. It is totally unprofessional and a clown show. Could you imagine if employees at the FBI, CIA, NSA, US Military, etc behavior in similar way? Basically they drinking, take illegal drugs and go whoring while in the presidential protection detail. Most are married. It’s like a badly written TV show where agents are high vulnerable to blackmail and influence of other countries intelligence agencies.

Oh, they do.

You seem very naive. I agree with you that none of them should do that, yet it's very hard to enforce any kind of accountability from agencies that have strong secrecy mandates and hierarchies, where the top brass severely restrict what outsiders get to know.

Not really. If those people get busted by authorities there are issues with their clearances. Certainly they drink and whore but there are consequences if they get arrested for a bar fight.

What about a Dept of Homeland Security employee that got busted stalking the innocent 13 year old child of 2 American citizens ( one of which is a Diplomat ) and giving his full legal name , age, address in Washington, name of his school to a psychopathic Yemeni of no relation to him ... resulting in death threats against this innocent child .... surely THAT shouldn't happen in America ....

and to think Dept of Homeland Security was created to supposedly " protect America "- so WHY does Dept of Homeland Security put ALL Americans at risk by hiring the sociopathic children of convicted violent felons and then task them with stalking innocent American children ????