Abortion and religion

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not religious, no one in my family is religious, and abortion has never been about religion in my circles.

It's a question of life, individual rights and being protected as a human. We make those judgments at the end of life (such as for brain death) and we make them at the beginning as well.

Your religion has defined "beginning" for you. So it is about religion.

I have no religion. I do have science that looks at things like the development of the brain and organs.

If you use the religious definition, then...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not religious, no one in my family is religious, and abortion has never been about religion in my circles.

It's a question of life, individual rights and being protected as a human. We make those judgments at the end of life (such as for brain death) and we make them at the beginning as well.

Your religion has defined "beginning" for you. So it is about religion.

I have no religion. I do have science that looks at things like the development of the brain and organs.

Organs can be grown in labs. Are they human beings?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:you know what else? Unless you also oppose death penalty, I don't believe you care about "life"

Sure, you can attempt to justify it all you want with the "innocent life" bs, but it's hypocrisy and your God is judging you

Catholics oppose the death penalty, so no hypocrisy there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:christianity is the third biggest threat to this country after climate change and republicans. I find them particularly reprehensible and disgusting.

+1

Anyone trying to force their religious beliefs on me and my family - and my country - is a vile POS.

Christianity is not the threat, religious extremists are. Religious extremists from any religion are scary. Not all Christians are the same. If you find all Christians reprehensible and disgusting and not just the extremist, then you have a problem and should seek therapy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:christianity is the third biggest threat to this country after climate change and republicans. I find them particularly reprehensible and disgusting.

+1

Anyone trying to force their religious beliefs on me and my family - and my country - is a vile POS.

Christianity is not the threat, religious extremists are. Religious extremists from any religion are scary. Not all Christians are the same. If you find all Christians reprehensible and disgusting and not just the extremist, then you have a problem and should seek therapy.

I said "anyone trying to force their religious beliefs on me".

Why do you think that means "all Christians"?

[Anonymous]

So once Roe falls, could a group of Jewish people file a class action suit against Mississippi for religious discrimination? That the health and well-being of the mother cannot be superseded by a 8 week fetus per their religion, and therefore a law that goes against their religious beliefs and puts women’s health and week-being at risk is religious discrimination?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So once Roe falls, could a group of Jewish people file a class action suit against Mississippi for religious discrimination? That the health and well-being of the mother cannot be superseded by a 8 week fetus per their religion, and therefore a law that goes against their religious beliefs and puts women’s health and week-being at risk is religious discrimination?

I was wondering this same thing. It's oppression of others' religious beliefs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So once Roe falls, could a group of Jewish people file a class action suit against Mississippi for religious discrimination? That the health and well-being of the mother cannot be superseded by a 8 week fetus per their religion, and therefore a law that goes against their religious beliefs and puts women’s health and week-being at risk is religious discrimination?

I believe so. Long standing Talmudic readings stipulate that the woman's life takes precedence over the unborn fetus and that the fetus is not a "life" until the moment of birth.

However, a few politically conservative Orthodox groups have come out in favor of the Republicans' actions. But this really isn't a long-standing belief and is instead a craven political move.

[Anonymous]

There was a big rally on Tuesday: The Jewish Rally for Abortion Justice that covered multiple denominations. Even among the orthodox, abortion is understood to be between the woman and her doctor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So once Roe falls, could a group of Jewish people file a class action suit against Mississippi for religious discrimination? That the health and well-being of the mother cannot be superseded by a 8 week fetus per their religion, and therefore a law that goes against their religious beliefs and puts women’s health and week-being at risk is religious discrimination?

I believe so. Long standing Talmudic readings stipulate that the woman's life takes precedence over the unborn fetus and that the fetus is not a "life" until the moment of birth.

However, a few politically conservative Orthodox groups have come out in favor of the Republicans' actions. But this really isn't a long-standing belief and is instead a craven political move.

While I totally believe that what is described is unconstitutional, here’s the problem: who would ultimately hear such a case? Yes, the same Supreme Court that has acted unconstitutionally in imposing their religious beliefs on the rest of us. Sadly, we no longer have a Supreme Court that will uphold the rights of other religions and of those who are not wealthy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So once Roe falls, could a group of Jewish people file a class action suit against Mississippi for religious discrimination? That the health and well-being of the mother cannot be superseded by a 8 week fetus per their religion, and therefore a law that goes against their religious beliefs and puts women’s health and week-being at risk is religious discrimination?

