The United States Secret Service is a rogue agency

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is the counter-assault team, specifically.

Do you know what the counter-assault team does? What their job is? What they’re tasked with doing, if called upon? What their training regime is like? Read up on them. It’s not the type of job most people could/would do.


It takes a very particular kind of person to do what they might be called upon to do. It’s a super-alpha-male type of personality that is required, not just to do their specific task, but to even endure the ongoing training. The type of men (and the very, very few women) suited to the team or even capable of doing the job, are of a hyper aggressive, combative, competitive type personality.

They’re basically the attack dogs. Paid to repel (and die) any attack on the President and soak up casualties while the protective team gets the POTUS out of the area of the attack.
People who go to work everyday fully expecting to be engaged in a machinegun and rocket battle against terrorists. And expecting to get wounded or killed at work, if the scenario they train for daily ever happens. These guys aren’t normal. Therefore it’s absurd to apply normal values and mores to them.


As long as they’re fit for duty and report for their shifts, I cut them all the slack in the world for any trouble they get in in off duty hours.

It's a cushy retirement for ex special forces or federal officers who want to play operator without the actual danger. They don't go to work every day expecting to be engaging terrorists because they know that they have never had to do so in the past- they have a zero percent causality rate because they only have to play soldier

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fact that this conversation is even happening is destabilizing in itself—whether or not there is any THERE there. Extremely concerning.

How bullies have always conducted business: commit crimes and don’t let anyone talk about it.

You don’t want people to notice your sedition, don’t commit sedition and acts supporting sedition.

Excuse you. I’m just an average civilian aghast at what is happening in this country, and I know enough about failed states to know that a sign of autocracy is the loss of an independent presidential protection service. It’s very bad that trust in the institution is eroding. We don’t want a situation where very new president is raising their own private police force. It may be too late. It might not be too late. Depends on what kind of public accountability happens—which I am fully in support of.

[Anonymous]

That tidbit about how pence would not get into the car on Jan 6th really stood out to me as a mature reasonably informed person. I can't recall coverage of any similar incidents........lack of trust in a SS security detail by the person being protected.

Does that happen?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That tidbit about how pence would not get into the car on Jan 6th really stood out to me as a mature reasonably informed person. I can't recall coverage of any similar incidents........lack of trust in a SS security detail by the person being protected.

Does that happen?

Did it happen? And who will tell us? Under oath.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That tidbit about how pence would not get into the car on Jan 6th really stood out to me as a mature reasonably informed person. I can't recall coverage of any similar incidents........lack of trust in a SS security detail by the person being protected.

Does that happen?

Did it happen? And who will tell us? Under oath.

Have other incidents like that been reported over the years?

[Anonymous]

I feel like this country is at a tipping point. If no one is held accountable, we are doomed. Public confidence — you need to have it. Too many times I’ve seen scandal swept under the rug in order to protect institutions from the fallout, but cumulatively all of that secrecy is more harmful to the public trust. DOJ if you are listening— please, before it’s too late.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That tidbit about how pence would not get into the car on Jan 6th really stood out to me as a mature reasonably informed person. I can't recall coverage of any similar incidents........lack of trust in a SS security detail by the person being protected.

Does that happen?

I thought Pence wouldn’t get in the car because he assumed the SS would take him far away from the Capitol building for his own protection—but he needed to stay there to complete his constitutional duties. But maybe I have misunderstood this. Anyone know?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That tidbit about how pence would not get into the car on Jan 6th really stood out to me as a mature reasonably informed person. I can't recall coverage of any similar incidents........lack of trust in a SS security detail by the person being protected.

Does that happen?

I thought Pence wouldn’t get in the car because he assumed the SS would take him far away from the Capitol building for his own protection—but he needed to stay there to complete his constitutional duties. But maybe I have misunderstood this. Anyone know?

The point was...his concern was about the constitutional duties part...not the protection part.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the counter-assault team, specifically.

Do you know what the counter-assault team does? What their job is? What they’re tasked with doing, if called upon? What their training regime is like? Read up on them. It’s not the type of job most people could/would do.