I believe so. Long standing Talmudic readings stipulate that the woman's life takes precedence over the unborn fetus and that the fetus is not a "life" until the moment of birth.

However, a few politically conservative Orthodox groups have come out in favor of the Republicans' actions. But this really isn't a long-standing belief and is instead a craven political move.

While I totally believe that what is described is unconstitutional, here’s the problem: who would ultimately hear such a case? Yes, the same Supreme Court that has acted unconstitutionally in imposing their religious beliefs on the rest of us. Sadly, we no longer have a Supreme Court that will uphold the rights of other religions and of those who are not wealthy.

It would in fact go back to the Supreme Court.

But I say, force them to rule against the 1st Amendment rights of other religions in America. Put their hypocrisy and degenerate enslavement to radical Christianity in full view for everyone to see. Put them in the difficult position of having to effectively endorse a state religion.

Their legitimacy will fall faster and faster and their names will forever become dirty words in the annals of history.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So once Roe falls, could a group of Jewish people file a class action suit against Mississippi for religious discrimination? That the health and well-being of the mother cannot be superseded by a 8 week fetus per their religion, and therefore a law that goes against their religious beliefs and puts women’s health and week-being at risk is religious discrimination?

I believe so. Long standing Talmudic readings stipulate that the woman's life takes precedence over the unborn fetus and that the fetus is not a "life" until the moment of birth.

However, a few politically conservative Orthodox groups have come out in favor of the Republicans' actions. But this really isn't a long-standing belief and is instead a craven political move.

While I totally believe that what is described is unconstitutional, here’s the problem: who would ultimately hear such a case? Yes, the same Supreme Court that has acted unconstitutionally in imposing their religious beliefs on the rest of us. Sadly, we no longer have a Supreme Court that will uphold the rights of other religions and of those who are not wealthy.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So once Roe falls, could a group of Jewish people file a class action suit against Mississippi for religious discrimination? That the health and well-being of the mother cannot be superseded by a 8 week fetus per their religion, and therefore a law that goes against their religious beliefs and puts women’s health and week-being at risk is religious discrimination?

I believe so. Long standing Talmudic readings stipulate that the woman's life takes precedence over the unborn fetus and that the fetus is not a "life" until the moment of birth.

However, a few politically conservative Orthodox groups have come out in favor of the Republicans' actions. But this really isn't a long-standing belief and is instead a craven political move.

While I totally believe that what is described is unconstitutional, here’s the problem: who would ultimately hear such a case? Yes, the same Supreme Court that has acted unconstitutionally in imposing their religious beliefs on the rest of us. Sadly, we no longer have a Supreme Court that will uphold the rights of other religions and of those who are not wealthy.

The trick is even getting to SCOTUS. If you don't have deeply held religious beliefs about when life begins and the legality of abortion (most people trust science on this not religion) then I'm not sure how you fight against the Christian Right.

[Anonymous]

Any Christian who does not speak out against the extremism is guilty. Silence makes you complicit. Full stop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So once Roe falls, could a group of Jewish people file a class action suit against Mississippi for religious discrimination? That the health and well-being of the mother cannot be superseded by a 8 week fetus per their religion, and therefore a law that goes against their religious beliefs and puts women’s health and week-being at risk is religious discrimination?

I believe so. Long standing Talmudic readings stipulate that the woman's life takes precedence over the unborn fetus and that the fetus is not a "life" until the moment of birth.

However, a few politically conservative Orthodox groups have come out in favor of the Republicans' actions. But this really isn't a long-standing belief and is instead a craven political move.

While I totally believe that what is described is unconstitutional, here’s the problem: who would ultimately hear such a case? Yes, the same Supreme Court that has acted unconstitutionally in imposing their religious beliefs on the rest of us. Sadly, we no longer have a Supreme Court that will uphold the rights of other religions and of those who are not wealthy.

The trick is even getting to SCOTUS. If you don't have deeply held religious beliefs about when life begins and the legality of abortion (most people trust science on this not religion) then I'm not sure how you fight against the Christian Right.

Jews and Muslims actually do have long-standing and deeply-held beliefs about abortion that would not comply with a number of the state-level laws being passed by Republicans.