It takes a very particular kind of person to do what they might be called upon to do. It’s a super-alpha-male type of personality that is required, not just to do their specific task, but to even endure the ongoing training. The type of men (and the very, very few women) suited to the team or even capable of doing the job, are of a hyper aggressive, combative, competitive type personality.

They’re basically the attack dogs. Paid to repel (and die) any attack on the President and soak up casualties while the protective team gets the POTUS out of the area of the attack.
People who go to work everyday fully expecting to be engaged in a machinegun and rocket battle against terrorists. And expecting to get wounded or killed at work, if the scenario they train for daily ever happens. These guys aren’t normal. Therefore it’s absurd to apply normal values and mores to them.


As long as they’re fit for duty and report for their shifts, I cut them all the slack in the world for any trouble they get in in off duty hours.

Sorry, my tax dollars are not to support half humans half dogs. You have SO drank the kool aid that these guys drink to justify being above the law.

My dad was a firefighter. He went into FLAMES to save babies when he had babies at home. That is pretty hard core. But no one said he could flaunt laws or morales, nor did he.

You sound like you have watched Topgun (see Jack Nicholson's speech on the witness stand) one too many times.

I think you're confused. Topgun is a movie about a man dealing with his sexuality (per Quentin Tarantino).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is the counter-assault team, specifically.

Do you know what the counter-assault team does? What their job is? What they’re tasked with doing, if called upon? What their training regime is like? Read up on them. It’s not the type of job most people could/would do.


It takes a very particular kind of person to do what they might be called upon to do. It’s a super-alpha-male type of personality that is required, not just to do their specific task, but to even endure the ongoing training. The type of men (and the very, very few women) suited to the team or even capable of doing the job, are of a hyper aggressive, combative, competitive type personality.

They’re basically the attack dogs. Paid to repel (and die) any attack on the President and soak up casualties while the protective team gets the POTUS out of the area of the attack.
People who go to work everyday fully expecting to be engaged in a machinegun and rocket battle against terrorists. And expecting to get wounded or killed at work, if the scenario they train for daily ever happens. These guys aren’t normal. Therefore it’s absurd to apply normal values and mores to them.


As long as they’re fit for duty and report for their shifts, I cut them all the slack in the world for any trouble they get in in off duty hours.

What a load of crap. The president and VP does not trust the agents or the organization. These agents are unfit for duty because of their unprofessional behavior. Married agents whoring, using drugs, drinking, getting in fights at bars while on assignment, etc compromises the mission. Being shown video of yourself having sex with whores and being asked how your wife would like the video is professional? The rot is total. There is no way the current personnel employed and organization needs to be shut down. The US Army can provide protect services till the USSS is rebuilt from the ground up.

Again the current president does not trust the USSS, the former VP does not trust the USSS and the the USSS refused a direct order of a sitting President. The organization can not do its mission.

You don’t understand “the army” if you think most of the military is trained or capable of protecting POTUS.

There are maybe 400 personnel in the US Army who are capable of what the CAT does. And none of them are within 250 miles of here. And those folks are committed to other things right now.

Hahaha you have to love the keyboard warriors who think they know what the Army or USSS does daily. Same folks who hate on the police. First folks who call 9-1-1 on a dime and expect to be saved from every situation. Reading cherry-picked press reports about the USSS and forming opinions about the entirety of the organization is third grade stuff. Be better.

Shut the f up. The USSS is a joke world wide. If the president orders the US Military to provide protect it will. Oh and these are not one off reports this is the culture of the agencies. Other agencies laughs at the USSS. Remember when the drunk senior agents ran over a suspicious package at the White House. You can not make this sh#t up.

It is just a matter of time till a president is killed by someone because of the incompetency of the USSS. You really have to question the loyalty of the personnel when POTUS and VP do not trust them. POTUS and a sitting republicans VP take action that shows they do not believe the agency and personnel are loyal. Get in the car Mr VP your live is endangered….what does the VP say..no I will stay here because I do not trust you. You somehow think it is a functional agency?

Maybe the agents will be too hungover or still drunk while on duty to stop something or maybe they just do not care for the current president and look the other way? Just a note it is common to hear reports about hungover and still drunk agents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That tidbit about how pence would not get into the car on Jan 6th really stood out to me as a mature reasonably informed person. I can't recall coverage of any similar incidents........lack of trust in a SS security detail by the person being protected.

Does that happen?

I thought Pence wouldn’t get in the car because he assumed the SS would take him far away from the Capitol building for his own protection—but he needed to stay there to complete his constitutional duties. But maybe I have misunderstood this. Anyone know?

The point was...his concern was about the constitutional duties part...not the protection part.

Ever think that was the point of the violence? Get Pence out of the building, let Grassley handle it, and voila! coup d’etat!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That tidbit about how pence would not get into the car on Jan 6th really stood out to me as a mature reasonably informed person. I can't recall coverage of any similar incidents........lack of trust in a SS security detail by the person being protected.

Does that happen?

I thought Pence wouldn’t get in the car because he assumed the SS would take him far away from the Capitol building for his own protection—but he needed to stay there to complete his constitutional duties. But maybe I have misunderstood this. Anyone know?

The point was...his concern was about the constitutional duties part...not the protection part.

Ever think that was the point of the violence? Get Pence out of the building, let Grassley handle it, and voila! coup d’etat!

Obviously that was the point. What was the role of the secret service?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That tidbit about how pence would not get into the car on Jan 6th really stood out to me as a mature reasonably informed person. I can't recall coverage of any similar incidents........lack of trust in a SS security detail by the person being protected.

Does that happen?

I thought Pence wouldn’t get in the car because he assumed the SS would take him far away from the Capitol building for his own protection—but he needed to stay there to complete his constitutional duties. But maybe I have misunderstood this. Anyone know?

The point was...his concern was about the constitutional duties part...not the protection part.

Just saying that I don’t think there was necessarily a lack of trust on Pence’s part. Just an awareness that their duties conflicted with his duties at that particular moment. But again, maybe I have misunderstood this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fact that this conversation is even happening is destabilizing in itself—whether or not there is any THERE there. Extremely concerning.

How bullies have always conducted business: commit crimes and don’t let anyone talk about it.

You don’t want people to notice your sedition, don’t commit sedition and acts supporting sedition.

Excuse you. I’m just an average civilian aghast at what is happening in this country, and I know enough about failed states to know that a sign of autocracy is the loss of an independent presidential protection service. It’s very bad that trust in the institution is eroding. We don’t want a situation where very new president is raising their own private police force. It may be too late. It might not be too late. Depends on what kind of public accountability happens—which I am fully in support of.

Excuse yourself. You’re making excuses for obvious lawbreakers. You can’t say you fully support public accountability “depending on what kind” and tell people that the conversation in itself is “destabilizing.”

Something is wrong in the USSS.
1) Pence didn’t trust the USSS such that he refused to get in the car
2) Biden didn’t trust the USSS such that he requested agent switches
3) The USSS, or at least factions within, are in service to the fascists who want to overthrow the government and have deleted evidence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That tidbit about how pence would not get into the car on Jan 6th really stood out to me as a mature reasonably informed person. I can't recall coverage of any similar incidents........lack of trust in a SS security detail by the person being protected.

Does that happen?

I thought Pence wouldn’t get in the car because he assumed the SS would take him far away from the Capitol building for his own protection—but he needed to stay there to complete his constitutional duties. But maybe I have misunderstood this. Anyone know?

The point was...his concern was about the constitutional duties part...not the protection part.

Ever think that was the point of the violence? Get Pence out of the building, let Grassley handle it, and voila! coup d’etat!

Obviously that was the point. What was the role of the secret service?

To protect pence. They were doing their jobs, it was likely planned to happen just as it did, except Pence refused to budge. Called the bluff as it were. It IS shocking that more people didn’t die that day, almost like people were told to threaten without harming.

Unfortunately the USS is being thrown under the bus, probably by some of their own.